First Indication of Star Trek 11.

[Elrond]

Good Lord man! Are they freaking serious? Dr. McCoy does not approve.

 

[Majestic]

Its much better than doing the same old thing again, I was kinda getting bored of Star Trek as it was just the same stuff over and over again. Its a reason I enjoyed Enterprise as much as I did, as Enterprse was fairly different.

 

[Aerilon]

So yeah, I became lost when I read the Parallel Universe stuff. Seriously, do they need to do this with Star Trek? The movie will be good I think, but i'm getting really annoyed with alternative universes, and bloody time travel.

 

[Creed]

I think the phrase we're looking for is 'wimped out'

clearly more afraid of the vociferous canon-ites out there than worried about making a good show.. so they have wimped out and simply said.. it diverges from canon, but doesn't... honest

when, as the man Majestic says, all they really needed to do was write a story and bull through, be confident in their product and say Yup this is canon, new canon.

 

[Muad'Dib]

I wholeheartedly agree with you Creed and Majestic. In fact, I seriously hope that there is absolutely no mention of the canon timeline as we know it at all in the movie...no Spock fiddling around with Picard or reuniting Romulans and Vulcans, no Dominion and Maquis, no Borg or USS Defiants, and absolutely no stupid Soran-Nexus of joy-dead Kirk...

I want nothing at all to indicate that the future of this crew will be exactly the same as laid out in TOS or TMP. Save for the uniforms and the Connie refit, I want the new crew to experience an all new future.

1 and only exception: ST2- Wrath of Khan. I'm perfectly happy keeping this in continuity or a new variation of these events.

But nothing else, I want a brand new canon and a fresh start for these characters. This is how I'll treat this movie, in spite of what Orci said.

 

[EAS_Intrepid]

I also think this timeline-thing they want to put in is a stupid idea, to say the least.

They should have just sticked to making a new Trek movie without any connection to the current Trek timeline.
Saying that they just wanted to show a different perspective on Star Trek and to show what else could be made of the franchise would have been fair enough as a reason.
BSG did it, why shouldn't it work with Star Trek. The genre is dryed out, a good deal of the stories has been told in the movies and the five Trek shows.

While I can live with the bridge design (which looks like a giant Apple computer), I think the exterior design of the ship is definately a "no-Go!" They pumped out something really ugly!

 

[Aerilon]

I also think this timeline-thing they want to put in is a stupid idea, to say the least.

They should have just sticked to making a new Trek movie without any connection to the current Trek timeline.

I completely agree here. I wasn't all that impressed when I heard they were involving time travel anyway, however, if they are essentially rebooting the franchise, why involve the future romulans as we know them? They'd have come from a time of the Marquis, Borg, Dominion etc etc.

They should have just started COMPLETELY over if anything.

 

[Majestic]

I wholeheartedly agree with you Creed and Majestic. In fact, I seriously hope that there is absolutely no mention of the canon timeline as we know it at all in the movie...no Spock fiddling around with Picard or reuniting Romulans and Vulcans, no Dominion and Maquis, no Borg or USS Defiants, and absolutely no stupid Soran-Nexus of joy-dead Kirk...

I want nothing at all to indicate that the future of this crew will be exactly the same as laid out in TOS or TMP. Save for the uniforms and the Connie refit, I want the new crew to experience an all new future.

1 and only exception: ST2- Wrath of Khan. I'm perfectly happy keeping this in continuity or a new variation of these events.

But nothing else, I want a brand new canon and a fresh start for these characters. This is how I'll treat this movie, in spite of what Orci said.

Looks like we are on the same wave length, something new is what is needed just like what Battlestar Galactica did with it's remake and if making it a parallel universe convinces many of the die hard fans out there then I support the idea and concept. Reason for this is that Trekies are like Star Wars fans to me, very hard to convince and to adapt to radically new changes and prefer to usually see simular stuff that they are used to not totally new stuff that diverges from canon. We only need to see the responce Enterprise got with the Temporal Cold War and the Suliban as well as the Xindi to see that.

 

[K_merse]

Star Wars is slightly different. There everything is clear about this canon/not canon thing. If you read or watch something from Star Wars, you can easily decide whether is canon or not. There is a simple formula about this somewhere on the Net.
But Bergman and Braga can do anything they want with Star Trek, they only need a good ideology for it. But I'm concerned that the money will be more important to them, than the original story and they will make several following "Parallel universe" movie. And just think about the next generations of ST fans, who will see this new movie first time. Then the following and the following and they will only later meet with the original movies and series. They may think that this is "boring and ugly" and would throw them away.

