Star Trek: Picard

[TUB_Husker]

Spoiler: Itcheb

I believe, the death of Itcheb is the middle finger for Manu Intiraymi, because he attacked the guy from Disco, I mean Anthony Rapp and his trouble with Kevin Spacey. And damn Twitter, if you write anything, like a Opinion, you can be sure it gives a Shitstorm. He makes a Mistake, sure, he apologize for it, cool, that's more than other people do. If my hypothesis is correct, it is petty and unprofessional. It would suit to the authors.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

Spoiler: Icheb

I believe, the death of Itcheb is the middle finger for Manu Intiraymi, because he attacked the guy from Disco, I mean Anthony Rapp and his trouble with Kevin Spacey. And damn Twitter, if you write anything, like a Opinion, you can be sure it gives a Shitstorm. He makes a Mistake, sure, he apologize for it, cool, that's more than other people do. If my hypothesis is correct, it is petty and unprofessional. It would suit to the authors.

I didn't pay much attention to the drama around that, and didn't realize that had happened. Makes much more sense now, if that was the motivation, but it would be a real shame that the writers have gotten that petty.

Spoiler: Episode 8

So....episode 8....

Just watched it so I'm still processing everything. Oh being half-Romulan makes more sense (Wheaton even referred to her as a Romulan admiral in the interview he did with Frakes and Spiner in The Ready Room).

I hate the idea that the Borg could not deal with whatever the Romulan archaeologist had learned. Somehow I think the Borg would have assimilated more trauma before that.

This episode does create a few more timey-wimey wrinkles. The memory sequence shows both Data and Airiam, though that was supposedly 200,000 years before the present. I'm both afraid and optimistic that maybe Discovery will jump back to her proper time, provided the writers learn how to respect canon. It could also make the line from "Calypso" about the crew ordering Discovery to "stay" for 1000 years make more sense.

If I remember correctly, the 200,000 years timeframe matches up to the Iconians.....

The Borg have been established as being able to survive a vacuum. Jettisoning them would keep them away from the ship, but surely the Cube/Artifact still has transporters.

Not sure about the idea of suddenly adding a third sister, and adding her as a backstory character.

Raffi makes my teeth itch. Not sure why.

I liked the subtle reference to Batanides.

Spoiler: More Episode 8

And the highest concentration of F-bombs in an episode to-date...

 

[Hellkite]

Spoiler

Long live the Queen

 

[Majestic]

Spoiler

Long live the Queen
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Wished she had stayed that way for a while tbh

 

[Candice Greene]

Your welcome.

But you do seem to tap out a lot ... Young Lady Green

Since 2005, and still going. By the way, that is Ms. Greene

 

[Hellkite]

As you wish Ms. Greene.

 

[TUB_Husker]

Oh man, my brain, my brain, runs out of my ears! Well, a Girlfriend would say, it are just a few drops . What actually shocks me rather is not this "work" but the assessment of the audience, that this is horny Dren. I never would have thought that a series at Arrow, Supergirl level could be praised to the sky (sorry, I am a little human). Arrow, Supergirl, I might be wrong because Star Trek now has zero, absolutely no ideas of its own. So now Battlestar and Mass Effect.

Spoiler: Witch Order

So the witch order meets a planet in the middle (HAHAHAHAHA, you brain-burned authors, once heard about Kepler's orbits) of an eightfold star system, which is once again totally stupidly implemented, too dense, the main thing looks great, no it doesn't, it looks like a new age, esoteric poster.
As close as the suns were shown in Peekard, they would attract each other quite strongly, merge with one another, maybe explode / implode, since the balance between radiation pressure and gravity no longer works.

Spoiler: ancient civilization

An ancient civilization builds this memorial and memorial and it is only a stone desert, where are the temples, ruins, something that testifies that there were not just a few author microbes on the way. No nothing, a green something, the elven sun well or something. Then the witches touch him and turn around because of a few ugly pictures. Ten years ago I still had a TV and on this I saw far worse things in Free TV. If one had at least suggested that this thing also transmitted emotions of the builders, i.e. fear, resignation considering the extinction, I would understand the scene, but it was just embarrassing.

Spoiler: cynic

Great Star Trek with its humanistic ideals and I think this also includes the presumption of innocence, nope it is celebrated Carassian law. I first use phasers to target people I don't know and assume things that can still be proven. Chabon no you are a cynic and I will certainly not read anything from you, that may be your belief that people are like that, but it is not mine and because I am not an ass with God complex, something excellent, many people certainly share my views of the world. Raffi had to do with Rios in the past, Rios used penis with Tilly 2.0, accused Raffi of espionage, and then finally collapsed to be built up by Raffi!?? Who writes something like that? No Facts, the reason for all, so far, is gossip and unproven Donald Trump Style "Alternative Facts". Great Star Trek

Spoiler: narcissist and natural probabilitie

And how cool, how everything is connected, Dren on probabilities and plausibility that the Rios narcissist (all holograms look like him) happened to have something to do with the androids, uh, wait, handkerchief, there is just a little more brain dripping out my ear. Oh Rios is cool, no he has psycho problem.

