[Mod] The Coalition War (ENT Era)

[Majestic]

Sounds good so far. I noticed the mention of different style nacelles possibly appearing - any chance of evolution to jj-trek nacelles, given the mention of admiral archer in the movie?

No I will be keeping away from JJ Nacelles, for the simple reason this is set in 2159, and JJ Trek happens 100 years later and so there is plently of time to cycle through the different styles. I want this to be about the ENT era as I envisioned it without going to far away from the series. Basically my attempt at a season 5, 6 and 7

9000+ polys ?????

i thought it was funny

It's all cool, I'm slow.

Hehe:
Nice looking Daedalus there, and the stations are an excellent blend of styles .

Thanks Amateur, I am currently working on a small destroyer that is smaller than the Pioneer. Due to no ortho images, It's taking ages to do. If there were orthos I'd be long finished with this model.

I have liked all your Deadalus meshes. On the alternate necelle idea I kinda like the ones on Thomas Prembeltons new Moskova

Cool nacelles, however wouldn't fit for this mod. Would be outstanding for a alternative TOS mod set in the JJverse.

Gotta love the Daedalus, btw. I considered adding Mike's DoW Daedalus to the Wastelands fleet some time ago, but I pretty much dropped it later on. It fits into the ENT and TOS eras, but not anything past that. (The Olympic, though, is a different thing... but that one is a hospital ship...) IMO the TOS version definitely needs its deflector, right in front of the engineering section, but I'm not sure about the ENT version.

If I do add a saucer it won't be like my older TOS version, more like this:


Trying to keep the deflector more ENT like as a deflector like the Yorktown is too TOS like for this design.

 

[thunderfoot]

So when we gonna get to see some updated pics of this?

 

[Majestic]

So when we gonna get to see some updated pics of this?

Would when I am ready be an appropriate answer?

To be honest I haven't done enough at the moment to warrant or be noticeable enough to show any new images. I have been working on a new destroyer, the Sabre replacement. However after doing some work the I realised that the saucer shape was totally wrong, and so I will be re-starting. There are no ortho images of this design so I have to guess proportions and it really makes the modelling process take a lot longer. However for some other designs I want to do there are ortho images so those designs won't take too long.

I am still undecided with the deflector for the Daedalus and so I have decided not to progress on it until I decide where I plan on taking her. I also plan to rebuild the main hull using 24 slice cylinders, not to reduce poly count, but to make it match the sphere better. Thankfully that shouldn't take too long, probably about an hour.

I am hoping that by late this afternoon I may have at least one new design to post up images of for you all.

 

[Starfox1701]

Since most other ENT ships have them I would but make it inset on the front of the hull to match the original design. Maybe even have it open around the neck

 

[Majestic]

Thanks Starfox, I am still undecided with this design as it stands. I decided to take a break at modelling and do this:

Spoiler: UESPA

Taking a break from modelling I decided to do some 2D work. Here is the UESPA (United Earth Space Probe Agency) logo to match my previously made [highlight]Starfleet Command Logo[/highlight].

This is made for my mod/project entitled "The Coalition War", an alternative take on the Enterprise series of Star Trek, where the United Federation of Planets was never formed, due to a number of circumstances. In it's place the Interstellar Coalition, a trade and defence alliance of four major races reins instead. Each member governs their people as they see fit and have free trade agreements with their fellow members. Scientific and intelligence information is shared freely among members, and if one member goes to war or is attacked, other Coalition Members are required by law to render military assistance in the conflict. Each member world controls it's own fleet and has it's only military.

For Earth, Starfleet was formed, in a direct response to the threat first presented by the Xindi after it became obviously clear that the UESPA was barely able to complete it's Military Mission inside the expanse. So Starfleet became the official military of Earth, taking on the same role the United Earth Stellar Navy that was disbanded and merged with UESPA at the beginning of the 22nd century. Starfleet acquired most of it's personnel and equipment being sourced from UESPA, leaving the former a shadow of itself. Most of what was left for UESPA was a handful of exploitive scouts and scientific vessels with most including the Enterprise class now under Starfleet Control.

This logo is my take on the UESPA logo, two versions here, the first without the delta thingy, and the other with it. The delta was the hardest part and I still didn't get it quite right. I also wanted this to match the Starfleet Command logo, but appear less advanced. I think I managed to get a decent enough result. I will probably go back and re-do the delta down the road as I plan to add the logo to UESPA ships that will be in the mod.