I hope that I was able to reveal my concerns.

 

[La Patience]

Well after watching the trailers and what not I feel that ya it looks like it will be a blast. As I have already stated there are a few things I dislike - ALOT - but I can put that behind me for the simple reason that its Trek and I need an other helping of it. who knows maybe it will get me liking Kirk. I'm just gonna go to the movies thinking that its a complete reboot no formor ties. And if that is what it takes to make another TV series then yeah...DO IT!

I do though hope that it doesn't completely erase what has happened before as while many hate it I am a DS9-ner all they way. And hope it doesn't stop the DS9 books from coming out lol.

Still at least we know one thing:

The future is APPLE

 

[Elrond]

I also think this timeline-thing they want to put in is a stupid idea, to say the least.

They should have just sticked to making a new Trek movie without any connection to the current Trek timeline.
Saying that they just wanted to show a different perspective on Star Trek and to show what else could be made of the franchise would have been fair enough as a reason.
BSG did it, why shouldn't it work with Star Trek. The genre is dryed out, a good deal of the stories has been told in the movies and the five Trek shows.

While I can live with the bridge design (which looks like a giant Apple computer), I think the exterior design of the ship is definately a "no-Go!" They pumped out something really ugly!

Most definitely I agree. The timeline thing is total bullcrap!

I'd hate to say it, but a movie as good as First Contact opened up a can of worms. The NX Enterprise would arise from it (since the timeline events changed after Picard and the Enterprise-E visited Cochrane's time) and from there it just fell apart. The Xindi and time arc thing worked for Enterprise, but Enterprise to me just didn't seem very canon. At all.

Now they're going back into the past to change Kirk's timeline as well. So it would be more appropriate to call this new movie a "spin-off" because it wouldn't fit with canon Star Trek either. They need to make a new movie that doesn't involve some absurd means of complicating the plot, such as the temporal stuff. Star Trek is about moving forward and it doesn't always need to be about the Enterprise. DS9 and Voyager proved themselves very well. TNG did very well in my opinion as well and TNG is my favorite series. Enterprise did well - on its own - but to me it should not be connected to the rest of the Trek series.

Nemesis also did a lot of messing with ship design stuff as well - Deck 29 and then a giant pit in which the Viceroy falls to his death 300 feet below...seems like they were heading down the ship, maybe they were heading up the decks and maybe that pit is somewhere just behind the warp core. Either that or the writers just plain messed up. Ship design problems seem to be a great source of confusion for timeline-related stuff.

 

[Jasoneagle]

Looking online and I found this, dont know if anyone posted it yet but here we are the full cast list is up and online:

Spoiler: IMDB Star Trek 11 Cast list

Chris Pine-Kirk
Zachary Quinto-Spock
Eric Bana-Nero
Simon Pegg-Scotty
Winona Ryder-Amanda Grayson
Karl Urban-Dr. Leonard 'Bones' McCoy
John Cho-Lt. Hikaru Sulu
Zoe Saldana-Lt. Nyota Uhura
Bruce Greenwood-Christopher Pike
Ben Cross-Sarek
Anton Yelchin-Pavel Chekov
Leonard Nimoy-Old Spock
Greg Ellis-Chief Engineer Olsen
Chris Hemsworth-George Kirk

 

[Lord_Trekie]

Spoiler: IMDB Star Trek 11 Cast list

Eric Bana-Nero

He's the only person I'd look forward to seeing...

 

[EAS_Intrepid]

Isn't that the guy from "Munich" (as Mossad assassin)?
And from Black Hawk Down, too, if I remember that correctly.


Well, there is also still Bruce Greenwood.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

And from Black Hawk Down, too, if I remember that correctly.

You do I quite liked his performance in the film, part of why I might be able to tolerate STXI...

 

[Theta Sigma]

New trailer:
Watch Star Trek Super Bowl XLIII TV Spot - MovieWeb

 

[Knight]

New trailer:
Watch Star Trek Super Bowl XLIII TV Spot - MovieWeb

looks good, though I have to question the power ranger suits they use when skydiving....

