Voyager or DS9, which do you prefer and why?

[Majestic]

Voyager was ridiculously over powered compared to any other ship! lol But with the Defiant it actually makes sense since its supposed to be a badass Federation warship.

Actually I'm the other way around believing that the Defaint was more overpowered than Voyager. I'm an avid Voyager fan and believe it was the best series, even with it's few issues it had. At least in my view and opinion it had more consistency than DS9.

 

[Eisenhower]

Actually I'm the other way around believing that the Defaint was more overpowered than Voyager

Really, in what way?

I'm an avid Voyager fan and believe it was the best series

WOW, I guess we have too totally different views then. Personally I can't stand Voyager, I'd rather watch Enterprise than that. But too each his own I guess.

 

[Majestic]

Yeah different views, it's something that many Trek fans have in regards to Voyager and DS9. Most prefer one or the other over the other.

 

[Starfox1701]

Yeah different views, it's something that many Trek fans have in regards to Voyager and DS9. Most prefer one or the other over the other.

I prfere DS9 to Voyager but thats mainly because they weren't quite so outlandish in trying to solve problems and kept the the "I don't care whats been done before" moments to a resonable level. It was much worse in Voyager and even worse still in Enterprise. Berrman was lazy and it showed in the quality of each shows feldercarb science.

 

[Eisenhower]

I prfere DS9 to Voyager but thats mainly because they weren't quite so outlandish in trying to solve problems and kept the the "I don't care whats been done before" moments to a resonable level. It was much worse in Voyager and even worse still in Enterprise. Berrman was lazy and it showed in the quality of each shows feldercarb science.

My beef with Voyager is that I watched it after I watched TOS/TNG/DS9, and the episodes just feels like regurgitated versions of those. That's why I mostly avoided watching Voyager's regular episodes but did watch "Scorpion" and "Dark Frontier". Just to rant a bit, I felt like DS9 was the last "original" star trek series in that it tried to do something different than what was done before. Enterprise (early on) and Voyager mostly took the same stories/moral dilemmas etc, etc and either set it in a different quadrant or in the past.

It's like some producer thinks," I got an idea for show, since Enterprise failed lets do a show called "Star Trek Voyeur" starring the crew of the Starship Voyeur and how they get trapped in the gamma quadrant and have to make their journey home. It'll be simple and easy to do, Let's just pull out all of the scripts from the old shows, re-write them for the gamma quadrant and bam you got a brand new series!". And That's how a new Star Trek series is born, also throw in fan service chick, intrepid captain, etc, etc, and you got yourself a new show. Again this is just a rant that I have longed held, I 'm just curious to see how long the producers and writers can keep rinsing and repeating the same, tired, cliched stuff. I was watching Galaxy Quest the other day, incredibly funny movie!, and it made me realize just how much Star Trek has become a parody of itself.

 

[Borg_Queen]

This thread has now become a Voyager vs. DS9, so either I or someone else will move the last posts over to a new thread after this post.
Now I though know that the reason for that Voyager looked similar to TNG and DS9 can have something with that they was made and aired around the same time.
And ENT was the last series so far.

Edit after move: I haven't seen much DS9 yet, s I can't say to much about that series. Though Voyager is among my favorites.

 

[Katala]

Personally I can't stand Voyager, I'd rather watch Enterprise than that. But too each his own I guess.

I love Enterprise and Voyager though Voyager is my favorite but I can't stand TOS or DS9, I've tried watching them and just find it boring, I'd rather read a book tbh. There are just somethings that I just dont like in those series, even though Maj has tried to change my attitude about them (and various other sci-fi shows), he has not yet succeeded

 

[Adm_Z]

Yeah, Voyager, by far, is my favorite. I am just getting through DS9, but my initial opinion is that it is boring and out right lame. Mostly due to the slowness.

Could be because I"m watching Babylon 5 at the same time though.

 

[Jetfreak]

I agree with the producers being foolhardy and plots being rehashed. But the comparing the two shows is frankly unfair. What many people don't realize is that both shows were designed for different audiences.

Ds9 was meant to be gritty and realistic. They even had to thrown in a war.
Voyager went back to the TOS roots being adventurous and just being "out there" in the unknown.

BUT despite VOY's glaring faults, Voyager's design was one of the best in my opinion. Rick Sternbach really nailed that elegant and sleek look.

Spoiler: PS

And speaking of "ripoffs" do I even have to mention the Babylon 5 vs DS9 debacle? Yeah, originality is in short supply, for any show.