 

[Hellkite]

Like the Second one but can you make the delta yellow to make it stand out more just a Idea

 

[Majestic]

I wanted to keep it red, for the simple reason is the logo was first designed in the 21st century and I want it to be seen as less advanced to the Starfleet logo.

 

[Starfox1701]

Second one but put a little satellite like voyager, pioneer or sputnik at the top end; you know a visual tip of the hat to the name "space probe"

 

[Hellkite]

this command patch is from Admiral Forrest uniform as Star Trek: Enterprise and predates the NX

so it would not be less less advanced if it had it

at any rate its your call my Friend

 

[Knight]

Some nice work here Maj

 

[Majestic]

Second one but put a little satellite like voyager, pioneer or sputnik at the top end; you know a visual tip of the hat to the name "space probe"

I may look at adding in a probe or something. Will have to see if I can find a decent one on google.

this command patch is from Admiral Forrest uniform as Star Trek: Enterprise and predates the NX

so it would not be less less advanced if it had it

at any rate its your call my Friend

Thanks for the feedback and suggestions, however I think I'll stick with the red it works for me.

Some nice work here Maj

Thanks mate.

Here is another:

Spoiler: UEFF

 

[Knight]

I like it
That Daedalus looks quite good, and I say this despite my dis-taste for the design overall

 

[Majestic]

Thanks Knight, glad you like her.

Also a little something I've been working on today, it's the Earth Scout. Still needs a great deal of work to get to my liking. I am even unsure if I will use her or not. I'll see how this progresses before I decide her ultimate fate.



Edit: A kitbash I did for some fun. Unsure whether I should use one of them or not. Recommendations?

 

[Adm_Z]

I really think that the one with 4 nacelles isn't bad at all. And, if you don't already have a pre-miranda variant, I would definitely suggest you use the one that most resembles it(its in the middle-ish I think)

In legacy, they use this ship as a scout. Maybe you could do something similar to it?

 

[Majestic]

For the scout, I have already modelled a variant of that design, it's a warp-in destroyed, packed to the rim of atomic missiles.

As for the kitbash, I am not sure if a four nacelle design would fit well in the ENT era, I myself also like it however I think it's more a TOS configuration. I do prefer the one with the nacelles over the top rather than the Miranda look a like. The latter is too much like the Coto in my opinion. However thanks for the suggestions, I really appreciate them.

 

[Adm_Z]

Ooh, sorry about those pics. I just found them on a google search.

I agree, the 4 nacelles one is very TOS. I am not a huge fan of the one with nacelles only on top, but only because of its simplicity. I suppose the one with them on bottom is barely different though.

Either way, great work. I know how hard it can be to make kitbashes that don't look ugly, and yours certainly don't.

 

[Majestic]

I agree, the 4 nacelles one is very TOS. I am not a huge fan of the one with nacelles only on top, but only because of its simplicity. I suppose the one with them on bottom is barely different though.

Either way, great work. I know how hard it can be to make kitbashes that don't look ugly, and yours certainly don't.

Thanks, it's also hard to flesh out a fleet in this era and actually fit rather than looking too advanced. It's very difficult and I have been doing through models left right and centre trying to find something that fits and something I can actually model. The amount of models I have been through is amazing. Hopefully I can get something concrete in the next week.

 

[kjc733]

I think that's precisely what irks me about the scout - it looks too modern. It has an embedded deflector array in the saucer and the way the saucer is arranged it looks (to me anyway) like it has a phaser strip.

That's not to say I don't like it, I think she's a nice little ship, but it doesn't seem to fit in.

 

[Terra_Inc]

I might be the only one, but I personally like the 4 nacelle one very much...

I can understand the scout seeming too modern, but that might just be the shape. I thought the same of the Pioneer (that is the large delta-shaped one, right?) when I saw it for the first time. The textures will probably help make it look entyer (I made that one up right now). It has my support.

 

[Dan1025]

I actually quite like the simple two-nacelles-over-the-hull version (very first ship on top left), looks like a quick and easy ship to build, and like it would make a good scout or patrol ship

 

[Majestic]

I think that's precisely what irks me about the scout - it looks too modern. It has an embedded deflector array in the saucer and the way the saucer is arranged it looks (to me anyway) like it has a phaser strip.

That's not to say I don't like it, I think she's a nice little ship, but it doesn't seem to fit in.

Yes finding a small ship to fit this role is extremely hard. I still haven't figured out a design. I too am of the opinion it isn't fitting how I wanted it to. I was going to model a John Eaves concept design, however I decided it looked too big for the role of a scout. So suggestions are always open, especially for the scout.

