First Indication of Star Trek 11.

[Jeddy]

Spoiler: LT...

I think it was just a "Ohh ooops Kirk isnt captain by the end of the film... Lets just throw it in there..." a better way of putting it would be that it was an after thought

 

[Borg_Queen]

Well, I have seen this movie now, and all I can say is; Awesome.

Yes, I liked the movie a lot. Comments in spoilers will arrive soon.

 

[La Patience]

I am going to go see it this weekend (was going to go today but unfortionatly my mother is ill and its kinda a bad time as I will have to go after 4pm) but I can say I am really looking forward to it.

 

[Amateur]

Well I went to see this yesterday and have to say that its become my favourite Trek film. Following part in spoilers so as not to ruin anything -

Spoiler: Star Trek

I stand by my previous statement - the Enterprise is gorgeous; and the Kelvin looks good as well. Not so sure about the industrial look to engineering - looks a bit our of place when compared to the bridge and exterior.

Plot was just twist after twist for someone who knows Trek. Vulcan's gone! And so is Romulus (in the future)! Liked the little in-jokes like Scotty 'losing' Archer's beagle Porthos.

Quinto was brilliant as Spock - and I have to admit that when he pinned Kirk by the neck I was expecting to see a cut appear on his forehead. McCoy - excellent and Pegg as Scotty was definitely a highlight. I'd recommend it to anyone - final rating: 9.5/10

 

[Majestic]

I'm going not this weekend but next. I can't wait.

 

[Wheller]

it.was. awesome!!!!

Spoiler: Spoilers

what to say what to say... i liked the Kelvin. she preformed well in battle for a ship her size and for her role. the movie was exactly what was needed to save the series.

but if they screw up again... well its done.

and it looks like the "Odd Number Dud" rule is broken

 

[Aerilon]

Spoiler: Spoiler

I still think the new movie was missing some action from the Klingon's. We know that a certain somebodies ship took out a fleet of (47)? Klingon Warbirds. It would have been nice to actually see those 47 ships getting blown to kingdom come.

Please use spoilers as many like myself haven't seen the movie yet. - Majestic

 

[Muad'Dib]

Spoiler: Spoiler

The movie is brilliant! The opening sequence was so dramatic and well done, I was speechless!

The actors were amazing in making the characters their own, of course Urban actually channeled DeForest Kelley and it's somehow fitting that he's really the only one that did mimic the original actor. Everyone's new take on the characters was perfect.

The action sequences were incredible but a bit short, then again I understand why given the tech Nero has...an actual ST2 knife fight with the Ent would be impossible.

I think some critics are being overtly abusive of Bana's Nero, he was perfect for what the character was supposed to be, just a little underdeveloped as most of his story is given in the Countdown Prequel Comics. This is no genius strategist or master tactician warrior, he's just a very POd and overwhelmed everyman with devastating tech and acting with blinding bloodlust.

I do not think the Klingons were necessary at all. This movie is opening a new franchise and there's plenty of time to get them in there. Frankly what I hope out of the next movie is in fact a villain that can go toe to toe with Kirk. The writers said that even they don't know who will be the next film's villain yet, since they haven't started developing it, that they will definately do Khan at some point and that is what I hope to see in the sequel.

Btw the Enterprise looked BEAUTIFUL, all the ships looked gorgeous. And the weapons Starfleet had on them were awesome machinegun pulse phasers and blue torpedoes (Probably photons, since I doubt they were quantum), still they rocked.

This is the first film since ST2 truly worthy of 10/10. I wish the next one would come out next summer

 

[Borg_Queen]

I agree with you, Muad'Dib. But please, use spoiler tags the next time as not everyone has seen this movie yet. I had to edit a spoiler tag to your post since you haven't done it.

By the way, my review will come later. Hopefully tomorrow (later today) if I'm not to tired after celebrating Norway's Constitution Day then.

 

[Muad'Dib]

Sorry Borg Queen, I didn't think anything I mentioned was any kind of spoiler material, I avoided actually discussing plot points and or specific details.

Anyway thanks for the spoiler brackets.

 

[CrazyFrog1903]

I finally got to see the movie.

Spoiler: My take on events in the movies

So, at what point is romulas suppose to be destroyed....they said 120-130 years into the future from then....And all I can say is poor vulcans... Guess that is one way to take out the remen threat...lol

 

[Wheller]

I finally got to see the movie.