 

[Hellkite]

I like them all from TOS to ENT

as such I see no reason for a verse debate it all part of the same tapestry so to speak

Each show has there own flaws but each show has it moments of perfection

it no order just prove my point by naming a few of the top of my head

THE CITY ON THE EDGE OF FOREVER (Star Trek)
THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE (Star Trek)
AMOK TIME (Star Trek)
IN THE PALE MOONLIGHT (Deep Space Nine)
Living Witness (VOY)
Bound (ENT)
JOURNEY TO BABEL (Star Trek)
THE MENAGERIE (Star Trek)
THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS (The Next Generation):
Year of hell part 1&2 (VOY)
ROCKS & SHOALS (Deep Space Nine):
MIRROR, MIRROR (Star Trek):
Borderland (ENT)
Cold Station 12 (ENT)
The Augments (ENT)
BALANCE OF TERROR (Star Trek)
The Omega directive (VOY)
YESTERDAY'S ENTERPRISE (The Next Generation)
ARENA (Star Trek)
Message in a bottle(VOY)
CHILDREN OF TIME (Deep Space Nine):
THE MEASURE OF A MAN (The Next Generation):
Q WHO? (The Next Generation):
SHORE LEAVE (Star Trek)
THE VISITOR (Deep Space Nine)
Hope and Fear (VOY)
In a Mirror, Darkly (ENT)

 

[Starfox1701]

Oh don't get me wrong there are good stories in all the shows and I know the cast all did there best. I just think as time went on the producers and writers got lazy. They let the wonder of Star Trek go in there minds and didn't work as hard to be consistant and as creative as they should have. Plotlines and character development as well as believeablity suffered for it in later shows. This is especialy true of Enterprise where they had the oppertunity for very fresh storytelling and instead chose to relie on the same old same old. Enterprise never lived up to here promise and that was not the fault of the cast. It was the producers who set the tone and therefore their fault when the show came off feeling tired and just for of the same.

 

[Huet]

DS9 tried to tackle some of the issue contemporary with it's release (homosexuality, racism, terrorism, murder, rape, drug abuse, corruption, abortion/surrogacy births to name a few of the things it showed), as opposed to representing the more utopic view from the other series. I'm a fan of both Voyager and DS9, but at different points in the series.
Early on I found Voyager to somehow be more interesting, but as the series dragged on it became more and more generic to me somehow, there were some stellar (no pun) episodes in the later series but overall they were just...samey after awhile.
DS9 is the other way around, the early episodes were more squeaky clean, typical star trek fair somehow, but as that series progressed it became deeper, and darker, plus it had some of the best starshipwarporn out of any star trek series...

There was only one star trek series that I could never get in to, and that was the original series (I actually liked the reboot ).

*edit* Thinking about it, alot of the things covered in DS9 I think were also covered at some point in TNG...

 

[Eisenhower]

Its funny, I didn't watch either series while they were on the air. I was aware of their existence but at the time I was just far more interested in TNG. I've seen DS9 from beginning to end and loved it for the most part. Section 31 story arcs was just awesome, I love that clandestine type stuff. Voyager, like I said earlier, I've mostly skipped around. I just DISLIKE all of the main characters of Voyager so it makes it nearly impossible for me to like it. And the only episodes I do like are the ones that feature the Borg of course, except Unimatrix Zero which was lame. What the borg go into their alcoves and become individuals! really! Oh and on a positive note Jeri Ryan was SUPER SUPER HOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Every episode she's in I'm like :Y

P.S. What I liked most about Enterprise was the birth of the federation storie arcs. I disliked the show too when it was episodic.

 

[Borg_Queen]

In Unimatrix Zero I understood it that there was only a few that became individuals then regenerating. And that was those that had a "flaw" known as dreams which the Borg Queen wanted to remove. It shows up that less than 10% of the Borg had that "flaw", and thus it was only a small part that became individuals then regenerating.

 

[Eisenhower]

In Unimatrix Zero I understood it that there was only a few that became individuals then regenerating. And that was those that had a "flaw" known as dreams which the Borg Queen wanted to remove. It shows up that less than 10% of the Borg had that "flaw", and thus it was only a small part that became individuals then regenerating.
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I still didn't like it though. And actually, not to be offensive to our dear moderator, I never liked the idea of a borg queen. The borg were more menacing as a faceless mob. Where was the borg queen in Scorpion?

 

[Avon]

I like them all from TOS to ENT

As such, I see no reason for a verse debate. It's all part of the same tapestry, so to speak.

Each show has their own flaws, but each show has it moments of perfection

Yeah that. I totally agree.

