Fleet Ops BSG Addon Mod Preview V0.9

[thunderfoot]

Twelve ODFs?! For just the ship?! No wonder my laptop balks at running Fleet Ops. You've just answered a question I've had for a very long time.

 

[Adm_Z]

heh, yeah. 6 normally, but with two modes...

And it would take about 10 minutes for your computer to load the game too. It did for my old laptop anyway.

its because each ship has 6 ranks that they can gain by getting more kills, thereby getting more weapons, better stats, ect. is hard to balance too, which is the biggest reason why I am taking so long.

But like I said, the end result is definitely worth it.

 

[Adm_Z]

ok well in light of me helping TF with his loading screen, I decided to try my own. It didn't turn out as well as I would have liked, so ant ideas would be great.

Let me know what you think.

 

[thunderfoot]

I like it. It looks very different from any other Loading Screen I've ever seen. Different is usually good because it makes your mod stand out from all the rest. The only suggestions I have would be as follows:

1) A little more contrast between the background and the logos.

2) in the lower half, I'd place something which said something like
"Add On for Fleet Ops ver. X.XX"

 

[thunderfoot]

I dunno. Maybe something like this?...

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I did not do the additional lettering in the same style as the Galactica logo but it would probably look much nicer that way. of course I have no idea which version of FleetOps you're doing this for, I assume it is 3.10?

Hope this helps. If it does it will be your turn to not give me credit for anything. Took me all of five minutes.

 

[Adm_Z]

lol, thats a good question. I would like to say that it will be for whatever patch is available when i release it(maybe 3.1.3) but if it is popular enough, I will try to keep it up to date every time a new patch is released.

Because of that, I would say that it is best to leave out the patch number. I was really thinking that the screw heads are wrong, but I couldn't find anything better.

I could buy the font that is exactly like the BSG font, but it is like $20 and I really don't think it is worth that much. I mean its just a font.


Maybe I should leave the logos where they are but add a screen shot instead, like yours.

Edit:fixed some errors with my dumb keyboard

 

[thunderfoot]

...I was really thinking that the screw heads are wrong, but I couldn't find anything better.

Maybe replace them with Colonial officer insignia?

I could buy the font that is exactly like the BSG font, but it is like $20 and I really don't think it is worth that much. I mean its just a font.

I have a copy of the font I use. I can send it to you if you want it.

Maybe I should leave the logos where they are but add a screen shot instead, like yours.

I have nearly 850 pics in my PhotoBucket account(thunderfoot006). About 300 or so are BSG based. Go take a look, please. If you see one you want, grab it and use it.

 

[Adm_Z]

I have a copy of the font I use. I can send it to you if you want it.

Actually that would be awesome

And I"ll go look at your stuff. I might just use one of mine, but I'll look at yours first.

 

[Adm_Z]

Well, after a tone of work sorting out the new odf lines, I believe I have finally got it to work. In the FO 3.1.2 patch, besides some new balancing aspects, the major feature included was explosion effects for weapon impacts. Have a look at how they turned.

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[Adm_Z]

Sorry, heres some better copies. Was just a tad late for an edit...

Spoiler: group

 

[Majestic]

Brilliant, those look beautiful. Is that the PRP Mercury I see?

 

[Adm_Z]

As always

'Tis a brilliant model

 

[FahreS]

Ahhhhhh great battle shots!!!

 

[Majestic]

As always

'Tis a brilliant model

Thanks mate. I have of yesterday hardpointed the PRP Valkyrie. I need to do some fixes to it and the boring stuff like odf's, buildbuttons etc then she'll be good to go.

 

[Adm_Z]

ooohh, yay, so we can expect it within the next week or so?



And some more news, I have gotten permission to use some of Mark Kingsnorth's art in my mod,(I don't know if anyone knows of him, I just stumbled across his art on a Star Trek google search) so here(Drum-roll please) are my new loadscreen and main menu images.

They may change back to orange, depending on what he thinks, but I have permission to use the originals, I just need him to tell me what he thinks of the final versions.

 

[Majestic]

ooohh, yay, so we can expect it within the next week or so?

Well with my schedule I am not going to promise any sort of release date yet, however it's at the top of my modelling list along with the Midway and a new design I am working on and dedicating to a friend of mine here on MSFC. I haven't started that one yet but I have a solid idea in my head for it.

The Valkyrie is also going to be one of the last PRP ships, certainly the last for sometime.