Spoiler: My take on events in the movies

So, at what point is romulas suppose to be destroyed....they said 120-130 years into the future from then....And all I can say is poor vulcans... Guess that is one way to take out the remen threat...lol

Spoiler: Spoil!

i'm pretty sure that the year was 2387 when Romulus was destroyed. considering the movie is in 2258

 

[Muad'Dib]

I finally got to see the movie.

Spoiler: My take on events in the movies

So, at what point is romulas suppose to be destroyed....they said 120-130 years into the future from then....And all I can say is poor vulcans... Guess that is one way to take out the remen threat...lol

Spoiler

Nero's timeline is 8 years after the events of Star Trek Nemesis according to the prequel comic "Countdown". Although I had heard somewhere that it was 10 years after.

 

[CrazyFrog1903]

I just wanted to be sure....I have not been able to think completely clearly the last week or so. I blame lack of sleep.


It was still a great movie.

 

[Elrond]

In these sorts of opinion threads, the order of reading previous posts before actually posting is reversed for me, because I want to provide my own opinion on Star Trek 11 without having any previous reservations to posting it how I saw it. I also don't want my initial opinions to become skewed as they often do after reading other opinions and realizing that mine may have already been stated, or may have more validity than my own. But understand that, these are just opinions.

My reaction throughout the movie was like the following...

*Every few minutes...*

"WOW!!! HOLY MOLEY!"

My overall reaction to the entire movie is that it wasn't just the best Star Trek movie of the lot, but to me it was the most-enjoyable science fiction movie I've ever seen. But this is very general, without a point.

So I can't express my specifics on the general opinion too well without having spoilers around everything, so here we go!

Spoiler: omgeehax

The movie didn't go backward on itself - Vulcan is destroyed, Spock's mother Amanda is lost, and there's no going back to save either. Kirk's father was lost 25 years before Kirk became Captain of the Enterprise - there was nothing that could have been done short of time traveling and creating an alternate reality which is the result of time travel most-supported by scientists today, if even time travel is possible, besides in the past (though time is relative, if you go really fast and go forward in time faster, everyone else is sort of going back in time, relatively speaking, proving that time travel is in fact possible, at least to some degree). But the point is, this movie wasn't like all the others. There was no B4 to provide continuity to his late brother Data. There was no 'katra' or 'holy spirit' that would revive all 6 billion killed on Vulcan. Spock just wasn't fast enough to save his mother, and there was no going back on that.

The movie was highly tragic in these ways, and awfully sad I must admit. I had tears the first time seeing some of the scenes - mostly with the sacrifice of George Kirk, the loss of Spock's mother, the destruction of Vulcan, and the father-son talk between Sarek and Spock on the transporter pad after Kirk took command of the ship. These are the things that absorb me in the movie - during most of the movie, I didn't feel as much like I was watching a movie, but a lot like I was in the action as an observer within the same reality. And for me, it takes a darn good movie to do that!


However, no movie is really devoid of problems, and this one is unfortunately not an exception.

The whole "Romulan star supernova threatening the galaxy so we have to use two ounces of red matter to somehow create a black hole that's massive enough to pull in the material from the supernova, although as the black hole's forming it initially has very little pull as the shockwave and material of the supernova fly by at horrendous speeds" thing was simply so far-fetched that even Spock's katra sounded realistic in comparison.

So, the Romulans are an off-shoot of the Vulcans. In fact, they're the same species, only that Romulans evolved differently having lived on Romulus. But the split occurred when some Vulcans decided to "reserve" their emotions while others decided to say "well, frak that!" and headed off to Romulus.......3,000 something years ago, somewhere around then.

This implies in the first place that the Vulcans had great technology long long, long before humans ever did - not just decades or centuries, but even before the birth of Christ!

So both Vulcans and Romulans should be far more than a match for humans. Depending on when the Borg evolved to create their technologies, the Vulcans and Romulans might be said to have evolved their technologies far before, which in logic would mean that the Vulcans and Romulans could literally wipe the galaxy of the Borg with little effort - that isn't the case though.