 

[thunderfoot]

I watched DS9 from beginning to end. I really liked the Sisko character. At the time he was very different from any other Starfleet officer we'd been shown before. I never got to watch Voyager while it was running. I have seen most of the episodes since. I dislike what the writers did with the Seven of Nine character. Why, after they removed the implants and she became part of the crew, did she not wear a regulation uniform? I would have taken the character much more seriously had they not gone to such lengths to emphasize her figure. As it was she was little more than a live action Barbie Doll which was stuck in every scene possible to lure in the 18 to 29 male dempgraphic. I know avid male Star Trek fans who do not know what color Jeri Ryan's eyes are. Some of them may not even be aware she has eyes, lol. Kinda pathetic and sad really. Enterprise did the same thing with T'Pol. Only Vulcan I know who never appeared in robes. Ever. The sad part is both of these actresses, Jeri Ryan in particular, are very talented. I feel had they not gone to the lengths they did to emphasize the physical attractiveness of the actresses playing the roles, it would have been more obvious, not less. I have seen Jeri Ryan in several other films and series and she is very, very good.

Voyager is pretty good too. I like Captain Janeway. She has been presented with an impossible task and must come up with some novel solutions to meet the challenge. When I watch a VOY episode, I am more reminded of the Anabasis rather than other Star Trek series. And this concludes the obligatory reference to obscure Greek classic literature. The Harry Kim character reminds me of every brand new junior officer I ever met when I was in the US Army. He does not know what it is he can do or is needed to do yet, but he wants to do whatever it is very well. He wants to matter, to make a difference. This enthusiasm occasionally gets him into situations with unintended consequences. Hard not to chuckle at Ensign Kim. But my amusement is not intended to be hurtful or mean spirited.

I am a TOS fan. Always will be. There are things about TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT I don't care for. But they are still Star Trek. I have never seen the point of threads like this where somebody wants me to choose one film or series over the other and in effect turn my back on the one not chosen and be disrepectful of it. Smells like FanBoyism to me. And this is always something I am opposed to. Regardless of how well intentioned it is, it always winds up turning into...(insert ominously swelling musical score here) US vs. THEM!! They are Different! They are Not Like Us! And They are Wrong! They Must Be Stopped From Taking Over Everything!!

Back on point. All of the various series and films have their strong and weak points. Plenty of Star Trek for people to find something that suits them to a T. But if you insist on making me publicly declare my allegiance to one particular part of Star Trek over another, maybe I ought to take my warp core and go home.

 

[Katala]

Yeah, Voyager, by far, is my favorite. I am just getting through DS9, but my initial opinion is that it is boring and out right lame. Mostly due to the slowness.

Could be because I"m watching Babylon 5 at the same time though.

I'm pretty much doing the same, But I was starting to watch DS9 and to be honest I fell asleep during every episode, so Maj has started me watching B5 though in my case, to his dismay I fall asleep even faster... he has moved on to the second season and while I find a very few episodes interesting I still can't keep my eyes open long enough to get halfway through one episode.. Maybe I should just stick to reading my books... Somethings some people like and others don't, its just the way it is

 

[Adm_Z]

I'm pretty much doing the same, But I was starting to watch DS9 and to be honest I fell asleep during every episode, so Maj has started me watching B5 though in my case, to his dismay I fall asleep even faster... he has moved on to the second season and while I find a very few episodes interesting I still can't keep my eyes open long enough to get halfway through one episode.. Maybe I should just stick to reading my books... Somethings some people like and others don't, its just the way it is

Heh, I find myself regretting spending so much time watching ds9. It is just not worth my time at the point I am in the series. B5 didn't grab my interest to begin with, but as I watched more it became one of my favorite series of all time. About halfway into season 2 it starts to pick up really fast.

 

[Katala]

B5 didn't grab my interest to begin with, but as I watched more it became one of my favorite series of all time. About halfway into season 2 it starts to pick up really fast.

I'm feeling about the same, as none of the episodes I did manage to watch in season one were of any interest to me but there are a few in season 2 that I'm enjoying so even though I'm loathe to admit it *Maj will now start gloating at me for this * I'm actually partially starting to enjoy it

 

[Adm_Z]

Thats good, you'll enjoy season 3 even more. *evil laugh*Muwahahah!!*evil laugh* I am nearly half way through season 4 now.

 

[Katala]

I might, if I can prevent Maj from his over zealous nature of gloating
Though he is still asleep right now being that it is 5:40am *stoopid insomnia* so I have a few hours before he starts hehe

 

[kjc733]

Oh, tough question. Both, neither. I disliked the earlier DS9s, they were trying to do TNG, but without the ship which makes things difficult. Boldly going without a ship is difficult. It was too nice, too clean (apart from a station that was falling apart), but anything regarding the moral dilemmas of the Marquee were interesting. DS9 got better as the series went on and the crew went into some real dark places. In the Pale Moonlight is one of my favourite Trek episodes - ever. Another favourite is the one where O'Brian is undercover in the Syndicate. I liked the fact that the characters had flaws. The War helped in this respect. That said, the one thing that I hated was the religious element of it, when Sisko went all "I'm the Emissary" it drove me nuts (other than that I liked Sisko).