Spoiler: Forget a few Words to Romulans and Borg thing

Oh, I still remember about this aunt from Cercei, who said they were the only Romulans to be assimilated. Bullshit, how about the outposts along the neutral zone that disappeared on both the Romulan and federal sides, uh. In two weeks, Kurtzman, Chabon say: Those on the Romulan side were operated with androids ?!

Spoiler: murder and manslaughter

Murder and homicide, I'm fed up with something like that. It is okay if the villain is portrayed as a driven person, if that is how he is portrayed. But here is murdered and beaten to death, I can't imagine a reasonable reason. If murder is mistaken for a motive, I can't do anything with it.

Spoiler: coincidences

Haha, there we have the mega airlocks, all Borg gone, Seven has pulled off her light show for free. The Romuladen give up the cube, uh really now, just like that and fly, with ugly redesign Dren to the android planets. And Narek, oh what coincidences, is waiting in front of the right transwareportal node.

Spoiler: Witch Order 2

I can think of murder and manslaughter, what's the point?
The witch order does all the idiotic Dren because they think life itself is about to be wiped out. So they do the nonsense to save lives, protect them, but equally have absolutely no respect for life.
Uh never mind

Spoiler: Witch Order 3

What is still going through my head is this nonsense with these witch orders. So, they think that hell is coming and instead of communicating this threat: Hey folks we have discovered something and this scares us a lot, you could have a look at it and tell us your opinion about it. Could we have a chat about what we do with this information. No, they found a secret order. Argh

Spoiler: Next Epsiode

Pushing the soaked bun through the ear into the head to feign minimal cognitive skills, to guess the plot of the next episodes: No, I can't write that.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

Spoiler: Episode 9

The first part of a two parter that does not have me looking forward to the second half. It looks to me like they're going to transfer Picard into an android body. I had a feeling, when I found out the series was about Picard and androids, this would be the final result. It's...disappointing.

It's also frustrating that the imagery of Data and Airiam in the message from the synth jihad appears to be little more than fan service. I was hoping that would introduce a time-travel wrinkle, but it looks like that's a no.

Surprise! Data has a biological brother! The writers' creativity is overwhelming... /s

I'm disappointed we haven't heard anything about the civilians working aboard the Artifact that weren't xB's. Unless they were all sucked out of the cube, but since there are a lot of xB's still left, I'd think some of the personnel would be too.

And finally, we get to the "radicalization of Islam is America's fault" part of the story arc. Replace Islam with AI and America with UFP. Modern politics were gonna be shoved into this series somewhere and I guess we've found it now. Since we're only in part 1 of this finale, it may be like the Disco S1 finale where the final result is a semi-centrist story arc where we still try to maintain the idea that conservative viewpoints are wrong but we don't become extremists in the mean time.

And really, where was this jihad when the Exocomps were made? What about Wesley's nanites? EMH's? Any of the multitude of AI's in TOS?

The only thing I can do is wait a week to see what happens, even though I don't think I'll like the result.

 

[TUB_Husker]

oh sounds bad

 

[Hellkite]

Spoiler

I did not see it that way at all " The radicalization of Islam is America's fault" that you see dvatreknerd

With that said that is a issue I've had a hand in real life for most of my long service life. There is blame to go around with a good amount "Self radicalization" and reconcilable difference of
culture .

But that a whole other thread / Bellum Sacrum that I do not wish to start here and will not allow to start here



I saw it as " Justification of one form of life over another's " Which has who has the right to survive..
dose one take precedence over the other ...

The answer is "No " by the way although it a harder path and in the words of @Terra_Inc 's countryman
​

" Nie wieder "
​

But with that this Ep lays at crucible some up so well in the flowing

“If you prick us, do we not bleed? if you tickle us, do we not laugh? if you poison us, do we not die? and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?". - (Act III, scene I).”

~ Shylock ― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice

 

[Blake00]

Probably noticed I haven't posted here since I blew up a bit over Ep5 haha (although I see you guys have kept things going on without me thankfully haha). I have kept watching the show though but was less invested in it to continue posting my episode round ups. I said after ep 5 that they'd really need some good eps to undo the damage that did, so...

Here's my thoughts on eps 6-9..

Spoiler

They sort of did as Ep6 was really good. I love any story line that deals with Picard's trauma from the Borg, eg some my favourite powerful moments in classic Trek include Picard braking down in front of his brother at the chateau after Best of Both Worlds and Picard loosing it and smashing the ship glass case in First Contact. THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE! So that moment when he saw his own face as locutus and his reaction was cool. Seeing him on the cube and the way the ex-Bs reacted to him was interesting too. I'm glad Soji got activated as I was getting a bit over the innocent girl on the cube with her cool badass lying boyfriend storyline. The queens chamber was cool and I liked the nod of the head to Voyagers Sikarians and the Borg using their teleporter tech after assimilation.

