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[thunderfoot]

Always wondered where Enterprise got the idea for the various species which make up the Xindi from. A unique idea which is done very well. seeing the above, I wish TNG and DS9 had done a bit more with the Breen

 

[Majestic]

I agree all three series after the TNG missed so many unique opportunities. For DS9 it was indeed the Breen as one of these.

A little more info about the Breen pertaining to the novel Zero Sum Game:

Starfleet Intelligence analysts concluded in 2382 that Breen society might be comprised by members of as many as a dozen species, all of which were thought to be humanoid, and which appeared to be of typical humanoid height and build. (ST - Typhon Pact novel: Zero Sum Game)
As of April, 2382, Starfleet was aware of at least four subspecies, the Amoniri, Fenrisal, Paclu, and Silwaan. (ST - Typhon Pact novel: Zero Sum Game)

It was not until 2382 that definitive information was obtained relating to the Breen and their biology. Initially it was believed that the Breen were a single race; however, as detailed by Sarina Douglas and Julian Bashir, the name Breen is a name taken on by the member species of the Breen Confederacy. It has been claimed that the individual races (the Amoniri, Fenrisal, Paclu, Silwaan) take on the singular name and the concealing uniforms in order to prevent any biases and prejudices to interfere with the development of their society. The uniform design has been designed to support the distinctive features of the individual races. (ST - Typhon Pact novel: Zero Sum Game)

Typhon Pact
In 2381, there were fears that the Breen might get involved in a possible Romulan Civil War following the devastation and death of Praetor Shinzon of Remus. (TOS novel: Captain's Blood)

During the Borg Invasion, the Ferengi Alliance, acting on behalf of the Federation, hired a large number of Breen warships to assist in the defense of the Azure Nebula, precluding the possibility that the Tholian Assembly would hire them to attack the weakened Federation. Unfortunately, every Breen ship was destroyed by a Borg armada of over 7,000 cubes (Star Trek: Destiny novel: Mere Mortals)
After learning of the behind-the-scenes dealmaking, the Confederacy joined with the Tholians, along with four other local powers, to form the Typhon Pact. (ST novel: A Singular Destiny)

In 2382, the Breen accepted a mission on behalf of the Pact and sent an operative to Utopia Planitia Fleet Yards to capture data pertaining to the quantum slipstream drive. The Breen were soon after contracted to build the first Typhon Pact prototype slipstream vessel. The lead researcher of the project, Thot Keer, intentionally withheld information from the other members relating to the drive's development in order to promote the Breen to a level of authority within the Pact as equals to the Romulans. Shortly before the initial trials, however, the prototype, its designer, and all information relating to the project was destroyed. (ST - Typhon Pact novel: Zero Sum Game)

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[Hellkite]

I knew Political correctness was evil

That it is and causes the down fall of Civilizations for it is "Thought police" and a direct infringement of freedoms

 

[CptBenSisko]

Always wondered where Enterprise got the idea for the various species which make up the Xindi from. A unique idea which is done very well. seeing the above, I wish TNG and DS9 had done a bit more with the Breen

What about the Breen actually being the various races of the Xindi...who were devastated by a civil war that destroyed many of the core worlds after the events that happened in Enterprise..and rendered a couple of them barren icelands...and that the various species (primates, reptilians, etc) bodies had evolved to survive the cold..and when they travel off world they require refrigeration suits because they are unable to survive without them... would also explain the disappearance of the Xindi by the mid 23rd century..and why we never hear about them during TOS,TMP, and TNG until the time of DS9.. the first time we even hear the Breen mentioned is in Generations when Worf notices the disruptor blast patterns are type 3 which are used by the Romulans, Klingons and the Breen..

 

[Majestic]

However the Breen existed in the early years of the Empire as Worf states that a fleet was sent by the Empire to conquer the Breen Homeworld but never returned. I think that the book Zero Sum Game actually reveals much about the Breen, this is like the third post that I have done about it. By chance has anyone read the research I have done?

It just came to me today that the team is doing the Breen and I heard talks about the Tholians after the Son'a. If the team also does the Tzenkenti then there are 3 of the 6 Typhoon Pact races already.