Voyager I enjoyed because it went back to the roots of Trek - Boldly going where no man has gone before. This was what annoyed me about TNG, considering it was boldly going there were an awful lot of spacedocks. Voyager was out there, on its own and had to cope by bending the rules if necessary. The Janeway-Chakotay mix was great here, it reminded me a bit of the Kirk-McCoy relationship. Now that said, I thought that it lost its way a bit after Scorpion. Don't get me wrong, some of the best Voyager episodes were after this (Year of Hell for example), but they started putting the crew in situations and then had them get out of it by having 7of9 use the latest Borg widget. It's like being invulnerable in a computer game, it gets you through the level but soon gets boring. Similarly with the Borg, jeez did they go wimpy in the Delta quadrant.

So after my rambling disjointed argument with myself... I'm going with Babylon 5.

Katala - sleeping during B5 - sacreledge (ok, I can't spell). But to be fair, S1 was scene setting, S2 was setting up the plot, S3 and 4 is where it all the action happens. Just wait until "Severed Dreams" (my personal favourite), and if you fell asleep during "Babylon Squared" then go back and re-watch it! The thing to remember is that it is all important (well, with one or two exceptions), everything is part of one big story and when you get there you'll see all the pieces fit together.

 

[Katala]

Katala - sleeping during B5 - sacreledge (ok, I can't spell). But to be fair, S1 was scene setting, S2 was setting up the plot, S3 and 4 is where it all the action happens. Just wait until "Severed Dreams" (my personal favourite), and if you fell asleep during "Babylon Squared" then go back and re-watch it! The thing to remember is that it is all important (well, with one or two exceptions), everything is part of one big story and when you get there you'll see all the pieces fit together.

In my defense I think half my issue might not be the program itself, might be something to do with my insomnia that keeps me up anywhere from 1am onwards and all the stuff I've had to do for the wedding just wearing me out to the point that by the time I get to watch it I'm just passing out from exhuastion more than from boredom hehe *lets not tell Maj tho*

 

[Terra_Inc]

To be honest, I think that B5 was one of the best shows I've seen so far. They recently reran the entire show here and it was fantastic. Awesome story, cool races, realistic space battles and kick-a** characters. I mean, what more could one want? Uh.. wrong question...

DS9 vs. VOY, yes. Personally, I really enjoyed Voyager. They had some strange plot ideas (really, I think I've missed the first two seasons, maybe that wasn't bad) and some ****py episodes (Threshold, anyone? There is a reason why Bernd Schneider refers to it as Trashhold). The same can be said about DS9 (most of the episodes before the introduction of the Dominion were meh). Where DS9 had awesome wartime stories, Voyager had awesome crazy races (pun intended). In retrospective, DS9 had more good episodes. But sit down and watch Scorpion, or Dreadnought, or Year Of Hell, and then try to tell me that Voyager was ****py. It was, kind of, but sometimes it was plain good old AWSUM.

 

[Eisenhower]

To be honest, I think that B5 was one of the best shows I've seen so far. They recently reran the entire show here and it was fantastic. Awesome story, cool races, realistic space battles and kick-a** characters. I mean, what more could one want? Uh.. wrong question...

DS9 vs. VOY, yes. Personally, I really enjoyed Voyager. They had some strange plot ideas (really, I think I've missed the first two seasons, maybe that wasn't bad) and some ****py episodes (Threshold, anyone? There is a reason why Bernd Schneider refers to it as Trashhold). The same can be said about DS9 (most of the episodes before the introduction of the Dominion were meh). Where DS9 had awesome wartime stories, Voyager had awesome crazy races (pun intended). In retrospective, DS9 had more good episodes. But sit down and watch Scorpion, or Dreadnought, or Year Of Hell, and then try to tell me that Voyager was ****py. It was, kind of, but sometimes it was plain good old AWSUM.

As I said before my general disdain for the entire cast of the show in someways clouds my vision, but overall I enjoyed DS9 far more than Voyager. I enjoyed seeing more of the Cardassians, Klingons, and Romulans, than seeing new ones every week with very little depth. Also, The recurring characters of DS9 alone, are as entertaining and interesting as the main cast of some television shows. I agree with you about B5! That is one of my favorite T.V. Shows of all time! Scorpion and Dark Frontier, those are the only two episodes/two parters I like from Voyager.

 

[knoschi]

I prefer DS9 because the Crew and enemies are better

 

[K_merse]

I watched DS9 twice, now I'm watching Voy, but I still prefer the first one
The character personality developments are better, the story is more epic (full-scale war in the Alpha Quadrant, yeah!), the whole story seems to be far more detailed. The side stories (Ferengi, secret agent Bashir, holodeck-errors) are much funnier.
And of course, because there is Garak, my favorite character of Star Trek