Ep7 was enjoyable due to us getting some nice fan service and seeing some beloved characters again, but some of those annoying things started to creep back in again. Troy & Riker lost a child due to a reason that just seems so silly.. a disease that is only cured by taking stuff from an android brain.. give me a break.. and once again WHY DOES EVERY SINGLE FRIGGIN PERSON IN THIS SHOW HAVE TO BE MESSED UP FROM TRAUMA??? why can't anyone at all be okay lol. I'm sick to death of it. People loved Star Trek because it painted a picture of this near perfect Utopian human future where greed, money, racism, poverty, addiction and all the other nasty stuff was either eliminated or barely there and therefore was usually projected onto the alien races, this giving people hope for the future and some nice escapism from all the news that tell us we're gonna destroy ourselves. However these writers seem to be intent on bringing the misery of their own lives into Star Trek making it not really escapism at all, now its just what we see on the news and todays flawed humans but with spaceships lol. Don't get me wrong, I love my dystopian dark future shows too but as for Star Trek unless its an alternate universe than I dont like them screwing up the prime timeline and characters we know and love. and don't even get me started on the smoking addiction BS.. I'll just leave this here:

Also clearly Kurtzman seems to have forgot Inner Light where Picard raised an entire family but oh now apparently now he knows nothing about teenagers so he gets schooled by Riker & Troi for it.. Urgh..

Oh and surprise surprise another old character has bought it.. but that's okay.. we've got these great new ones to replace them so who cares lol. The fact I just struggle to remember the names of the new characters really does show how great they are lol. RIP Hugh. Also wtf.. she's a evil lady pretty much killing everyone but she won't touch Hugh because he's a federation citizen. He helped Picard escape but she still has to hear him say that he's not on her side before she can kill him.. ugh come on..

Anyway on to episode 8 and its okay I guess.. but still some annoying stuff.. our Vulcan commodore is apparently half Romulan which I guess explain the sunglasses gaffe a few episodes back as vulcans don't need them, although clearly she has retained her Vulcan ability to mind meld as I've never seen a Romulan do that. The mind meld is what made Dr Death kill her lover and act all weird for ages.. but now she's fine and won't hurt anyone cause she and Soji talked about mucus lol. We see the source of the vision is from an alien artifact and we get further explanation on the main plot. Action Jackson 7 of 9 returns and kicks some more ass. She takes control of the cube which was kind of cool although apparently she doesn't have control of the airlocks and the Romulans do lol, plus apparently the Romulans can just stand there on a balcony and watch just fine (It'd like Pike watching the torpedo explode 2 meters away via a glass window all over again, or Spock watching Vulcan go into a black hole on a another planet with a thick cloudy sky lol). And somehow Borg are useless in a vacuum despite us seeing them operate in space just fine in First Contact although I guess it was more the venting that got them as Voyager vented a few Borg into space back in the day too. Anyway not much else to say about this ep as it was mostly plot moving and setup for final eps.

So I've just done Ep9.. yeah hmm.. I feel like I should have felt more and connected more with this episode but just didn't.. back in my first comments I predicted that there was someone else behind these androids and it wasn't just Bruce Maddox and I was right. I was just wrong about who it was lol. I predicted Lore, but it turns out there's another generation of Soong, another brother of sorts to Data. When Dr Soong Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr whatever (remember there was the one in the eugenics wars ep of Enterpise too haha) walked out the music didn't seem to change much, it was very fast, and he just took off into dialogue straight away.. the whole delivery felt wrong.. I should have been like WOOOOOWWW.. but instead I was like.. oh.. okay.. cool I guess.. as it was nice to see Brent back.

Then something really really stupid happened.. Soji's mum or whatever you wanna call her, an earlier android model and seemingly some sort of leader there has somehow taught herself to do Vulcan mind melds.. because you know she likes Vulcans n stuff. Yes I kid you not.. an android that just magically learned telepathy because she likes the aliens that can do them. Are you freakin kidding me???.. stupid f****** bloody writers.. omg!! I mean Data did a vulcan neck pinch in TNG but that was a nerve pinch that presumably just requires a lot of strength hence why no one else ever did it. But android learning an alien races telepathy as a hobby???.. arrggghhhhh

Anyway she melds and sees the vision.. now she's corrupted by it too.. possibly kills that chick and frees (all sexually lol) Nerek or whatever the hell his name is and is gonna 'ET call home' and bring an android alien invasion exterminate everyone thing to stop the massive Romulan warbird extermination fleet that is somehow just out there despite the fact that most of the romulan survivors seem to be refugees living in squalor camps and no one knew about the Zhat Vash. But hey maybe its the surviving romulan fleet being manipulated by the Zhat Vash. I don't know.. we see the commodore has apparently left her rather important Federation position and is now commanding an entire romulan fleet.. bit of a jump but yeah sure.. whatever..