 

[Starfox1701]

I have read the stuff you post and it is good stuff, I'm just not sure I want to abandon all of the earlier supposition and thought processes about the Breen yet. I like the ideal of a race from the cold end of the spectrum living on worlds normal humanoids can't inhabit.

 

[Aerilon]

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I've said before, and I'll say again. I've got four Breen ships and a Breen shipyard ready to share for this project if desired. Models all complete, but they've not been hard-pointed or uploaded anywhere yet. I'd also like to mention... the Xindi ~ they've been brought up a number of times in this thread. Back in the early days of Zero Hour, the Xindi (at least, a 24th century version of them) were one of the planned factions in Zero Hour. Me and Avon had a whole batch of Xindi ships going; most of which have been uploaded (though not all finished). Just thought I'd drop that in there as another potential race idea for the future.

 

[Starfox1701]

Aerilon I PMed you on it

 

[Aerilon]

Aerilon I PMed you on it

That you have. Request fulfilled.

 

[Syf]

Between work and net connection problems I've not been available. I will have more time Monday as well as most of this week. Now as long as the net stabilizes for me.

 

[Styer_Crisis]

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also, about the storyline, supposedly the son'a were allied with the dominion at the end of the war aswell (ketracel manufactures)

I sumise that if we do a story, it could focus on the remaning Breen/Son'a alliance. Perhaps with a focus of fineshing the task of annhililating the cadassians, and with an eventual plot to retake Ds9 and help launch a sencond and final dominion invasion, And with the Dominion/Breen/Son'a/(another ally)'s fleets, all in place, focus on an all out war among the varoius sectors of the alpha quadrant.

 

[Syf]

I would prefer to make this a non-dominion mod.I'd like to set it a few years after the Dominion war ended. Overall, what I would have us do it make the story go that the Breen are one of the "good guys" in our mod. However, at the same time, they are not "goody-two-shoes" either. If we look at the information gathered, the Breen are in fact an inspiration for modern life. They made their suits to protect all the "Sub-species" from prejudices. Their society is based on Merit. I actually like the idea that the Breen were "tricked" into joining the Dominion via the replacement of some of their high rank officials with Founders.

Leading further from this. what say we bring in the 3 races as stated (Breen, Son'a, and Tholians), then bring in an enemy that poses a threat to the Alpha/Beta Quadrants and the Breen/Son'a/Tholian races make an alliance to fight off an invasion.

This is just my suggestion here. I would like to get all opinions on the table and make a decision soon. We've got to get things moving soon.

 

[Majestic]

I too like the Destiny/Typhoon Breen, explains a lot about them and they aren't as shallow or bland as they were in DS9.

Leading further from this. what say we bring in the 3 races as stated (Breen, Son'a, and Tholians), then bring in an enemy that poses a threat to the Alpha/Beta Quadrants and the Breen/Son'a/Tholian races make an alliance to fight off an invasion.

This is just my suggestion here. I would like to get all opinions on the table and make a decision soon. We've got to get things moving soon.

If we go with that, I'd like to see some of the Voyager enemies/species as this invasion force like the Vidiians or Krenium etc or perhaps they have formed their own alliance to take the Alpha Quadrant as their new home due to some force from the Delta Quadrant taking theirs.

 

[Styer_Crisis]

I would prefer to make this a non-dominion mod.I'd like to set it a few years after the Dominion war ended. Overall, what I would have us do it make the story go that the Breen are one of the "good guys" in our mod. However, at the same time, they are not "goody-two-shoes" either. If we look at the information gathered, the Breen are in fact an inspiration for modern life. They made their suits to protect all the "Sub-species" from prejudices. Their society is based on Merit. I actually like the idea that the Breen were "tricked" into joining the Dominion via the replacement of some of their high rank officials with Founders.

:Y

Oh well, i'm not a story guy, so its just fine if really dislike your idea of the breen.
I do, and always will think of the breen as Villians, i just thik its their nature, it fits. Heck, it was part of the deal at the end of the war that they'd get earth. They suicided their fleet to attack earth. and with all due respect, the information about the sub-species and the merit system is non-cannon information, nothing more. I am more than willing to help this mod, but i do not agree with this fluffy image of the breen this comunity has conjured up.

