What Would You Want in a Star Wars Mod?

[Adm_Z]

I see. Well, Dark Jedi, and Light Jedi, and then Bounty hunters seems reasonable to me.

However, I would remind you that the emperor was often times refered to as a Sith Lord.


Anyway, I only stress the inclusion of atleast bounty hunters and jedi because they were heavily used in all three movies. It seems wrong to have a SW mod without jedi.

...and, to a lesser extent, the slave 1(boboa and jango fett)

 

[Avon]

Case in point Death Stars, totaly cannon, completely impractal in this kind of mod. Don't want em; cant use em.

Would make a cool map unit, however. Maybe like that big station/map unit in fleet ops. Even if its just for the sake of eye candy

 

[Majestic]

Why not have it set up where you choose either the Light side or Darkside and progress from The Clone War era right through to where you think it's appropriate to stop. You could do a Star Wars version of K_Merse's Evolution mod.

Would make a cool map unit, however. Maybe like that big station/map unit in fleet ops. Even if its just for the sake of eye candy

I agree that would be awesome to see, having battles with the Death star in the background.

 

[Adm_Z]

Yeah, honestly, both the dethstar and the ISSD would make gread background objects. Especially if you could still control the issd.

i had actually thought that maybe, for each faction, you could have a lightside and a darkside avatar. each acting accordingly.

 

[Starfox1701]

I plan doing maps large enough to handel Star Dreadnoughts Trouble with these beasties is just how hard do I make them to kill Too easy and well whats the point and too hard and well god ships s*** too.

I'd like to do a Death Star surface map for a nice fighter battle but thats alot of work for one map and will have to wait.

As for a march through time thats kinda what the different factions are with the exception of the Vong who are like the SW version of 8472 but with way more back story and development. The 70+ year service life of the ISD shows just how little warship tech changes over the course of this time frame.

 

[Majestic]

As for a march through time thats kinda what the different factions are with the exception of the Vong who are like the SW version of 8472 but with way more back story and development. The 70+ year service life of the ISD shows just how little warship tech changes over the course of this time frame.

I really look forward to seeing what you can pump out. A updated SW mod has been overdue for a long time.

 

[K_merse]

A Clone War - Galactic Civil War mod would be awesome. Especially in FO where you could decide to join the Rebellion or stay with the Empire.

Just to clarify: Dark Jedi are those who are infested by the Dark Side of the Force. Sith is the counterpart order of the Jedi. They were a race many millenia ago, then they become a dark order. However, they killed each other and the Republic defeated them. They realized that there an be only two SIth at the same time: The Master and the Apprentice.
The Jedi thought that they wiped out the Sith, but they only waited for 2000 years for the opportunity to take over the galaxy again. And that opportunity came in the prequel trilogy.

The Sith has much more knowledge in the Force and they are much more powerful than any Dark Jedi ever could become. The latter only knows the Dark Side while the Sith studied it for millenias, they virtually live IN the Dark Side. You always can find a spark of the light side in a dark Jedi. Not in a real Sith.

 

[Adm_Z]

I see... I remember the only two sith thing being mentioned I just remember them calling alot of people sith too. Starkiller was called a sith in TFU, and Ventress was called a sith as well, but in the movies, there were always only two. Anyway. It would make sense that you might choose to enlist a dark jedi, or Sith assassin, instead of an actual sith as there would be only two sith and they couldn't really be spared.

Maybe there is a difference between an actual sith and a Sith Warrior? Because that would explain Starkiller, Ventress, and all the loads of other(imo non canical) bad guys.

I actually like the idea of being able to play through and then maybe, after a certain point, you would be prompted to choose a new side, however you have the problem of your existing units. You wouldn't want to choose to be rebels while you still had CIS stuff.

I think the easiest way to do it would be either a light side and dark side avatar for each race, or simply a good and bad avatar for each era. The latter wold be simplest because you couldn't have the Empire against the republic, etc.

If you had all 4 eras, each with the light side or dark side choice, it would be cool because when you selected your race, you would first choose to play as lightside admiral or a darkside, and have passive buffs for your ships, in addition to being able to call a dark jedi rather than a light jedi. The only problem is that you might have Empire against Replublic or CIS against Rebels.



Of course, if you didn't want to use avatars at all, You could just stick with the original idea of being able to enlist any of the three at any point at in the game(only one at a time of course) I kinda like that myself. It makes it nice and simple and you don't have to mess with copys of ships and other things that come with avatars.