Oh and how could I forget that they somehow grew giant flowers that can fly through space and drag down spaceships and borg cubes.. giant flowers bigger than cities and that fly into space.. grown by maddox in his lab.. while one of his android daughters was busy taking up Vulcan telepathy as a hobby..

It really is just like the new star wars films.. why do writers these days treat us with no respect and think that we're so stupid that we'll follow anything.. sometimes its so dark you think it's not suitable for children (eg Icheb eyeball rip) then other times like this where we're expected to take giant leaps of faith over plot holes, technical gaffes and bad writing like a child would..

Thanks to covid-19 the Melbourne Formula 1 race was cancelled and in the giant slots that were allocated to what would have been the tv race coverage they filled with old episodes of TNG, VOY and even some TOS.. so I thought why not and sat there watching them.. and my god.. the universe.. and the writing.. there's just so much more intelligence behind them..

We live in an age where people that grew up watching these scifi shows and films is now old enough to get into hollywood and create their own spin offs, remakes and sequels to these great old shows. All they had to do was bring back the same quality of writing and acting and we'd be living in a golden age. However instead of feeling like I'm watching actual sequels I just feel like I'm just watching fanboy films/eps that are filmed on hollywood sets with big budgets instead of Dad's shed with some toilet paper rolls, mops and bed sheets for props lol.

Anyway.. I seemed to be more relieved that there's one episode to go in Picard than I am excited to see what happens next with the story. Sort of just want it to be over so I can move on again. I didn't even feel that way about Disco (well maybe a bit in season 1 lol but not season 2). To feel that way about a Star Trek show really sucks.. especially as normally I'm the super tolerant scifi obsessed guy defending stuff like this to the haters.. yet here I am becoming one.. but a couple of threads keep my interest still to see this thing out and probably watch future seasons too lol.

Dr death is helping Dr Soong Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr whatever with that Golum so maybe it will be Data. I just hope I.. feel something.. when he appears cause that's meant to be the pay off for all this surely lol.. Apparently this neuron thread thing stuff talked about back in ep2 means some of data's memories can be restored but some memories would not really be him would it. So it makes me think how on earth can these writers really bring him (the full Data we know and love) back and can they do it in a way that isn't stupid lol. Which then makes me think maybe they won't bring him back and this is as good as it gets lol.. but hey todays writers love recycling old stories and rearranging them (ST Into Darkness lol) so if Soji's evil mum can mind meld then why not just do a Star Trek 3 and mind meld Data backed up memories out of B4 and into a new body.. I might even tolerate that nonsense if it leads to datas return lol.. but plugging in a usb cable like Data did in Nemesis seems like a better way haha.. hell maybe that's what they're gonna do haha.. i dunno lol..

Will also be interesting to see how Picards brain disorder is dealt with too.

Oh and one of my mates is convinced that Picard is an android because you see him being 'put together' in the show's intro, so he's counting down to the 'big reveal' lol. We all laughed at him but hell with this show any crazy cr*p is possible haha. So I dunno about that theory but the convo between Dr death and Dr Soong Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr whatever about transferring human consciousness across into androids (like the actual Dr Soong already did with Data's mother, although the writers probably don't remember that lol) being close plants an interesting seed on this subject that I wonder what it will lead to (otherwise why did that scene happen?). Eg Picard is prob not an (failing) android now but maybe they'll stick him into one before his poor human brain gives out haha.

Either way.. weeks ago I was telling you guys that I liked the show but that I was still needing to see more to really decide. Well now I've seen like 90% of the show and I can say I don't love it, I don't hate it, it has bits I like, it has bits that annoy me, so I'm just somewhere in between all that sticking with it to see what happens with Data and & Picard.

 

[TUB_Husker]

Spoiler: Space Flowers

Space Flowers, ok I like them, because of my faible for Astrobiology. Nature is strange, why not.

Spoiler: Dr. Moreau

Another Soong, sorry nope, that was just flatter than flat.

Spoiler: Mass Effect

No own Ideas, it is Mass Effect: Jake Lewis Peekard. Now we have a Synthetic super civilization, like the Reaper, but in a inverted way. Funny, as the Cube leaves the Transwarp tunnel, he makes sounds like a Reaper. And now I know the Sirena match more with Mass Effect

Spoiler: Extremism is modern

What are this for decisions????
Hold back, think first, no. We have celebrations of prejudice here. The only enemy the androids have is primarily this stupid secret society. The Result is, all biology is Dren, blablabla, the answer is Extermination, WTF!
As a person, I know the danger that you can be eaten by wild animals. But just because of that killing all the wild animals is totally exaggerated and that's episode 9 at the end. There is nothing that is common sense, it is just totally exaggerated.
Allways this Dren extreme, implausible behavier. And the really Result is, this Androids at the End aren't better than the Datsch Watsch Final Witch Order. It's pointless.

Spoiler: to die

Ok it seems Picard die, but with this android Gollum made by Soong, I think Picard come back as a Android. With this story idea I have not a problem, but the way to this, is more than bumby. The Writers aren't good.