 

[Wheller]

i've had mixed feelings about the entire movie. Star Trek is almost dead in my eyes.

i've been debating whether or not to go and see it. i think i will. and if its a flop. i think it will kill the whole series for me.

but we might get lucky and it be really awesome!

or is that just wishful thinking?

 

[Theta Sigma]

Ben McEachen in his review in the Sydney Sunday Telegraph gave the film 4 and a half stars.

With the headline "New enterprise will reach for the stars" he says that it is the first true blockbuster of 2009.

He says that it appeals to both die hard Trekkies and first timers.

Of the cast he describes Zachary Quinto's portrayal of Spock as "the best example of the cast's ablity to forge their own identity, while reverently echoing the past."

 

[Cylon]

I enjoyed it though some of the plot suprised me.
The cast was very good, especialy Spock and Scotty.

 

[Borg_Queen]

Be careful with what any of you says here now, though. I would recommend that if you do want to talk about what happened in the movie that you put it in spoiler tags as not everyone here has seen it yet.

I have yet to see it, but it is being shown in Norway right now (the 8th. was the first day).

 

[Majestic]

Borg Queen is right, I won't be able to get to this this movie to at the earliest next week but more realisticly it will be longer.

So remember to use the spoiler tags: [noparse]

Spoiler: title

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[Theta Sigma]

Spoiler

I have heard beforehand that this movie was going to be a reboot of Star Trek. That it does. However its discontinuity with the other Star Trek movies and TV shows is explained with it being an alternative reality caused unwittingly by future Spock (Leonard Nimoy).
The movie could easily have been a straightforward telling of how Kirk got command of the Enterprise but adding Nero (in a very good performance from Eric Bana) and alternate reality to the mix was certainly a bold approach to take.
All this has helped the movie to tell a solid story even though I did find many parts of the beginning to be very slow. The execution overall however is pretty good.
The casting of the Enterprise crew has been well picked. Chris Pine makes a fine replacement for William Shatner as James T Kirk and I am especially impressed with Anton Yelchin's portrayal of Chekov. Simon Pegg does well in his pretty different portrayal of Scotty (at least different from the way I remember the late James Doohan played him) and surprised that Deep Roy is here as Keenser.
Spock and Uhura as a couple, really did not see that coming.
Although they appeared briefly praise has to be given to Jennifer Morrison and Winona Ryder as Kirk and Spock's mothers respectively.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

Spoiler: Star Trek

Personally I felt it was a good film, but a mediocre Trek flick. The whole alternate universe explanation seemed like an afterthought to me, not a decent reason. Anyone else catch Paul McGillion's Cameo?

 

[Theta Sigma]

Spoiler: Star Trek

Personally I felt it was a good film, but a mediocre Trek flick. The whole alternate universe explanation seemed like an afterthought to me, not a decent reason. Anyone else catch Paul McGillion's Cameo?

Spoiler

Yeah I spotted him.

Also I have been wondering how many long-time Trekkies were going to appreciate the alternate reality device being used here.

 

[Aerilon]

I've not long got back from watching this new Star Trek movie, and to be totally honest with you folks, I both enjoyed the film, and was disappointed by it.

I'll start with the disappointments.

Please See:

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#1: The USS Kelvin - A ship with 800+ crew, and a hull full of Shuttles. The Kelvin is smaller than the Enterprise (or your typical Constitution Class starship). The Constitution is about 1/6th the size of the Galaxy Class (overall). A Galaxy Class can hold roughly 1500 people, so I question what the Kelvin was doing with a crew of 800, that 800 which could have not possibly fit onto that ship.

In addition to the crew, how many shuttles did this ship have? During the scene when the Kelvin rammed Nero's ship, we saw a fleet of shuttles passing the sun. How could that many shuttlecraft fit into the hull of the Kelvin? It just doesn't seem possible. On top of that, there seemed to be an awful lot of shuttles in the rear of the Enterprise too... Just where do they keep the crew quarters these days?

The word TARDIS springs to mind here. Obviously the Enterprise and Kelvin are bigger on the inside, than they are on the outside.

#2: Nero, the Bald Romulan, and his misfit crew, of more Bald Romulan's (I do believe we saw one with hair too). I don't get the tattoos either, they just didn't work, not for a Romulan. Was it just me, or did his ship, his crew, and the general scheme of things just shout 'Shinzon' and 'Scimitar'. They might as well have had a crew full of Reman Soilders.