Posistion stated, moving on. here are some pices of a model i did today, i know its not my job but i was to excited and aperently we have a need for original designs.



NOTE: this is not a kitbash, i did all the peices of the model myself except for the bridge.

 

[Adm_Z]

Looks wonderful crisis! Like a nice breen cruiser.

@ syf

The only problem I have with that is it being after the dominion war. Just like the cardies, their fleet was obliterated and their entire system would have been challenged. If they truly were under the influence of the founders, it is even possible they joined the federation.

But TBH, I don't think it really matters. We can make the race mod now and figure out the backstory later.

 

[Styer_Crisis]

Looks wonderful crisis! Like a nice breen cruiser.
The only problem I have with that is it being after the dominion war. Just like the cardies, their fleet was obliterated and their entire system would have been challenged. If they truly were under the influence of the founders, it is even possible they joined the federation.
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Well, unlike the cardies, they were only involved i nthe war for a few episodes, not 3 years, and their homeworld wasn't left in ruins, so i would imagine they are in a much beter spot than the cardies.

i would imagine they would also have a grudge against the cardies, after all, the first ships shot by the cardie after they switched sides were breen.

 

[Majestic]

I agree that the Breen systems would've been left untouched for the most part, however their economy wouldn't be the best, having to make post-war costs of damaged to the victors. So that does explain why they joined the Typhoon Pact and for a while were working as mercenaries for other species.

Styler I also agree that they wouldn't like the Cardassians very much and I wonder if we can put that into the mod, perhaps the Cardassians are planning to join the Federation merely for their own protection. We could even have the Klingons making bold aggressive moves towards them and their territory.

 

[Syf]

I think it's best to put a few story concepts out, and then let the teams vote on which story is best. But let me just say, in this mod, we should see the Breen through their eyes, not the normal Federation perspective. And from that, we can conclude the Breen do not see themselves as evil. Just like the Russians see themselves in a positive perspective, yet Americans see them as "bad guys".

While the only things that are canon are things seen on the TV or Movie screen, any books written under the eye of Paramount, Viacom, CBS should be viewed as "Authorized" material (That's a concept that all "Trekkies" need to accept, in my view. As with any other show... like Star Wars or Harry Potter. Books that are given the seal of approval by the Authors or owners of any said franchise are just as valid, if not more valid than what is seen on TV). Also, we are doing Fan-fic here. We should allow ourselves our own creativity

I think the Breen would not be too friendly to the Cardassians or the Federation nor any of their allies.

Styer, I love the model.

 

[Styer_Crisis]

I think it's best to put a few story concepts out, and then let the teams vote on which story is best. But let me just say, in this mod, we should see the Breen through their eyes, not the normal Federation perspective. And from that, we can conclude the Breen do not see themselves as evil. Just like the Russians see themselves in a positive perspective, yet Americans see them as "bad guys".

While the only things that are canon are things seen on the TV or Movie screen, any books written under the eye of Paramount, Viacom, CBS should be viewed as "Authorized" material (That's a concept that all "Trekkies" need to accept, in my view. As with any other show... like Star Wars or Harry Potter. Books that are given the seal of approval by the Authors or owners of any said franchise are just as valid, if not more valid than what is seen on TV). Also, we are doing Fan-fic here. We should allow ourselves our own creativity

I think the Breen would not be too friendly to the Cardassians or the Federation nor any of their allies.

Styer, I love the model.

Well, the Breen are my most favorate race of all time outta star trek, so forgive me if i tend to be a purest nazi breen nerd.

Thx, it took 2 hours to make that model, glad its liked. I uploaded it to the model art thread.