I have nothing against stories with AI, androids, etc., I would just like to see an honest discussion of this topic. No, everything in Star Trek Jake Lewis Peekard is striking and stupid, no deep thoughts.

Can it just be that the universe is just like that, I mean there is a self-organization principle: energy forms into matter , Matter forms structures, structures form more complex structures and in the end there is the brain. The brain snubs information into new information and this information leads to artificial intelligence etc. and therefore it could not be easy to call it simply evolution.

 

[Majestic]

Probably noticed I haven't posted here since I blew up a bit over Ep5 haha (although I see you guys have kept things going on without me thankfully haha). I have kept watching the show though but was less invested in it to continue posting my episode round ups. I said after ep 5 that they'd really need some good eps to undo the damage that did, so...

Here's my thoughts on eps 6-9..

Spoiler

They sort of did as Ep6 was really good. I love any story line that deals with Picard's trauma from the Borg, eg some my favourite powerful moments in classic Trek include Picard braking down in front of his brother at the chateau after Best of Both Worlds and Picard loosing it and smashing the ship glass case in First Contact. THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE! So that moment when he saw his own face as locutus and his reaction was cool. Seeing him on the cube and the way the ex-Bs reacted to him was interesting too. I'm glad Soji got activated as I was getting a bit over the innocent girl on the cube with her cool badass lying boyfriend storyline. The queens chamber was cool and I liked the nod of the head to Voyagers Sikarians and the Borg using their teleporter tech after assimilation.

Ep7 was enjoyable due to us getting some nice fan service and seeing some beloved characters again, but some of those annoying things started to creep back in again. Troy & Riker lost a child due to a reason that just seems so silly.. a disease that is only cured by taking stuff from an android brain.. give me a break.. and once again WHY DOES EVERY SINGLE FRIGGIN PERSON IN THIS SHOW HAVE TO BE MESSED UP FROM TRAUMA??? why can't anyone at all be okay lol. I'm sick to death of it. People loved Star Trek because it painted a picture of this near perfect Utopian human future where greed, money, racism, poverty, addiction and all the other nasty stuff was either eliminated or barely there and therefore was usually projected onto the alien races, this giving people hope for the future and some nice escapism from all the news that tell us we're gonna destroy ourselves. However these writers seem to be intent on bringing the misery of their own lives into Star Trek making it not really escapism at all, now its just what we see on the news and todays flawed humans but with spaceships lol. Don't get me wrong, I love my dystopian dark future shows too but as for Star Trek unless its an alternate universe than I dont like them screwing up the prime timeline and characters we know and love. and don't even get me started on the smoking addiction BS.. I'll just leave this here:

Also clearly Kurtzman seems to have forgot Inner Light where Picard raised an entire family but oh now apparently now he knows nothing about teenagers so he gets schooled by Riker & Troi for it.. Urgh..

Oh and surprise surprise another old character has bought it.. but that's okay.. we've got these great new ones to replace them so who cares lol. The fact I just struggle to remember the names of the new characters really does show how great they are lol. RIP Hugh. Also wtf.. she's a evil lady pretty much killing everyone but she won't touch Hugh because he's a federation citizen. He helped Picard escape but she still has to hear him say that he's not on her side before she can kill him.. ugh come on..

Anyway on to episode 8 and its okay I guess.. but still some annoying stuff.. our Vulcan commodore is apparently half Romulan which I guess explain the sunglasses gaffe a few episodes back as vulcans don't need them, although clearly she has retained her Vulcan ability to mind meld as I've never seen a Romulan do that. The mind meld is what made Dr Death kill her lover and act all weird for ages.. but now she's fine and won't hurt anyone cause she and Soji talked about mucus lol. We see the source of the vision is from an alien artifact and we get further explanation on the main plot. Action Jackson 7 of 9 returns and kicks some more ass. She takes control of the cube which was kind of cool although apparently she doesn't have control of the airlocks and the Romulans do lol, plus apparently the Romulans can just stand there on a balcony and watch just fine (It'd like Pike watching the torpedo explode 2 meters away via a glass window all over again, or Spock watching Vulcan go into a black hole on a another planet with a thick cloudy sky lol). And somehow Borg are useless in a vacuum despite us seeing them operate in space just fine in First Contact although I guess it was more the venting that got them as Voyager vented a few Borg into space back in the day too. Anyway not much else to say about this ep as it was mostly plot moving and setup for final eps.

So I've just done Ep9.. yeah hmm.. I feel like I should have felt more and connected more with this episode but just didn't.. back in my first comments I predicted that there was someone else behind these androids and it wasn't just Bruce Maddox and I was right. I was just wrong about who it was lol. I predicted Lore, but it turns out there's another generation of Soong, another brother of sorts to Data. When Dr Soong Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr whatever (remember there was the one in the eugenics wars ep of Enterpise too haha) walked out the music didn't seem to change much, it was very fast, and he just took off into dialogue straight away.. the whole delivery felt wrong.. I should have been like WOOOOOWWW.. but instead I was like.. oh.. okay.. cool I guess.. as it was nice to see Brent back.