But logic falls apart even further in Spock's description of the Romulan star going supernova. The Romulan star could be assumed to be much like our sun. I mean, it may have the essential 2.8 times the mass of our sun to go supernova, but it couldn't be much more than that, making the threat of a supernova to the galaxy a very far-fetched and completely unrealized type of logic.

Also, if the Romulan star was to go supernova, it is likely that the star we saw in "Nemesis" which looked much like our sun would have instead been a red supergiant by the point it lost radiance and lost the fight to gravity that would cause a supernova explosion.

But let's consider that our science is way off right now, in 2009. Let's consider that a supernova could possibly threaten part of the galaxy or even the entire galaxy...that wouldn't make sense. Many stars went supernova before our sun was formed - and it was for this reason that we have many of the heavier elements on Earth - elements that are essential for planets to be made of the stuff they are, and for life.

Obviously, supernovas were never really much of a threat to an entire galaxy - we can see this in observation today. The most you could get out of the collapse of an extremely massive star is a possible gamma ray burst, a black hole forming, and perhaps the "disruption" of star systems within 500 light years. Obviously, if you're hit by a gamma ray burst from a star that went supernova in your own galaxy, half your planet is toast in tenths of a second. But that's not normally the case. There is little evidence that the Earth was ever hit by a gamma ray burst in its entire 4.6 billion years. It seems highly unlikely that in its last 2 or 3 billion years that it will ever happen either. This Earth will probably only support life for up to 800 million years after this point, because of the shutting down of the necessary tectonic plate engine that renews the Earth, along with other likely problems to be faced (the moon possibly escaping the Earth system).

So anyway, Spock shoots a small amount of Red Matter at the approaching wave. And...it starts sucking up massive quantities of the wave. But given his close perimeter to Romulus, that planet would have been eaten up too, even if the shockwave from the supernova never reached Romulus.

Plus, you have to consider that he shot this red matter at one side of the supernova. It's rather unlikely that the black hole would suck up the WHOLE supernova. Spock's efforts would have failed either way.

Also, it is to be assumed, logically, that if a star were showing signs that it was going to collapse anytime within the next million years, those living in old Spock's time (which is in 2387 according to one misquote of the movie that states his ship was commissioned on Stardate 2387, not the year 2387 which would be the correct assumption since he is from 120 years in the future) would know about the star going supernova by this time. Evacuation efforts would have been long passed by the Romulan government and no harm would have been done at all.

But they'd even have warning if the star began swelling due to the lack of hydrogen and helium that would cause a star to begin losing its war against gravity. In 2379, when Nemesis takes place, there seems to be very little (visual) indication that the Romulan star was even close to the end of its life. If there had been, Romulus would have been devoid of life by this time, because it is within the habitable region of the star's influence, and would be either devoid of life when the star destroyed the planet as it expanded, or would have been molten by this point. Both situations would kill all life on the planet with relative ease.

So...this was all a way to create an evil villain...Nero. Spock pretty much did cause Nero to capture Spock's ship so that he could use it to destroy Vulcan. And the black hole device red matter thing had to have some sort of origin. It's just too bad this part of the plot seemed to be slapped together in the last minute.

Kirk finding Spock on the same planet, in the same location...probably as likely as aliens landing in your front yard at 3:33 AM tomorrow and presenting you with a rose, and then vaporizing you immediately after their gesture of assumed peace. It is about as likely as going on the corner of Main and First street and finding the winning lottery ticket, and then going to that same street corner at the same time the next day and finding the winning lottery ticket in the same place, and having this happen everyday for the next 1,000 years!

Also, Delta Vega is a sister world to Vulcan? Well, you learn something everyday!

Last thing that seems to have a lack of making sense...Nero somehow needed to use a laser drill to get to the core of Vulcan so that he could put the red matter in the core. Well, if Spock's experience was any lesson about how impossible red matter creating a massive enough black hole to suck up a large amount of material, Nero could have just fired the red matter at the surface of Vulcan, and armed some torpedoes to ignite it. The effects would have been similar.

Now onto the less obvious fractures in mechanical and quantum physics...

Nero and Nero's ship...a bunch of bald Romulans with the exception of one, who had hair. And everything about Nero's ship has "Scimitar" written all over it! Obviously, from the late 2370's to the late 2380's, the galaxy has had a lot of problems with Romulus and Remus - they make the Borg look like common thieves by now!