Nice looking images, I think an orange rather than the blue would fit better personally but that's just me. It's a nice touch putting the Colonial Crest in as a planet as well.

 

[Adm_Z]

Cool, I"m glad it will be out soon then. I can wait for it, its definitely worth it.

And yeah, it was originally orange, but I changed it to blue to match the overall theme of FO and I dodn't have to change every screen to make it match.

And the planet(though now that I think of it, it sure seems like a planet) it actually my attempt at a mod logo. I took the basic design of the FO logo and used a colonial crest instead of a fed logo. you can see in the attached images.

 

[Majestic]

I must say quite a nice touch, I like it.

 

[Adm_Z]

ok, so just in case you didn't see, there is a teaser pack in the downloads, of some of the most recent screenies I have taken

 

[Adm_Z]

More updates.

I may still able to get everything done in the next few weeks, though I"m having some bug related problems, feature adition seems to be going smoothly. Included in these new features are new engine glows, accomplished with the help from DEjavU. Thanks again man!

 

[Majestic]

I am still waiting for my copy of the ships with glows, as per my condition of originally editing the models.

I'm a little disappointed as they have been shown on the web several times already but the MS3D files have not been sent to me by DEjavU yet. I personally don't think I will be allowing this again in the future.

They look however very nice Zaxxon.

 

[Adm_Z]

Oh, Actually I nevah recieved the ms3d's I'll send you what he gave me though, along with the one I edited and the raptor. I was able to add the ones to the raptor through assimview. Sorry about the mis-communication, I thought DEjavU was gonna send them to ya'

The vipers and other things were done by me through assimview but the models are from thunderfoot(made by EAS_intrepid I think)

Edit: Wait where have you seen these before? this is the first time I"ve shown this anywhere except to chilitrek on BSA. I had glows overladed on the ship before, but they aern't made for your ship. this should be the first time anyone has publicly seen these glows which DEjavU made.

 

[Majestic]

I saw them on the Fleet Ops site, what looked like my BSG ships with glows. Also it's not your fault Zaxxon as I gave the MS3D files to Dejavu, whom I also told that the condition of this was sending me the MS3D files back with glows and not to release them or send them to anyone else, except of course you Zaxxon.

This now has me rather concerned about whether they are going to be dispersed all over the net. I am certainly not going to be giving out any MS3D files again.

He has had the time to send them to you, but not back to the original author? I am rather peeved off about this.

 

[Adm_Z]

Ah, ok then. also the pics you saw were probably hat is attached. You can see the glowz were not exactly made for your model. Completely off centered.

 

[thunderfoot]

The battlestars are most certainly NOT mine! They are Majestic's from the PRP. Every Colonial combat ship EXCEPT the Vipers inside the Half Race Mod is PRP. I asked Maj awhile back if I could include his PRP stuff inside the Half Race Mod. The Vipers were done for me by Achilles and I forwarded a copy to you, Z. As I promised I would.

At no time do I ever recall anyone asking me if it was okay for dejaVu to redo the glows on the Vipers and then release them again. I'm not normally one who cares about this sort of stuff, true, but it would have been nice to be notified so I could remind someone to ensure Achilles got the credit for the Vipers, since he did them at my request from Coxxon's originals. He did a very nice job and deserves to be mentioned.

Again, I am not normally one to be concerned over this sort of thing since I am usually the end user and not the middle man. I go to some extraordinary lengths to make sure everyone who D/L's one of my mods knows who did what. But come on people! How hard is it to simply PM somebody BEFORE you turn anything loose?

Pull the Vipers from the mod, please. Right now. Yes, I am serious. When and if I get conformation from Majestic thru non MSFC channels he has been asked for and has granted permission for you to use his PRP models in the FO BSG Addon, then you may ask me for permission to use the Vipers again. If you should happen to find another set of Vipers between now and then to replace the ones I forwarded to you, then please pull any and all of the BSG civvie ships which are ALL mine, except for the passenger liners those are Maj's as well, until the previous condition has been satisfied.

Am I being harsh and unfair? Nope. Not from my POV. Maj and a few others put a lot of time and effort into those battlestars. They DESERVE the credit for them and I intend to do whatever it takes to make sure this happens the way I want it to. It is long past time "Ooops, I forgot." was done being used as an excuse for not crediting someone. Had all the permissions been secured prior to the pics being posted, I would not be quite as upset with anyone. But there is no way whatsoever I am going to stand by and do nothing at all about this.