And seroiusly dude, call me Crisis

 

[Adm_Z]

While the only things that are canon are things seen on the TV or Movie screen, any books written under the eye of Paramount, Viacom, CBS should be viewed as "Authorized" material (That's a concept that all "Trekkies" need to accept, in my view. As with any other show... like Star Wars or Harry Potter. Books that are given the seal of approval by the Authors or owners of any said franchise are just as valid, if not more valid than what is seen on TV). Also, we are doing Fan-fic here. We should allow ourselves our own creativity

I"m sorry Syf, but this is something I will never accept. Star wars may be polluted by their expanded universe and other random books, most of which I"m sure are pretty good, but I will not have it for my trek. Nothing is canon or indisputable but what is in the series and movies. If it is in the books, I am not against it as an idea, however Canon trumps all. I am skeptical about the breen being several species, but for this mod I don't think it makes a bit of difference. I have no problem designing mods around books or book series, but I will never accept that books are automatically "valid" because they are licences by CBS.

That being said, I think you are completely right in that the mod should be about how the breen see themselves. I still support the idea that the Breen had no intention of joining the war but were tricked into it by the founders. Why they wanted Earth could have even been to protect it from the dominion. But either way, If we are going for post-dominion war, the mod should be based on larger more expensive ships and not a mass quantity of ships. Their economy would have been weak and they would not have a lot of ships left, so I think the distress call is not a good special for them. They should have a lot of EMP like weapons used to disable ships though. I think that their heavy use of these weapons means they may be a species which likes to salvage enemy ships, which could work well for the mod.

Just spitballing here.

 

[Starfox1701]

I have been thinking about how the Breen are portrayed in DS9 and what Majestic has said about the books and I think the books portral may infact be a smoke screen. Think about it for a second. If the true Breen race is from a Titan like planet or moon then the specific life sutaining mix for them would be exceedingly more rare then that of other humanoids like Humans or Klingons. This in and of itself is a massive vunerability for them. Somthing they would likely hide at all cost.

Cold climate life forms are masters of economy. Economy of motion, energy useage, and food stuffs. They are pragmatic and very patient, but most of all they are ruthless in the pursuit of there goals. Just look at a Polar Bear. Think about that in a humaniod culture.

They survive all the perils of their home world and make it out into space only to find it teaming with hot blooded races that spread themselves across the stars like fungus. Stoping only just long enough to use up every resouce they can grab be for moving on. They would also find themselve to be fairly unique as a species in their part of the Galaxy, and that the world they would prefer to colonise were as rare as flawless Dimonds. Being pragmatists they would likly have taken what they needed in raids or moved to capture strategic systems. It would not likly occur to them to negotiate or seek peaceful contact. The hot bloods would be seen only as dangous compitition for space and resources.

Eventually the Breen gain the upper hand in the local expantion and begin to conquer the other races that they where in conflict with and being ever pragmatic they would seek to find a sustainable way to use these races. Trial and error created a system of cultural reinvention for these subject races and genetic manipulation created a loyal warrior class that serves the will of the true Breen without question. Body suits rob them of their individual identity creating inforced conformity. After many generations these races don't even remeber their own history and trully believe the grand illution the the true Breen have woven to keep them traped. Like the Founders the true Breen hide behind surrogates to protect their secrets and their vurnerabilities. With a hot blooded meat shield in place the Breen can begin to make the whole Galaxy safe for their kind. Once this is complete their survival will be complete and the hot bloods will never again be able to threaten them with extiction.

 

[Adm_Z]

That sounds like a nice story. I would still like to believe they did not intend to join the dominion or even the war, but the culture behind the mask is well thought out.

 

[CptBenSisko]

Hey guys... I just got home from my surgery to repair an iguinal hernia on my left side...sooo i should be able to do some ODF modding on my laptop..i just won't have access to my big machine because its upstairs...but anyone that need me...just PM me. Thanks guys!!!

 

[Adm_Z]

Does that mean it went well? If so I"m glad, and I hope it heals up nicely.

 

[CptBenSisko]

Yes it went well..and will be all good in time...

 

[Adm_Z]

That's good news Capt.

 

[Starfox1701]

Got a little model update. The Fleet so far. C&C any one?

 

[Adm_Z]

Looking good to me. Seems we just need a couple more and some econ ships and then we will be done with ships.

 

[Majestic]

Nice little fleet you guys have there.

Yes it went well..and will be all good in time...

I'm glad to hear you're doing well.

 

[CptBenSisko]

fleet looks good...and thanks Maj..greatly appreciated buddy....