I might be the only one, but I personally like the 4 nacelle one very much...

I too like it, however I feel it's too TOS or latter. I might go back and have another shot at the design and see if I get get it to look more ENT era. As right now, I could slap on a TOS texture and it would fit in perfectly in TOS era, something I am not really fond of.

I can understand the scout seeming too modern, but that might just be the shape. I thought the same of the Pioneer (that is the large delta-shaped one, right?) when I saw it for the first time. The textures will probably help make it look entyer (I made that one up right now). It has my support.

Yes the Pioneer is my favourite design actually this far. Textures do make or break a design. I still have the smaller destroyer to do. I might see about doing that later today. my last attempt on it was less that good.

I actually quite like the simple two-nacelles-over-the-hull version (very first ship on top left), looks like a quick and easy ship to build, and like it would make a good scout or patrol ship

Thanks Dan, I had her in mind for a support ship of some kind.

EDIT:

Well I took another stab at a scout this time a completely different design. While I generally like the design, it still doesn't work as a scout for me. I'll probably clean the mesh up and re-purpose it as a support cruiser or a heavy destroyer or something. I'll see what else I can come up with.



I am now working on another scout design, again if it doesn't work I already have plans to make it a Warp-in unit. Waste nothing I say.

 

[EAS_Intrepid]

I somewhat like all the designs, but I'd you this one as a scout.
Don't worry about similarities with the Coto class, because if an engine configuration somehow worked with one design, why not re-use it?
If the scout was introduced before the Coto, the engine block might be a very successful design, so the engineers decided to use it on the Coto as well. Which also means, that engineering crews might already have some experience with the design.
Several Russian subs use very similiar reactor and drive units, since the crews have already gotten used to previous incarnations. I assume it ist he same with US subs as well.

 

[Majestic]

I somewhat like all the designs, but I'd you this one as a scout.
Don't worry about similarities with the Coto class, because if an engine configuration somehow worked with one design, why not re-use it?
If the scout was introduced before the Coto, the engine block might be a very successful design, so the engineers decided to use it on the Coto as well. Which also means, that engineering crews might already have some experience with the design.
Several Russian subs use very similiar reactor and drive units, since the crews have already gotten used to previous incarnations. I assume it ist he same with US subs as well.

Thank you Intrepid, I kind of really like this design and as such I am thinking of making it a larger design, perhaps a test=bed of the technology first introduced into the Enterprise class, a proof of concept that used some easy to construct parts and some existing ones like a Neptune saucer. This was all before they had decided on a final design, hence the Coto/Konovalov rear end. After the technology was proven to work the design was completed and was the only one of her kind. But wars do change things, so I can either have her as a limited warp-in or as a buildable design. I want to see what else I can come up with before I decide what to do, but I am certainly going to be using her in some capacity.

Here is also something new, something I have been working on the past two days. Unfortunately I haven't had much time at all so she isn't near complete yet. I still have the whole rear end to do plus a munch or cleaning up to do. This is my latest attempt at a scout, again if she doesn't work out, I will re-purpose her as a warp-in unit most likely.

 

[Adm_Z]

I like that. It looks like a good baseline unit.

 

[thunderfoot]

The stuff in here is almost enough to make me reinstall Fleet Ops.

 

[Adm_Z]

Almost? Well, once maj and I finish our mods, I think I can guarentee you will go from "almost" to already done. I sure am looking forward to Maj's releases.

 

[Majestic]

Thank you both, I am glad to see what I am working on is liked by my fellow peers.

I am still concepting ideas and designs for the remaining designs, stations and ships. The good thing about all this is I am coming up with designs I normally wouldn't and while they might not work for what I originally had planned, they can be re-used and modified slightly and used for another need. And if all else fails, I can always add them to the warp-in list.

I am going to actually try and give Hellkite's design a shot today if I get the time.

 

[thunderfoot]

Well if I do reinstall it, gonna take a very long LAN cable to reach from Mississippi all the way to New South Wales, lmao!

 

[Majestic]

It would put my 30 meter cable to shame that's for sure!

Here is a design I was working on the other day but decided not to use, it was one of the concepts for the scout.

 

[Dan1025]

I really like that design, though I agree it doesn't quite fit the scout image. Makes me think of the Olympic (USS Pasteur from TNG: All Good Things) for some reason lol.

What's her new role gonna be?