Then something really really stupid happened.. Soji's mum or whatever you wanna call her, an earlier android model and seemingly some sort of leader there has somehow taught herself to do Vulcan mind melds.. because you know she likes Vulcans n stuff. Yes I kid you not.. an android that just magically learned telepathy because she likes the aliens that can do them. Are you freakin kidding me???.. stupid f****** bloody writers.. omg!! I mean Data did a vulcan neck pinch in TNG but that was a nerve pinch that presumably just requires a lot of strength hence why no one else ever did it. But android learning an alien races telepathy as a hobby???.. arrggghhhhh

Anyway she melds and sees the vision.. now she's corrupted by it too.. possibly kills that chick and frees (all sexually lol) Nerek or whatever the hell his name is and is gonna 'ET call home' and bring an android alien invasion exterminate everyone thing to stop the massive Romulan warbird extermination fleet that is somehow just out there despite the fact that most of the romulan survivors seem to be refugees living in squalor camps and no one knew about the Zhat Vash. But hey maybe its the surviving romulan fleet being manipulated by the Zhat Vash. I don't know.. we see the commodore has apparently left her rather important Federation position and is now commanding an entire romulan fleet.. bit of a jump but yeah sure.. whatever..

Oh and how could I forget that they somehow grew giant flowers that can fly through space and drag down spaceships and borg cubes.. giant flowers bigger than cities and that fly into space.. grown by maddox in his lab.. while one of his android daughters was busy taking up Vulcan telepathy as a hobby..

It really is just like the new star wars films.. why do writers these days treat us with no respect and think that we're so stupid that we'll follow anything.. sometimes its so dark you think it's not suitable for children (eg Icheb eyeball rip) then other times like this where we're expected to take giant leaps of faith over plot holes, technical gaffes and bad writing like a child would..

Thanks to covid-19 the Melbourne Formula 1 race was cancelled and in the giant slots that were allocated to what would have been the tv race coverage they filled with old episodes of TNG, VOY and even some TOS.. so I thought why not and sat there watching them.. and my god.. the universe.. and the writing.. there's just so much more intelligence behind them..

We live in an age where people that grew up watching these scifi shows and films is now old enough to get into hollywood and create their own spin offs, remakes and sequels to these great old shows. All they had to do was bring back the same quality of writing and acting and we'd be living in a golden age. However instead of feeling like I'm watching actual sequels I just feel like I'm just watching fanboy films/eps that are filmed on hollywood sets with big budgets instead of Dad's shed with some toilet paper rolls, mops and bed sheets for props lol.

Anyway.. I seemed to be more relieved that there's one episode to go in Picard than I am excited to see what happens next with the story. Sort of just want it to be over so I can move on again. I didn't even feel that way about Disco (well maybe a bit in season 1 lol but not season 2). To feel that way about a Star Trek show really sucks.. especially as normally I'm the super tolerant scifi obsessed guy defending stuff like this to the haters.. yet here I am becoming one.. but a couple of threads keep my interest still to see this thing out and probably watch future seasons too lol.

Dr death is helping Dr Soong Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr whatever with that Golum so maybe it will be Data. I just hope I.. feel something.. when he appears cause that's meant to be the pay off for all this surely lol.. Apparently this neuron thread thing stuff talked about back in ep2 means some of data's memories can be restored but some memories would not really be him would it. So it makes me think how on earth can these writers really bring him (the full Data we know and love) back and can they do it in a way that isn't stupid lol. Which then makes me think maybe they won't bring him back and this is as good as it gets lol.. but hey todays writers love recycling old stories and rearranging them (ST Into Darkness lol) so if Soji's evil mum can mind meld then why not just do a Star Trek 3 and mind meld Data backed up memories out of B4 and into a new body.. I might even tolerate that nonsense if it leads to datas return lol.. but plugging in a usb cable like Data did in Nemesis seems like a better way haha.. hell maybe that's what they're gonna do haha.. i dunno lol..

Will also be interesting to see how Picards brain disorder is dealt with too.

Oh and one of my mates is convinced that Picard is an android because you see him being 'put together' in the show's intro, so he's counting down to the 'big reveal' lol. We all laughed at him but hell with this show any crazy cr*p is possible haha. So I dunno about that theory but the convo between Dr death and Dr Soong Jr Jr Jr Jr Jr whatever about transferring human consciousness across into androids (like the actual Dr Soong already did with Data's mother, although the writers probably don't remember that lol) being close plants an interesting seed on this subject that I wonder what it will lead to (otherwise why did that scene happen?). Eg Picard is prob not an (failing) android now but maybe they'll stick him into one before his poor human brain gives out haha.

Either way.. weeks ago I was telling you guys that I liked the show but that I was still needing to see more to really decide. Well now I've seen like 90% of the show and I can say I don't love it, I don't hate it, it has bits I like, it has bits that annoy me, so I'm just somewhere in between all that sticking with it to see what happens with Data and & Picard.

