2011 Community Mod Center

[Starfox1701]

Id think somthing more in ackolegdement of the Breen. like Cold Warriors or Battles of Ice and Steal

 

[Adm_Z]

you don't need wireframes anymore when you have systembackgrounds and weapon icons..... And the buildbuttons don't have to have a load of detail in them either..

Well, what we call wireframes, FO calls miniimages, but they are still there for group select icons. In FO you have Buttons, miniimages, systembackgrounds, log pics, and systemicons. A lot to do, but not a lot of work.

Id think somthing more in ackolegdement of the Breen. like Cold Warriors or Battles of Ice and Steal

I like your better. What about Fleet Operations: Knights of Ice?

 

[Majestic]

I think the name should represent all the races as isn't it decided that after the Breen then Son'a will be done and then after them someone else?

 

[Amateur]

What about a compromise?


For example:

Armada 2: Brush Wars
Knights of Ice

Then the next races can have their own little titles as well.

 

[Majestic]

What about a compromise?


For example:

Armada 2: Brush Wars
Knights of Ice

Then the next races can have their own little titles as well.

That could work, like:

Part 1: Knights of Ice
Part 2: Bak'u Rebellion​

etc.

 

[Dan1025]

What about a compromise?


For example:

Armada 2: Brush Wars
Knights of Ice

Then the next races can have their own little titles as well.

That could work, like:

Part 1: Knights of Ice
Part 2: Bak'u Rebellion​

etc.

Sounds ideal to me

 

[Adm_Z]

I quite like Armada 2: Faction Wars - Knights of Ice. Then we could do Armada 2: Faction Wars - whatever we come up with for the sona, gorn, or whoever else.

 

[Hellkite]

That could work, like:

Part 1: Knights of Ice
Part 2: Bak'u Rebellion​

etc.

Works for me as well

 

[Majestic]

That sounds good so like:

Star Trek Armada 2: Faction Wars
Part 1: Knights of Ice
A MSFC Community Mod

Star Trek Armada 2: Faction Wars
Part 2: Bak'u Rebellion (Temp title)
A MSFC Community Mod​

 

[CABAL]

That sounds good so like:

Star Trek Armada 2: Faction Wars
Part 1: Knights of Ice
A MSFC Community Mod

Star Trek Armada 2: Faction Wars
Part 2: Bak'u Rebellion (Temp title)
A MSFC Community Mod​

I like it.

 

[Adm_Z]

Indeed, those get my vote.

 

[Syf]

I'll wait until the rest of the team has a say. I will support what the majority wants to title the mod.

I'll go through my PMs and such and reply in the morning, as well as start posting mod progress reports. If each group can let me know where they stand, I'll see about getting everyone off doing what they need to work on.. Tomorrow is the first day of December, so it's show time boys and girls. I would do all the above tonight if I wasn't so exhausted.

 

[Styer_Crisis]

I have no porblem except the use of the term "knights"

Infact the breen are not knights, not even close, there backstabing, cold, heartlless beings who'd kill you for the coolant in you fridge suit.

I think somthing more reflective of this nightmarish image is in order.

But thats just me.

 

[Dan1025]

I have no porblem except the use of the term "knights"

Infact the breen are not knights, not even close, there backstabing, cold, heartlless beings who'd kill you for the coolant in you fridge suit.

I think somthing more reflective of this nightmarish image is in order.

But thats just me.

Hmm, Warriors of Ice or Cold Warriors, something along those lines then maybe?

 

[Amateur]

I have no porblem except the use of the term "knights"

Infact the breen are not knights, not even close, there backstabing, cold, heartlless beings who'd kill you for the coolant in you fridge suit.

I think somthing more reflective of this nightmarish image is in order.

But thats just me.

The thing is, that is probably very close to the truth behind it. We know that medieval politics was based around court intrigue and constantly trying to better yourself in the eyes of the monarch whilst making other lords/knights look bad. A knight is, after all, a warrior - someone expected to fight in a war. The whole idea of chivalry does exist, and is documented in the literature of the period, but it is shown to be open to careful manipulation and filled with loopholes.

Knights have waged wars in the names of all sorts of things. Modern portrayals show them to be these great moral beings; but chances are they were cold and heartless. The doctrine of the time (feudalism) placed them above most people; who they thought to be little more than cattle. Women, as well, were apotheosised rather than respected. The whole idea of the princess in the castle is an evolution of her being a trophy, something claimed through warfare.

I'd agree that the modern conception of what a knight is makes them unlikely contenders; but in the historical sense then it is very fitting. Plus to say that someone is a 'knight of' suggests that they fight for, because of, or through that. In that sense it is synonomous with 'warrior'.

Hmm...that sounds a little bit like a rant. Not my intention I can assure you, but I've been reading a lot of New Historicism and context has become rather important.

 

[CABAL]

Samurai have similarly been romanticized.

We could go in a different direction with the name to remove any positive connotations, like Frozen Hearts or Icy Killers.

The whole idea of chivalry does exist, and is documented in the literature of the period, but it is shown to be open to careful manipulation and filled with loopholes.

Like taxes.