#3: The Federation Fleet - I am beginning to suspect that those heading the Federation are in fact, dumb. Why is it, that it seems every capable ship is sent away from Earth during a crisis? When Nero's ship came to Earth, there was no defence. No fleet standing there ready to fight for the Federation.

Sure, a lot of their ships were in that one sector (I forget its name), and the rest were around Earth, but then went to Vulcan. Why? Even if Vulcan was in trouble, why send every last resort out to help? If there were a cloaked Klingon or Romulan fleet just popping by, Earth would have been easy pickings.

#4: Romulus (and the Romulan people). Not so technologically advanced as one might have thought. I don't know what era Spock and Nero came from, but we can presume it is after the time of the Enterprise-D, and quite possibly, Enterprise-E.

That being the case, would it not be safe to conclude that the Romulan people are more than capable of abandoning their planet? It is rare that a Supernova just happens, usually there are going to be signs (there must have been, else Spock wouldn't have had time to build his little science ship). So why on Earth didn't they evacuate Romulus before their Sun exploded?

In addition to that, what does that sun exploding have to do with the Federation? Why was it their fault? Nero blamed Spock (because he was trying to help), ok, but I still don't see what the Federations involvement was during the destruction of Romulus.

#5: New Aliens - I don't understand the reason for them adding new species in here. We had several species which we've never seen before. Instead of half of them, could we not have had some Andorian's, Tellarite's, more Vulcan's etc?

And for the Satisfaction:

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#1: The new Enterprise - After seeing the design, I originally didn't like it at all. I thought it was too futuristic for the era it was set in. However, having watched the film, and having seen it in action, I've come to terms with it not being so bad. The only thing I'd change are the nacelles and size of the deflector dish (these, in my opinion, still seem out of place).

#2: The fact that we got to see several Federation designs, not only with the Enterprise and Kelvin. Granted we didn't get to see a lot of them in great detail, but for the most part, we got the general gist if their shape and size. I had feared we'd only get to see two new designs, and we saw more. I was quite impressed with that.

#3: The D7 / K't'inga during the Kobayashimaru - A welcome sight I thought. Granted the Klingon's were never shown, it was nice to see a friendly design on the screen.

#4: The Humour - Always good to see in any movie, even if a serious one. The fact Sulu left the brakes on was good, along with Scotty being beamed into a water tank, and beaming Kirk / Spock onto the main bridge. Must love the humour if nothing else, I thought it was a winner.

#5: The Cast and Crew - Got to hand it to them, they did a great job. Each of the actors portrayed their role well, and done a superb job. I thought that Scotty was a bit different from the character we've come to know over the years, but everyone else worked well in their redefining moments.

And finally, the other things that didn't quite fit in to either of the above categories:

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#1: The Spock - Uhura romance. I honestly didn't see that one coming. From the Trailers, it made out that it was Kirk, and not Spock that was going to end up in the romance with Uhura. I would say it added a nice twist, but I am unsure if this is a better thing, or worse.

#2: The Klingons - I know they were mentioned, but we never actually saw them. I think it would have been nice to see those 47 Klingon ships (and a few Klingon faces) fight Nero. It wouldn't have been too long a scene, just some weapons fire and ship destruction. I just think it would have been nice to see the Klingons in some way. Maybe in the next 2011 movie?

#3: Vulcan (gone boom) - This adds something to this new 'refurbishment' of Trek. Vulcan (throughout all past shows) has been a planet of considerable importance, it was one of the planets that helped found the Federation. Because of the events in the latest film, we've got two conclusions. We either assume that the new planet the remaining Vulcan's go too, is renamed to Vulcan, and named that way onward, or, the planet name 'Vulcan' died with the destruction of it.

There are two ways of looking at that, if we take the first, then everything we've seen in any show and movie can still be made sense of. If we take the second, then that contradicts everything in every other show (excluding Enterprise).

#4: The Orion - I was surprised to see an Orion girl in the movie, especially enrolled with Starfleet. Considering how the Orion Syndicate is a race of Pirates and Bandits throughout ENT and TOS, I did not expect to see them where they were.