 

[Starfox1701]

you couldn't have the Empire against the republic

Why not. Couldn't a large part of the military, including the clone commanders who had been given more independent nature, side with the Jedi and keep on fighting the Emperor?

 

[Adm_Z]

Eh, I suppose. It is nice to keep those kinds of options open. So just do it normal, without avatars, and at a trading station or something, you get the option to hire a bounty hunter ask for Jedi Protection or enlist a Sith Assassin.

 

[Zelph]

Why not. Couldn't a large part of the military, including the clone commanders who had been given more independent nature, side with the Jedi and keep on fighting the Emperor?

Some, maybe. But the way they were programmed with those special 'Orders' from their creation would make it pretty hard.

I'd say go with an 'Evolution-Style' mod too. Thing is, that the Rebellion ended up using Old Republic, CIS, and Imperial ships. From what I remember, they even had some Trade Federation Battleships(Lucrehulks) around the time of a ANH.

 

[Terra_Inc]

Some, maybe. But the way they were programmed with those special 'Orders' from their creation would make it pretty hard.

As far as I've heard, there was no "programming", the Orders were just scenarios with predefined actions to be taken. It was just the obedience of the clone troopers that kept them from questioning the Order.

 

[Adm_Z]

As far as I've heard, there was no "programming", the Orders were just scenarios with predefined actions to be taken. It was just the obedience of the clone troopers that kept them from questioning the Order.

Yeah, I would like to believe that the clones simply believed that the Jedi had turned on the Chancellor, and because they had trained for that situation they did not even question the truth of the matter.

However, if games like TFU are considered canon, then we are to believe that they were hardcoded with the inability to disobey that order. As evident in General Kota's small militia.

That, and I had always thought that clones didn't live very long because of their accelerated life span.

 

[Majestic]

Why not. Couldn't a large part of the military, including the clone commanders who had been given more independent nature, side with the Jedi and keep on fighting the Emperor?

There was a book where several Clones refused Order 66 and went rogue and Vader was ordered to hunt them down just like the surviving Jedi.

I was thinking of doing a mod a while back where a small battlefleet was on a long-range mission and were away from the Republic when order 66 was activated and when they returned they were loyal to their Jedi Commanders and started to fight the Empire. I say all bets are on whichever way you go Starfox, you have so many possibilities in where you can go with this mod.

Yeah, I would like to believe that the clones simply believed that the Jedi had turned on the Chancellor, and because they had trained for that situation they did not even question the truth of the matter.

However, if games like TFU are considered canon, then we are to believe that they were hardcoded with the inability to disobey that order. As evident in General Kota's small militia.

That, and I had always thought that clones didn't live very long because of their accelerated life span.

It is canon as Lucus signed off on it so it's an official part of the Star Wars history. As satetd earlier by someone, I think K_Merse or Starfox, pretty much everything released is canon as Lucus approves everything before it's published.

 

[Terra_Inc]

It is canon as Lucus signed off on it so it's an official part of the Star Wars history. As satetd earlier by someone, I think K_Merse or Starfox, pretty much everything released is canon as Lucus approves everything before it's published.

Mr. Lucas stance towards EU literature/games has been made clear several times: It's 'canon' as long as it doesn't contradict the 6 existing movies or anything he does afterwards. Which basically means, he feels free to contradict EU with anything he produces. It's not bad, but it also means that every writer can interpret stuff as he sees fit and add his interpretation to the 'canon'. Which in turn makes the canon inherently contradictory.

What I want to say with it is this: If we declare a game with statement A canon, then we declare several books with statement NOT-A canon, too.

 

[Adm_Z]

Mr. Lucas stance towards EU literature/games has been made clear several times: It's 'canon' as long as it doesn't contradict the 6 existing movies or anything he does afterwards. Which basically means, he feels free to contradict EU with anything he produces. It's not bad, but it also means that every writer can interpret stuff as he sees fit and add his interpretation to the 'canon'. Which in turn makes the canon inherently contradictory.

What I want to say with it is this: If we declare a game with statement A canon, then we declare several books with statement NOT-A canon, too.

This is exactly Why i like to stick with only what Lucas himself writes, i.e. the movies, and maybe the Clonewars series(I"m not sure if he wrote those or not but I would go either way with the canon nature of that series) If you stick to only what he wrote, you don't have to worry when he rights something new unless it contradicts something he wrote earlier....