Nero's ship may as well have a bunch of Reman troops on it, because it was almost like dejavu anytime that ship or the troops aboard were shown on screen.

Also, just about everyone on the bridge crew of the Enterprise was far younger than the rest of the crew of the ship - sort of a reversal of what is most common. The average age of the bridge crew had to be around 22. That...is some weird stuff.

And then there's the thing with Spock and Uhura. I'd have to assume that in the normal timeline or reality, they never hooked up. So somehow, Spock's older self from the regular timeline interfering with matters created a situation in which his younger self was in a relationship with Uhura, Kirk becomes Captain...of the first ship he's commissioned to, and for some reason the Enterprise bridge has some weird vertical tactical thing like you'd see on a submarine, or on the Empire Strikes Back alliance on Hoth base thing. Neat.

It was difficult to see how Kirk and Spock were ever in any real danger - I never really got that sense from them. It was almost as if they were in a simulation and not a real life and death scenario because of how seemingly casual they were. When a planet with 6 billion on it are killed, and that planet had most everything to do with the founding of the Federation itself, I would expect everyone to immediately and all at once pass out or require a bath or a change of undergarments.

But I could easily overlook these details. It was an enjoyable movie. The acting was beyond good. The action was stunning. It was a sad, funny, and kickass movie. It made you wonder, made you laugh, made you cry or at least would trigger similar emotions.

I think it did well in reviving a once-dead genre of science fiction. Paramount no longer has the series in a blender. It's all up to JJ Abrams now, and whoever else just might take it to the series.

All my hopes are on the next movie not having the same types of plot holes and being able to suck me into the action as did this movie. If it can do all that without making me say "WTF" when it comes to some of these technobabble weapons and land the characters in circumstances that are beyond improbable, I'll be a lot more satisfied.

But when it comes down to it, it is science fiction, not science fact. The story can be unbelievable but still awesome, and that's much of the reason I enjoyed the movie. I could choose to take a pessimistic look back at the movie or just give into my initial feelings of it - that it was enjoyable and awesome and that's all there is to it! Life's too short to be like "I don't like change" or "I don't like this even though it has absolutely no negative impact on my life whatsoever."

Like old Spock said, "sometimes you just have to do what feels right" - very true.


PS

Spoiler: PScript

The star that apparently went supernova was a star called the "Hobus" star. This link has more information: Wikimedia Error. Also, the revolutionary Vulcans colonized Romulus in 400 CE (about 1987 years before the supernova that destroys Romulus). But still, this is a considerable amount of time to quote the Vulcans and Romulans as being far more advanced than humans; apparently humans did receive much of their technological prowess from the Vulcans and other races such as the Tholians along with other species.

"Decalithium" is a material obviously composed of the matter of 10 lithium atoms - it is the material used to create the supposed "Red Matter." In 2387, 8 years after Nemesis, Data, who is successfully alive again having merged the previous Data's memories with B4's shortly before the original Data's demise, captains the Enterprise-E. Picard is now ambassador to Vulcan, Worf a General for Qo'nos, Spock an ambassador to Romulus as he has been for twenty years, and Geordi retired from active duty to pursue the creation of his own ships.

And a reason for Nero and his officers for shaving their heads...and quote from Wikipedia...

"He beams surviving Romulan senators onto his ship and kills them for not listening to Spock, and then claims the Praetor's ancient trident, the Debrune Teral'n, which is the greatest symbol of Romulus. He and his crew then shave their heads and apply tattoos to signify their loss... Nero goes to the Vault, a secretive Romulan base, and has the Narada outfitted with Borg technology to begin a rampage against his enemies."

"With the supernova expanding, Spock decides to deposit the red matter weapon. He takes the Jellyfish, a ship developed by La Forge that can withstand extreme environmental conditions. The Narada goes about destroying and assimilating Federation, Klingon and Cardassian ships alike, wounding Worf and damaging the Enterprise in the process. When Spock successfully destroys the supernova, the Narada appears to attack when the black hole flings it and the Jellyfish back in time, leaving Picard and the crew of the Enterprise as witnesses to Spock's sacrifice."