#5: The Enterprise Construction / Launch - I know we saw her being built on ground, but it would have been nice (I thought) to have seen her being launched, or put together in space. It would also have been nice if they'd have mentioned the USS Constitution, maybe stating that the Enterprise was the 2nd or 3rd of her kind. Something to that extent.

And finally, time lines, and time travel. Normally, I'd bring up the USS Relativity, USS Aeon, and Daniel, but to be honest, I see little point. I have ultimately decided that the Trek timeline we know and love, is in fact, three. I know some people will argue this, but to be honest, it is the only conclusion that gives anything any meaning.

First, we've have the 'original' timeline. That being, TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY, along with all the movies from The Motion Picture, through too Nemesis. That would be the first (and original) timeline. Following that, we'd have the ENT timeline. I believe this is a completely different set of events, more specifically because we've never heard of the Suliban or Xindi since. And thirdly, we'll have this latest one, following Abram's timeline.

Some people may say that the ENT timeline could be the same one as Abram's new one, but I'd like to keep them separate until the Xindi show up with Spock.

 

[Theta Sigma]

To Australian viewers:
David and Margaret in At The Movies both gave the film four stars. Margaret however mistakenly refer to Nero as Klingon instead of Romulan. This mistake is bizarre since she later says that she had been a fan of the TV series!

It also included an interview with JJ Abrams and Eric Bana. Abrams says that he was not a Trek fan but got excited with the challenge of doing a version of Trek that actually was exciting to him and felt like he could connect with it.

Eric Bana in his interview said that he was not Trekkie but had been a fan of the TV series when he was a kid.

 

[Jeddy]

ive just watched it, sadly, do to the time of year and my continuous lack of money, i wasnt able to visit the cinema and get the full scale of the event, I still enjoyed it thoroughly!

There were a few grips but i ask you to find a film everybody loves unconditionally.

first

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Cadet to captain... not bad for a few days work! - I was a little annoyed that it was so "Easy" for kirk to get intot hat captains chair, I know in the story he saved earth and all, but still they decided to promote an otherwise untested person straight to the position of captain... of their flagship no less!

I mean captain of a smaller ship (Poetically a kelvin class) Would have been better imo, but then i guess it wouldnt be start trek if kirk wasnt commanding the enterprise... so i can make peace with that.


The Uhura and Spok thing - i was pretty shocked when i saw the tuirbo lift scene, but then i guess it emphasises spock's humanity so i can get over that.

I loved the humour, while it was a bit daft in places, it did break up the film, so it wasnt all doom and gloom "God we are all screwed".

Bones - I thought bones was brilliant, i was kinda sceptical when i saw who was playing him, admitedly ive seen him in two films, Chronicles of Rid**** and LOTR and im hard pressed to see the difference in teh way he prtrayed these characters, however, in this he did good!

Spock - OMG! ITS SYLAR!

the cast - Excellent i thought, i admit i was a little confused as to how Simon Pegg beat Paul McGillion to the role of Scotty, but i must admit it fitted better than i would have thought.

Designs - Loved them, Ive always liked the design for the new enterprise, and the Kelvin, the one thing we all should remember about this film when we watch it is that we should forget everythign we know, that may be esier for me, as i havent seen much of TOS but i think renewing the designs filled the gap between TOS and TMP. and also, what looked like a proxima variant.

And IN regards to some of your points Transmission

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Im sure i read somwhere about this film "Forget what you know" so with regards to the new aliens its something new, and potentially somethign Roddenberry would have put into TOS should the ability have been available to him at the time, also the romulans, are someting different as well, for the same very reason - to be different from what we know.

And with regards to the Numerous numbers of lives that daddy kirk saved it is entirely possible they made these ships are bigger than what we may consider "standard" sizes, imo this isnt just a new interpretation of Star Trek, Its a new series.

All in all to sum up.... BRING ON THE SEQUEL!

 

[Jeddy]

sorry about the double post but...

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Was listening to my play list and got reminded of something....


BEASIE BOYS IN STAR TREK!? WHAT ON EARTH!!

Dont get me wrong, i love the song, and it was good to hear it again, just never saw that coming.

 

[Lord_Trekie]

Spoiler: Spoiler

I too was reminded deeply of Shinzon and the Remans when I saw Nero and his ship, kinda annoyed me. I was also miffed by the whole Cadet to Captain thing, seemed kinda stupid to me...