Are we on the brink of WW3?

[Majestic]

But, yes Majestic, I really hope you're right . . .

I usually am.

Just joking, but in this case I really hope I am.

 

[TM150]

LOL Me too

But now Lebeanon want to attack NO!!!

 

[Masterjon911]

i dont think world war 3 will happen thats all i have to say on this.

 

[Elrond]

Well, I hope you're all right, that world war three won't happen. I guess we just have to hope for the best but sadly, expect the worst.

 

[Syf]

I hope WW3 doesn't come out of this.

As we all nkow, Israel just started their invasion of Lebanon. Now we have to wait and see if Iran or Syria gets involved more directly. Either way (world war or not) this is going to have a long term effect on the rest of the world.

 

[Masterjon911]

i agree with you on that but i dont think world war will come of this.

 

[TM150]

Profecies said so.... Well I hope there is no war... (WW) becuase there is a war.

 

[Queen_Amy]

I saww another post llike this before. All I can say I only hope it doesn't come tto that.

 

[Harrie]

I agree and hope with all my being that there is no war. But I also believe this hope is naive.

Let's take a step back and examine the history of the region from the last world war. I think you'll see like I have, even if you don't agree that this was bound to happen, that the entire area is a powder keg.

In 1948, right after Israel was established as a nation armies from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq invaded with every intention of destroying them. The UN stepped in and the true issue was never resolved.

In 1956 Egypt went to war with Israel, Britian, and France over the Suez Canal. Again the UN stepped in, this time with the first ever use of UN Peackeepers. UN forces stayed until 1967, with brings us to the next stop on the trip.

In 1967 we have the ever popular Six-Day War. It ended as a humiliation for the militaries of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq. The UN did nothing.

In 1973 Egypt, Syria, Jordan, and Iraq got their revenge by attacking on the day of Yom Kippur, some religious holiday I won't pretent to understand. Over all UN intervened and stepped on a bunch of toes to force a peace out of a stalemate. Again the true issue was not resolved.

Between 1982 and the present, Israel has been in numerous conflicts with arab radical group, including Hezbollah.

Now that we've all had a history lesson that took me two hours to type up and have some idea of what lead up to this, lets talk about what I've been calling the 'true issue'.

To paraphrase a quote from Kingdom of Heaven, we have Arab temples on top of catholic temples on top of Roman temples on top of Jewish temples.

What I see here is a damned blood fued. A war between people who don't, can't, and likely never will like each other because of a little thing Intrepid was right to not want to trust. God.

God? God won't help us. Believe in god will only make this situation more worse.

I see religion as the catalyst for all the problems in that region. Now, I want to make clear that I am not a religous man so it's easy for me to say that.

I dislike war was much as the next guy but I see these conflicts as leading up to, for lack of a better term, an 'end-all-conflict' that has to happen whether it takes place in the halls of diplomacy or the fields of battle.

 

[Majestic]

I personally think a World Wide Organization should be created, weather it is a department of the UN or something new that actually controls all the armies/armed forces/weapons of the world (all countries, not selected countries).

But I do not see that happening in our lifetimes.

 

[EAS_Intrepid]

Very good post, Harrie!

In the Six-Day-War Israel attacked and the UN did, as already stated, nothing.
The UN always intervened when the Arab nations played mad at Israel, but never intervened when Israel played mad at the Arabs or the Palestinians. That is a porblem, becausse now Israel does not hear to the world body that eventually allowed Israel to exist after all. Instead, it is killing UN Soliders, even after ten plees for a cease-fire on their UN Post. (China now lives up to the world power role and commanded the Israeli Ambassador to the foreign minister and demanded full investigation and help to the family of the dead Chinese UN etc)
However, Israel is now in a de facto state of war with Hezbollah or parts of Lebanon. In a war, there is shooting on both sides, but Israel says "we are allowed to bomb their kindergartens, but they are not allowed to bomb ours."
Israel has the right to defend itself, but they went too far this time.

Semi-independent from the Israel question...
The problem is and that happens everywhere in conflict zones, that the moderate people are now very weak. The bombardement forces the people to radical groups simply because these groups talk of "revenge". Moderate groups still talk of a cease-fire or a peace with what is an enemy for many people then.
Another example of such a conflict: Chechnya.
Someone yesterday said to me "You criticise Israel, but if Russia would do this you would cheer." Nope.
Russia's slaughter in Tchechnya is another of these steps that went too far. Since the Soviet Union broke down, many republics (that form the Russian Federation) wanted freedom from the big brother in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Such as the region on the Caspian Sea.
But to cut the history short, Islamist groups gained more and more power in that region, where Moslems are a minority. But they managed to influence most parts of the population. Then, when Jelzin was in charge, the conflict escalated as Chechnya after more urgent calls of independence.
Jelzin sent troops and since then this region is a slaughter house.
Then the conflict calmed a bit down. Putin came to power, because drunken Jelzin stepped back in late December 1999.
Then a series of bomb threats and explosions went through Moscow and the Caspian Sea region. In Moscow there were civilians the target, in Chechnya and neighbourhood mostly offices of the KGB successors.
Then Putin moved in again and it was a slaughterhouse again. The Russian Army retaliated with full strength and brutality. Putin had the public opinion on his side. Basically he fought that war to improve the poll ratings! The bombs made the people angry about Chechnya and they wanted it quiet down there.
And when Putin began trying to eradicate the troublemakers, he drove all moderate Chechnyan groups to the fundamentalists.

Mr. Olmert of Israel is not a popular politician as his precedessor Ariel Sharon. He is said to be a weak man for Israel.


However, in Israel, as to a certain degree also in Chechnya, Afghanistan etc, the people kill each other because of an invisible being living in the sky and that existence cannot be proved by any of these groups. Sorry to say that, but it is kinda stupid.

I personally think a World Wide Organization should be created, weather it is a department of the UN or something new that actually controls all the armies/armed forces/weapons of the world (all countries, not selected countries).

That was the Disarmament Committee of the UN General Assembly for. But yes, certain industrial nations that are on the top of the economy ratings insits not to co-operate.

 

[Harrie]

However, in Israel, as to a certain degree also in Chechnya, Afghanistan etc, the people kill each other because of an invisible being living in the sky and that existence cannot be proved by any of these groups. Sorry to say that, but it is kinda stupid.

But don't you see, that is why they fight. Because if you can't prove its existance you also can't disprove its existance. Religion is a major stumbling block for peace, whether you call your chosen diety Yahweh (Judaism), Allah (Islam), Shiva (Hindu), or plain ol' God (Christianity) it will always seem to get in the way. Especially since Allah has problems with all three it seems.

I hate to deal in in extremes and to sound like a warmonger but I can't see peace in the middle east until we have either a bunch of Jewish nations or no Jewish nations.

 

[Masterjon911]

Well if world war III does come then I think the UN will put all power to try and stop it. But like so many people say Bush has no reason to be in the Middle East
I agree with him. He has 5000 reasons to be there... the lives lost on 911 and World Trade Center.

Grammar and spelling fixed - Intrepid.

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