- Wikipedia

 

[Borg_Queen]

I understand you are excited about this movie and also wants to stress out a few points, Elrond. But please don't use swearing then you are excited. I have had to fix on your swearing by replacing them with an acceptable word in your post.
I also must point out that any words, even if just one, written in all caps which is not initials, are shouting. So use underline instead for your stressing out. I have also fixed your all caps words for that reason leaving only the sentence above as I believe that was intended to be shouting, meaning you shouted to yourself.

By the way:

Spoiler: Somewhat spoiler

According to Guinan in "Q-Who", the Borg has evolved as a cybernetic species for thousands of centuries, ie. over 200 000 years. So they had most likely advanced technology like starships and such long before Vulcans and Romulans even started to study space via telescopes of sorts.

Thus the Borg is a lot more advanced than the Vulcans and Romulans. Not to talk about many other species.

By the way, good thing I'm going to watch the movie again as I didn't recall seeing any Borg tech on Narada.

I will make a large spoiler later myself, just need to think of what to say.

 

[Muad'Dib]

Borg Queen, the information that you mention in your spoilers and the info quoted from Wikipedia is in fact referred to in the prequel comic Countdown, it is not mentioned in the movie itself.

The comic explains everything about Nero's timeline and what he did with his ship in terms of those weapons, as well as fill in the entire backstory for him and Spock Prime.

 

[Borg_Queen]

But they are spoilers anyway as not everyone has read the comic, myself included. And the comic do relate to the movie as it is a prequel to it.

What I mentioned in my spoiler was just a note to what Elrond said, and since he said it in spoilers and that it was about the prequel (the comic), I had to put it in spoilers myself. Remember I referred to what was told in an episode sent 20 years ago in that spoiler.

Just to say it short; Anything that has to do with the movie here, including the comic as it is a prequel, must be put in spoilers as they are related.

 

[Muad'Dib]

You misunderstood me Borg Queen

What I was referring to was when you said in your spoiler that you wanted to recheck the movie in order to verify that information. I was letting you know that the information doesn't appear in the movie, it is presented in the comic.

So yeah a bit of communication flubber but I hope I explained it better now

 

[Borg_Queen]

Yeah, you did. By the way, I saw that that stuff the second time I saw that movie, though it was rather clever disguised. Thus it appears in the movie as well, though not mentioned by words.

 

[Wheller]

Spoiler: about stardates

just a comment to make on Elronds discussion of the stardates. in the new movie, Stardate 2387, is infact year, 2387. the production crew redid the whole stardate system into something that actually makes sense. Gene Roddenberry himself stated that the stardates weren't supposed to make sense.

"stardates were created to avoid placing the events of the original series within a specific year. At present, no canonical information exists regarding how the stardate system works and exactly why it is needed,"-Memory Alpha's Article on Stardates

 

[Majestic]

After 147 days of release, J.J. Abrams' hit film Star Trek has ended its run in North American theaters. Star Trek closed on Thursday, 1 October 2009, with a final gross of $257,730,019 (in the US), making it the highest-grossing Star Trek film to date. It is unclear if its international run has also ended; the film currently has earned $127,223,599 from foreign markets as of Thursday, for a total worldwide gross of $384,953,618.

Impressive, it sure has made it's mark in more than one way in the history of Star Trek.

 

[dinosaurJR]

"Impressive, it sure has made it's mark in more than one way in the history of Star Trek. "

Indeed Majestic,

Bring on the sequel, eh??

 

[Ryderstorm]

I for one am not looking forward to the sequal. I have seen the "revamped" star trek twice now and quite honestly I felt it didnt deserve the name Star Trek. I for one will not be spending dime one on the sequal when it comes out unlike the 15 bucks I wasted seeing the current incarnation in theaters.

Wish I could make hundreds of millions of dollars by rewriting someone elses idea...

 

[Majestic]

Yeah while it was largely successful many fans didn't take to it. I am more open minded when it comes to movies and many friends in the past used to say a certain movie was bad when I found it rather good.

Perhaps I am just easy to please when it comes to movies.

 

[SciFiFan]

Didn't Roddenberry himself want for someone to come in later and revamp his work?