Either Way, it doesn't matter much for the purposes of this mod. From what I would say, just because it doesn't contradict the movies doesn't mean you should do it. Like, for instance, the clones; Just because nobody said they all turned on the jedi doesn't mean we can assume that some didn't.

but this can go both ways. ultimately, it is up to you.

 

[Starfox1701]

Not saying some did only that it is possible. My point of veiw is informed not just by what is but by what is possible

 

[K_merse]

The adventure games are always canon. KotOR 1-2, Jedi Academy, TFU 1-2, which has multiple endings are a bit tricky. So far, always the "light ending" was the canon one, however, we don't know anything about TFU 2. But TFU made a huge mess indeed...

However, games like Force Commander, Empire at War and similar games are not canon.

I could imagine a Jedi vs. Empire fictional scenario.
Let's say that the Jedi were more effective and they gop pretty close to Sidious a few months earlier than he wanted to. In this case his only chance is to execute Order 66, but as the Jedi are already aware of Sidious' deeds, much more of them avoids their fate. And they can keep much more clones together (by the way, the book Maj mentioned is called Dark Lord - Rise of Darth Veder). In addition, Sidious' desperate attempt to kill the Jedi reveals his intention to the Senate, which causes a huge politcial turmoil.
In the end, the Senate, and with it,t he whole Republic separates to two pieces: one who follow Palpatine/Sidious and one who support the Jedi. With a separated Republic, the Clone Wars become a new war: Republic vs. Empire.

EDIT:
There are no controversies in official games and books. If there seems to be any, then check it on Wookiepaedia, you'll find an explanation or solution there.

 

[Starfox1701]

TFU2 Covers the birth of the Rebel Alliance. From Wookieepedia

The Alliance to Restore the Republic (also known as the Alliance to Restore Freedom to the Galaxy,[1] the Rebel Alliance and, informally, as the Rebellion), was a loose alliance of planetary-, system-, and sector-level forces formed in direct military opposition to the Galactic Empire. It was originally formed by a group of Loyalists, united by Galen Marek, determined to preserve the ideals of the Galactic Republic. The Corellian Treaty and the Declaration of Rebellion formally organized the Alliance, and the crest of the Marek family stood as the symbol of the Alliance after his act of redemption on the Death Star.

As for conflicting time line that won't really be a problem unless some one is carring around a campain in their pocket and didn't tell me MP and skirmish battles are all 1 offs and while I might be able to setup some historical type fights the campain editer being worked on is no where near mature yet

 

[Adm_Z]

Yeah, I think most of that is covered in TFU 1 but you might want to put it under a spoiler tag. Some here might not have played that game.

 

[Starfox1701]

Trust me man that is the uber light version of the explanation. Think of it as a teaser. It gives you a nuget of info but not really enough to figure out the games real storyline. If you want that you will have to look it up or play the game

 

[Adm_Z]

I only said that to protect those who don't know. I actually own the game for both PC and ps3.

 

[Terradyhne]

The adventure games are always canon. KotOR 1-2, Jedi Academy, TFU 1-2, which has multiple endings are a bit tricky. So far, always the "light ending" was the canon one, however, we don't know anything about TFU 2. But TFU made a huge mess indeed...

However, games like Force Commander, Empire at War and similar games are not canon.

Empire at War is a Lucas-Arts game so you can't say it's not canon, this is like saying StarWars is not invented and made by George Lucas

back to topic: i want in a StarWars mod something with the first Jedi-Sith wars or the Stark Hyperspace War or the Yuuzahn Wong

 

[K_merse]

I meant of course that the story in it is not canon.

 

[Terradyhne]

I meant of course that the story in it is not canon.

yes its more like a mix of storys from the StarWars Universe

 

[Starfox1701]

Speaking of stories any one seen this?

http://www.Impstherelentless.com

Submiting link for aproval please

 

[Majestic]

The link looks okay, next time please PM the admins before posting it.

 

[Starfox1701]

Roger that. the 2 movies rock!

 

[Adm_Z]

Those are great. +1 to you man.

Have you seen this one? I"m sure most of you have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bocmVZXXY8w&feature=related

kinda along the same lines.

 

[Starfox1701]

Oh yes I remeber that from back in the day. Troops was one if the first good ones.