Thank you, saves me having to write this I agree with everything you said. I think I'll be sticking to the novels for Trek and other scifi like the Expanse, Lost in Space etc for decent modern scifi as Trek has really dropped the ball with Picard.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

Spoiler: Episode 10/finale

So many things. Most of them wrong.

Magic device that can repair (or do) anything if you can imagine it? Sonic screwdriver much?

Romulan fleet is mostly dull (only two designs, and I did like both, but still). I did like that when one warbird was destroyed you saw it's "wing" wobble, as I would suspect a craft would in real life.

The Federation fleet: I like the ship design (mostly). It looks like it was based on concept art from Perpetual's STO, though I'm not entirely happy about the implementation. And really, ONLY ONE SHIP DESIGN?!? The stand-off scene turned boring that way.

Putting Riker back in command was a nice touch. Should have been the Titan instead of the Zheng He.

Then Picard dies. Saw this coming. Everyone starts mourning him...only for him to reappear in a gray simulation with none other than...Data. You think "Yes! Data's back!"....only for the writers to kill him again... Then again, this is somewhat similar to bringing Yar back to just to kill her off again in a more respectful way, and I think that was the attempt here with Data.

Unanswered questions: what happened to the researchers on the Cube? What happened to Aunty Zhat Vash? What happened to Narek? Why did the plan for Jurati to turn herself in to the authorities evaporate? What happened to the scene where Starfleet's synth ships were seen flying around the cube? What happened to the scene where Picard was seen back on Earth with other aliens in the background? Were Raffi and Seven just being friendly or is that going somewhere?

Spoiler: Episode 10 Starfleet ships

So I'm looking at these closer now and I'm even less impressed. They appear to be variations on the same design, but not by much. And really? No visible deflector?

And this! WHY!?!?! Why is the starboard impulse engine only half-lit? You go into battle against Tal Shiar forces with a broken impulse engine? You set up a battle scene only to put the model with an error right front and center of the camera?

 

[Hellkite]

Spoiler

The reason why it is out is that it a Chevrolet from the
Detroit fleet yards they away have a tail or head light out it's just lucky the hull has not got rust / cancer yet some things never change.

 

[SciFiFan]

My thoughts now.

Spoiler: Fate of Picard

I have mixed feelings about the fate of Picard. I was hoping that he wouldn't be placed into that android body but, I am also not surprise. I mean, you really can't kill off the principle character that the show is about. I guess that the one thing they did right is the algorithm that limits his "life span" to that of what would be expected without the brain anomaly.

Spoiler: Ships

I too liked the Romulan designs, especially the flagship. Still disappointed as well of the lack of diversity. This goes doubly for the Star Fleet ships. It would not have been a bad thing to have a few more familiar ship designs sprinkled in with both fleets (Valdore, Sabre, etc).

Spoiler: Androids

Now I have been thinking on this for some time. I have seen people complain about the direction of the Androids looking more human. I have one name for those people: Juliana Tainer.

Now I wonder if the big bad that was sneaked in the Picard season finale is going to be the bridge between Picard and Discovery.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

Spoiler

I have seen people complain about the direction of the Androids looking more human. I have one name for those people: Juliana Tainer.

I didn't realize there were people complaining about that. EMH's and such look quite human, so why not the androids?

Also, now that I think about it, where the hell were the EMH's during all this? Do they not count as advanced synthetic life?

 

[Hellkite]

Spoiler

Author, Author (Star Trek: Voyager)

Sadly NO.

The court held that the Doctor was not yet considered a person under current Federation law.

 

[CABAL]

Catching up. In the middle of Broken Pieces. Can we have a spinoff following La Sirena's holograms?

 

[SciFiFan]

Catching up. In the middle of Broken Pieces. Can we have a spinoff following La Sirena's holograms?

That'd potentially make a very good comedy.

 

[TUB_Husker]

Fianl, it was amazing in a masochistic way. What the hell i just saw?
The Ships, no, no, no, no, budget emty or what? A young Friend wrote this:
"Ladies and gents, we finally found brand new, post nemesis starships that we've been waiting for for 15 YEARS!!! we'll get to see our old favorite ships with some new ones and.... What the..." and "This is... Not... What we asked... For... They don't even have deflector dishes! 4 variants of the same starship."
The art is ugly, simple, five minute works, costs 50000-100k bugs per ship, effect e.c, I am sure. Hey we need effects! say the boss to the practicant, Yes of course I can a bit Photoshop After Effects. Haha
I never understand, the people, amazing how the effects looking. What, äh, the effects are Dren. I mean this, they are Dren, compare this with other cgi, why should I use z-depth blur, motion blur, dirt Filters, Light Filters, ugly Shaders, etc. if my models were good (I mean, if I found a amazing Design, then I will show this in all beauty). This Filter Crap have only one reason, to hide bad cgi.