To recap. Until I hear from Maj he has been asked for and granted permission to use his PRP ships via non MSFC channels, you DO NOT have permission to use either the Vipers I sent you nor the BSG civvie ships in anything you are planning to publicly release.

Wrote it. Meant every word. See no real reason to reasonable about this at all currently. Am I hetted up over this? You bet your sweet bippy I am!

 

[Adm_Z]

Aahh!! ok, first of all, they are pulled at your request.

Next, I believe I have mis-worded something. DEjavU did not put glows on the vipers, nor did he release them. I have them, I did it, not him.

As I said in the post, the vipers and other things(meaning the valkyrie) were done by me(glowed') and the vipers were given to me by you. I mistakenly thought EAS intrepid did work on them, and for that I am very sorry. I don't know where I got that idea.

Now, the fiasco of the battlestar glows is I guess also my fault too. I asked DEjavU for help, he got the models from Maj, and gave me the .sods. from there I was able to figure out how he did it, and proceded to add glows to the vipers. I did this as a stand in while I awaited you to give me the originals which I believe you said had glows.(we discussed this via PM)

Anyway, no vipers sofar match up to the ones you gave me, nothing is released, and all credit is already given. if you want maj to tell you whats what, I am fine with that, I will just have to push my release date back further.

So, to re-cap, this all seems to be my fault, and if if y'all want your stuff pulled, I will do what you wish. The models aren't mine they are yours, and yours to do with what you please.

Sorry all, I hope things are resolved quickly,
-Z.

Edit: oh, and, though I can not speak for DEjavU, Nothing I made will be released outside of MSFC, and the deals that Majestic has made. The only other people who have the mod are a couple testers, who are not modders, and don't even have a working version of the mod atm, nore do they have any glow'd models.

 

[thunderfoot]

First you say the Vipers are the ones I sent you and then you say "They don't match up to the ones I sent you. So whose Viper SODs or MS3D models are you using then? There are three versions I know of personally.

1) The ones I sent you which were done at my request by Achilles.

2) The ones which Mike McKeon did and made such a hash of.

3) The ones Chiletrek did a very long time ago and which the people in control of the BSA mod made him promise he would not release publicly until after (Read "When" or "If" here, actually) the BSA mod is publicly released.

Taking someone else's SOD and adding something to it or changing it in some other way DOES NOT make it a new model done exclusively by you. I'd like to reiterate here when or if you have secured the permissions you need from the people you need and I have been notified you have done so by them, you will have permission again to use the Vipers I sent you. Along with the civvie ships which I converted directly from Coxxon's original work. And BSG stuff just plain isn't right without the civvie ships.

I really am very disappointed and very upset someone I consider a friend could take someone else's work and treat it in in such a cavalier manner. Bad form, Dude. Would have been all okay if someone had asked FIRST, BEFORE showing off publicly. This is the real issue here. The posts which have sent me off like a rocket implied and inferred this is all a done deal and already released somewhere other than MSFC. My agreement with Majestic was his PRP ships could be included in my BSG Half Race Mod provided it was only hosted at MSFC. I am about 99% certain he told you the same thing. I'm really rather glad right now I pulled A2 off my HDD, have deleted everything connected to it and moved on to other games. This kind of nonsense isn't going to be possible to pull with any of my new mods for these games.

 

[Adm_Z]

*facepalm* I think I've dine it again.

I meant that if I can't use yours, then I won't use any until this situation gets figured out because none are of the quality as the ones you gave me.

I"m so confused...


And none of these are released yet. Anywhere. I took these pics, and nobody has the ships with glows except me. DEjavU has Majestics ship with glows, which he got permission to add and give to me, but nobody else has those glowing version of the fighters except me. I only planned on releasing the originals you mentioned via PM. Even those screen shot packs in the dl section don't have them, and I took them aswell.

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Also, the deal Majestic made with me was exclusive, because of the fact that the FO website can not host anything, so ALL finished work will be hosted here. I believe that I would somehow be able to link to the download, Hosted here, on FO. You may want to discuss that with Majestic, and I might need to as well.


I"m sad that these stupid pictures showing new features that only I have, have made this all fall to pieces, but I am still hopeful that it may be worked out.


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[Majestic]

You may link to the file on to FlOps forums, however for it to be downloaded those people whom want it will have to register with MSFC and follow the MSFC guidelines.

 

[Adm_Z]

ok, that makes sense. Glad you made that clear.

But as I said. Nothing is released yet, and it will, when its released, be released following Majestics guidelines.