 

[Starfox1701]

You guy are forgeting somthing. This shouldn't only be about how we see the Breen but how the Breen see themselves. I doubt they think of themselves as the embodyment of evil as it where.

 

[Syf]

Amateur has a valid point. the only truly "Noble knights" are that of myth and legend. It's all a matter of perspective... Knight of the round table refers to England, and we all know the true history of England and it's bloody past. England did strive to be an empire, and thus those that fought in her name were Noble perhaps to those in England. But if you ask the Scotts, they were not so noble. The Templar Knights are said to be noble, but they slaughtered thousands of "non-believers". That's why the Middle eastern nations don't like Christians or Catholics. Sadly, our modern stories are dressed up to look pretty for our children to inspire a new age of ideals.

But that aside, the name is not decided yet. Everyone must have a voice before we decide. We have about 2 weeks before we really need a name for the mod. I do like the idea of giving each addition it's own "sub title".

Perhaps we might settle for "MSFC Community Mod Project" as the main title, then "Star Trek" is a sub title, then a final sub title for the part we are working on. After all, People have 3 names, why not what we create...

 

[Adm_Z]

I have no porblem except the use of the term "knights"

Infact the breen are not knights, not even close, there backstabing, cold, heartlless beings who'd kill you for the coolant in you fridge suit.

I think somthing more reflective of this nightmarish image is in order.

But thats just me.

I disagree. Maybe in the last three episodes of ds9 we saw one general being particularly heartless, but there are other cases which contradict this, such as when Worf, Martok were on the dominion prison station. The breen sacrificed himself to save the rest of the prisoners and help them escape. I think there are bad guys, or generals, in every race but they do not necessarily represent the species as a whole.

So yeah, I think knights of ice is still a valid name.

 

[CptBenSisko]

I, too agree... Look at Admiral Leighton.... hes considered a bad guy..and he was human..and the Commander in Chief of Starfleet... you see what happened to him.. but he doesn't reflect humanity as a whole..or Starfleet as a whole

 

[Hellkite]

How about " Frost charge "

 

[Terra_Inc]

I disagree. Maybe in the last three episodes of ds9 we saw one general being particularly heartless, but there are other cases which contradict this, such as when Worf, Martok were on the dominion prison station. The breen sacrificed himself to save the rest of the prisoners and help them escape. I think there are bad guys, or generals, in every race but they do not necessarily represent the species as a whole.

I think the point of that episode is rather interesting. A Breen prisoner in a Dominion prison station where they kept several originals of replaced people. Does this imply that some high-ranking Breen officer was replaced with a founder to get them to join the war? I like to think so.

 

[Adm_Z]

That is an excellent point. I hadn't thought of that, however they would have had to actually been in a real breen suit because the founders still had the section 31 disease at that time.

 

[Amateur]

But if the non-canon stuff about how it is a social misdemeanour to see another Breen without the suit, then the changeling could easily just wear one and not be noticed.

Plus there's no need for anti-dominion security features to detect shapeshifters if you're allied with one.

Backstory people! An idea do be here!

 

[Adm_Z]

Indeed, they could have captured the Breen general and replaced him with a changeling. This Changling could wear a breen suit, not only to blend in, but to hide the fact that they were a sick changling which would have normally given them away no matter what form they were in. We could definitely build a backstory around this general. Maybe he was going to join the federation, but then he was captured and the breen joined the dominion instead!

 

[Hellkite]

A start

With the fall of the Dominion ,the Breen were forced to return the former Cardasian worlds seed to them by the dominion as well make war reparations to the Federation and it Allies as per the terms of The Treaty of Bajor, the Breen confederation stands on the brink of financial collapse in the face of it war debts and underfund war expenditures...
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Thinking on the lines of Germany post WW1 Using the Breen as Germany and the Son'a as Soviets


thoughts

 

[Adm_Z]

TBH, I was thinking more along of the lines of pre Breen involvement in the dominion war. Like the Breen confederacy in its prime, instead of a broken and battered empire struggling to keep a fleet going. it just sounds more fun.

 

[Terra_Inc]

TBH, I was thinking more along of the lines of pre Breen involvement in the dominion war. Like the Breen confederacy in its prime, instead of a broken and battered empire struggling to keep a fleet going. it just sounds more fun.

I agree.

 

[Majestic]

Infact the breen are not knights, not even close, there backstabing, cold, heartlless beings who'd kill you for the coolant in you fridge suit.

I think somthing more reflective of this nightmarish image is in order.

But thats just me.

Have you read Star Trek: Typhoon Pact - Zero Sum Game? The book actually goes into great detail about the Breen. They aren't the one species, but a group of them. The suits are used so discrimination isn't an issue and a Breen is promoted on it's work and merits and not it's species. The Breen Homeworld is actually much like Earth, but mostly underground. It's also illegal to walk around in Public without your suit and residents are monitored and if something suspicious occurs the Breen responsible are arrested. They also have an underground who are opposed to the strict policy of the suits and wish to do away with them.

So in conclusion the Breen are a lot like the Federation in some aspects but take some things a little too far, but at the heart of the matter it's about unity and fairness for all and the protection for their people.

 

[Starfox1701]

I knew Political correctness was evil