Spoiler: duplicating

the duplicates of the La Sirena warp out of the planet and Oh don't noticed this, hä what kind of Tal'shiar and Witch Order leader, agent is she??????

Spoiler: The Tool

"imagine the result" oh god, no words, I am dying of laughter

Spoiler: Love

Peekard loves Data, and Data loves Peekard and he dreams about Data and Data he hands Peekard the brush. Ok that is amazing funny, what would say Sigmund Freud to this

Spoiler: Isolinear chips

Well at least soong is still alive and technically data seems to be stored within red Flashdrive- I mean... Isolinear chips?

Spoiler: Peekard

I am dying of laughter. They put the old Picard in a android body, that was not at all predictable (ironic), but the most funny thing is, they put him in a old android body. Frell I am dying of laughter

A friend wrote "But since the Federation decided not to aid a empire that can be considered an ally just because of a non related attack"

the reson for it, in a logical way, is the federation is xenophobic long before the mars. It's not true that many Muslims didn't like before 911 (irony off). The premise of the series is unbelievable.
There are no implications. The federation shits, what about votes against? How many have left Starfleet in protest? Why are there lawless areas? Why didn't the Klingons, Cardassians, or other annex these areas after the Federation gave them up? Because of the Rikers dead child, has the Federation carried out experiments on androids, Mengele style? Is it a reason for it, to say: "All ok B4 was less developed than data and the F8 series is less developed than B4" What is the point of saying that you can carry out experiments on mentally disabled people !!!! ?? ???????????????

Spoiler: Peekard

Why does Picard cope with a body swap so well? I mean with an organ transplant you get psychological care because most of them have psychological problems because of the transplantation.

Why does murder go unpunished? Why is all peace, joy pancakes? Sushi (Soji) builds this transmitter to start a genocide, but it's ok, she just had a bad day. SERIOUSLY???
I now see flash gordon

, unlike Peekard it has the charm

 

[dvatreknerd314]

...I think your medication got lost in translation...

...Ich denke, Ihre Medikamente gingen in der Übersetzung verloren...

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~HK

 

[Hellkite]

Ich denke, dass Ihr Ranting nicht so gut ins Englische übersetzt hat.
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I think that your ranting did not translate all that well into english

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Ich bekomme, dass Sie ein wenig enttäuscht sind; Über Picard, aber Ihr Beitrag ist nicht Satz richtig auf Englisch verständlich zu sein
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I get that you are a little disappointed; About Picard, but your post is not phrase right in English to be understandable.

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Meine deutsche Milbe sei ein wenig rostig, also habe ich sowohl auf Englisch als auch auf Deutsch gepostet

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My German mite be a little rusty so I posted in both English and German
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[TUB_Husker]

Oh sorry, my english isn't the best. Next time I will try harder. But really, you make fun of me?

 

[dvatreknerd314]

Oh sorry, my english isn't the best. Next time I will try harder. But really, you make fun of me?

Yes. There are plenty of online translators that work quite well. What you wrote looked like you were furiously banging your head against a keyboard. If you take a minute to calm down before you try to write something in a language you're admittedly not the best at, it'll come out better.

Also, what does Dren mean?

 

[TUB_Husker]

Also, what does Dren mean?

Of course it's a replacement for sht, made by this site. Or F[uc]k = Frell.
To the other, yes is ok, you are perfect and you make no mistakes and other things, it is ok.
Making fun of people is a fine thing!

 

[Hellkite]

I think he was joking Tub nothing personal and nothing more .

Yes! It's a auto filter the site has from back when the site was trying to be more kid friendly, the terms come for from the show Farscape by the way , if you were wondering.

 

[TUB_Husker]

Farscape, I know. Ok, maybe I'm hypersensitive. All this corona stuff is exhausting. Home Office is cool, but the whole week? Social Distancing, my social middle point (university) is closed. I do not know how to survive this for another month. I overeacted, sorry dvatreknerd314.

 

[CABAL]

Also, what does Dren mean?

It's Farscapian for a four letter word beginning with S. If you ever want to watch some weird sci-fi, watch Farscape. Starts rough, but when they shift the antagonist from Crais to Scorpius near the end of season 1 it becomes amazing (in a weird way).

Farscape, I know. Ok, maybe I'm hypersensitive. All this corona stuff is exhausting. Home Office is cool, but the whole week? Social Distancing, my social middle point (university) is closed. I do not know how to survive this for another month. I overeacted, sorry dvatreknerd314.

I don't even know how I'd survive this as an extrovert. I'm an introvert so this is basically heaven for me, or would be if they had given me the option of working from home yet. Stay strong. Maybe try an MMO? Several of the guys on the site play Star Trek Online and some others play Destiny 2, both of which are free.

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I'm still catching up on PIC. Just have the last two episodes left. I would like to thank everyone for being so on top of using the spoiler tags in this thread.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
There is a video Trekyards just released and they take a look at the new Starfleet ship(s)