 

[thunderfoot]

I am old enough(47) I got to watch first run airings of TOS on NBC back in the day. So I have a little different perspective on things from a lot of you. I liked ST:XI. JJ Abrams and crew got a great many things right. There were elements of Star Trek in the film which had not been seen since the Sixties. A few years back, I recall people fussing about there being no new Star Trek anywhere, either series or film. We get one and people complain about it. Worse, those of us whom enjoyed it are looked at as heretics by others whom are very vocal and very public about their dislike. It is Star Trek. A television show/movie/PC game. It is not a religion! Treating it as such means someone may have their priorities a little skewed. I don't really care if anyone else liked it or not. I am a little tired of hearing people complain about the film not being Star Trek. If someone did not like it, fine. I am not going to go on crusade to change someone's mind about this. I would like the same courtesy in return, please.

I would like to think those whom have a viewpoint different from mine have enough respect for me and my viewpoint that we can disagree and not resort to typical Web forum nonsense. I come here to enjoy myself, not get into fights over Star Trek. If this is not possible here, I am okay with it. I can go hang out someplace else on the Web.

 

[dinosaurJR]

I actually agree with TF here...:Y (nah... only kidding)

He is right though - The Re-Imagined Trek is, although flawed in some ways, and a little dumbed down for todays youth, really really good - I had the pleasure of taking a business class flight recently, and guess what the in flight movie was? uh huh, STXI...

I watched it twice on the way there, once on the way back... So I think I know the movie fairly well by now (I saw it at the movies too) and I must say - it really is Star Trek the way it used to be - I always had a wee bit of a problem with Picard et al. and their softly softly approach to exploration - I much prefered Kirk and co, kicking a..... em, prodding buttock, and teaching beautiful alien ladies to love...

I was born in 81, so my first aquaintance (sorry, I butchered that word there) was with re runs of TOS on Wednesday evenings... ruined my Soccer career it did (training was the same night) I was young, and maybe didnt get it the way TF did - but it deffinately left an impression on me... My first toy I can really remember loving was the Enterprise, TOS model and the D-7 model that fired little plastic disks... awesome... I even recently bought the Special Edition ST X box set (with all of the movies, TMP onwards) so that I could have the complete set... Bringing my total count of copies of TMP to three, ST2 to 2, anyway, you get the picture... I even liked ST V, great barrier FTW!

Anyways, the point Im staggering towards is this; I was raised on Kirk and Spock and Bones and Nuclear Wessles and Balance of Terror... you get the picture... I actually shead a tear when Kirk died in Generations... (Im not proud to tell you all that, but there you go...)

But if even I (a self confessed TOS nut - come on, Ive never even modeled anything other that TOS Star trek Stuff - apart from Halo...) can come to enjoy the re-imagined crew, ship, and universe - then surely you all out there, young and old alike all trek fans, and all crying out for new cannon material, can come to if not love, then at least like (or even tolerate) them too...

and relax... Sorry, I wrote a novel there... but I felt it had to be said...

 

[CrazyFrog1903]

I look forward to seeing a sequel. I too was born in 81. Also, I see it a bit differently then some. Being the expert on the Temporal Mech. of Star Trek here. Star Trek XI actually fits perfectly into the who timeline of the known star trek. Simply b/c it shows the affects of the changes to the timeline by all the series and movies. Also, it dove into an alternate reality where they did not just go back and reset things to "normal". I think it followed the science of Star Trek to the letter. Although that just means it upsets to many people who are used to watching shows that at the end of every episode everything goes back to normal.....

 

[Majestic]

Yes, I did really enjoy the new movie too but I do miss that there will be no follow up movie to Voyager (explain what happens when they get home) or no more TNG movies, not worried about DS9 or ENT (after that rather disappointing final episode).

But hey Star Trek is back and in the era I really love and adore so I am as happy as pig in mud.

I would like to think those whom have a viewpoint different from mine have enough respect for me and my viewpoint that we can disagree and not resort to typical Web forum nonsense. I come here to enjoy myself, not get into fights over Star Trek. If this is not possible here, I am okay with it. I can go hang out someplace else on the Web.

I am sure everyone here is mature enough to be able to voice their opinion without it turning into a scream feast or a flame war. As our long standing members know, the staff here take flame wars very serious and when they do occur and members ignore the staff's effort to stop them they end up loosing out in the end with a ban.

But this is MSFC, and we are pretty laid back here as the site was started to be a bunch of friends hanging out and it's how I and the staff have tried to keep it. So I foresee no problems.