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The Meanest Mom

Syf

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Anyone read about the "World's meanest mom" in the news yesterday or today? It seems the story is making it's way through every news "AP" group in the world.

Simply, Mom set rules of no booze in the car and keep it locked when she gave her son the car. Son ignored mom, mom caught him, and sold his car for breaking the rules.

If you haven't heard about it, then here's a link to the story on CNN.
'Meanest mom on planet' sells son's car - CNN.com

I'd like to hear what our members think of this.

As a parent myself, I find this "understandable", but a bit extreme. I'm saying, Take away the car, yes, but selling it is a but harsh. But at the same time, I set rules for my kids. This lady set rules with her son, and he broke them, straight and simple. For that, I applaude her for standing firm on her rules.
 

Rodglas

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While I suspect she would not have gone to this extreme if she found the car unlocked I'm glad she stuck to her guns on this. I'd like to shack this womans hand, I'd be doing much the same thing in her shoes.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-12-25-ebay-gifts_x.htm

Dad sells pot-smoking son's 'Guitar Hero III' - Internet - MSNBC.com

Here is a couple of links the sparked here on the east coast. "Dad sell Guitar Hero: III on ebay to punish son" Thats the second link. First link is "Dad sells Nintendo DS to punish children"

Lets discuss all three of these.

Syf, can you rename this thread as "Meanest Parents"

Mom had every right to do that. 1. The mom set some ground rules, son violated. 2. (and most important) The son was underaged!!! I agree with the mom 80%...100% if the mom donated the money to M.A.D.D. (Mothers.Against.Drunk.Driving.)
 
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As a parent myself, I find this "understandable", but a bit extreme. I'm saying, Take away the car, yes, but selling it is a but harsh. But at the same time, I set rules for my kids. This lady set rules with her son, and he broke them, straight and simple. For that, I applaude her for standing firm on her rules. - Syf

I understand her position. She gave her son two rules, Lock the Car & No Alcohol. Seems to me like relatively simple conditions, given that (I'm assuming) she bought the car and he's on her insurance (in TN, Minors are automatically listed on Parents' Motor Vehicle Insurance).

The ad reads: "OLDS 1999 Intrigue. Totally uncool parents who obviously don't love teenage son, selling his car. Only driven for three weeks before snoopy mom who needs to get a life found booze under front seat. $3,700/offer. Call meanest mom on the planet." - CNN

::applauds::

Dad and Mom had warned their sons that the Nintendo DS video system — and the three games that go with it — were headed for the auction block if they didn't get their act together.

The boys pledged to be nice, but were back to their old ways the next morning.

That night, Dad announced that he would indeed be putting $700 in video games up for sale on eBay. The oldest boy double-dared his dad to make good on his word. - USATODAY.COM

Maybe it's because of the fact that I was raised in the South where Disciplie is a major facet of growing up, but I can honestly say that I agree with the Parents' decision, simply because it should have the desired effect of showing them that their actions will have consequences.

TORONTO - A Canadian man who said he sold his 15-year-old son's prized video game, a Christmas gift, on eBay after catching him smoking marijuana has sparked an online debate on who is wrong — father or son.

The unidentified man decided to punish his son by selling the popular and hard-to-find "Guitar Hero III" videogame he had bought him for Christmas for $90 on the auction site where an Australian buyer bid $9,100. It was not known if the sale at that price actually proceeded.

Dad says, "Then, yesterday, I came home from work early and what do I find? My innocent little boy smoking pot in the backyard with two of his delinquent friends." - MSNBC.COM

Again, showing the children that actions have consequences.

As an aside, allow me to explain my reasons for my opinions.

#1 (Mom/Car) - When I was going to school for my degree, I took a job in a local hospital as a Maintenance Man. I can recall three distinct incidents directly wherein kids were brought to the Hospital after having accidents involving Driving Under the Influence (of Alcohol). Since the Hospital was understaffed during the hours I was at work, 11PM-7AM, we were required to assist the EMTs in the unloading of patients if called. One night, I was working on the air conditioning unit on the Sixth Floor when my Pager went off. I rushed downstairs to the EMERGENCY ramp. A 16 year-old girl, her friends, and her 4 year-old sister were out joy-riding. The driver's friends had begun passing around the alcohol, of which the driver partook (B.A.C. was x2 the legal limit). They swerved into the oncoming lane and hit another vehicle. The driver was ejected from the vehicle (killed on the scene), two of the friends in the backseat were uninjured, one in the front passenger seat broke her right arm/right leg. The little girl, however, was in the center of the front seat, not in a seatbelt, and her head impacted the dashboard. When we unloaded her from the Ambulance, she was in a neck brace. Later on in the night, while I was on break, I asked one of the doctors what had happened to the little girl. He told me she was more than likely going to be paralyzed from the neck down, having suffered severe spinal and brain damage in the impact.

I think the mom was in the right, having sold her son's car after violating both of her rules. Every time I hear about incidents involving kids, cars, and alcohol I cannot help but picture that little girl, growing up confined to a wheelchair because kids can't follow the rules.

#2 (Dad/DS) - Can't say as I blame the dad in this story either. From the sound of things, the kids were constantly raising Hell and probably making Home Life incredibly difficult. When we were kids (there were three of us), our Dad worked nights and our Mom worked days, so raising Hell was not EVER an option unless we wanted to get a whippin' (which, amazingly, we got pretty frequently). On top of everything, the kids were warned ahead of time to straighten up or else. If you use the "..or else" card, you had best be prepared to back it up, otherwise you'll be seen as "more bark than bite" by the kids and they'll run all over you until the point when you reach your boiling point and flip out. In my opinion, they should have started laying down the law earlier and enforcing it.

#3 (Dad/GH3) - Guitar Hero sucks anyway (No Irish Bands), but y'know, it could have been worse. If they had been out in a public place, they might have been arrested. I think it takes a lot of courage to BE a parent and a lot more chutzpa to bring 'em up right in this messed up world of ours. By doing this, the dad shows his son that actions have consequences. If smoking a doobie once cost him his favorite video game, what would he lose the next time? Girlfriend? Car? Job? If the kid has any brains in his head, he'll stop and think about this before he sparks up a quail again.

And for the record, I applaud everyone here that has kids. My dad died when I was 15 and my mom took care of us three kids by herself and it is a hard job. You try to keep them happy, but you also have to do right by them as well and it's not easy at all. I don't know what has happened to the world in the last 10 years, but I don't like where it's going. Hopefully by taking charge and teaching your kids the right things, we can roll back the ravages of time and start making it safer to live again.

Honor and Xin Sheng.
 
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I whole heartly agree with EVERYTHING that Tholian just said. I, too, am a parent, and not just a parent, I'm a father of a Down's Syndrome baby. Luckily right now he is just 10 months old, and we have time to prepare ourselves, my wife and I, but he isn't gonna stay that age forever, and are ready to realize life is about to get really hard. REALLY hard. And he will be easliy taken advantage of by other people. Easily influenced. Not only will I have to take care of him 24/7 and keep him happy. But, I will aslo have to make sure he is safe everywhere we go. So I expect my rules to be followed to the strictest level. Now I'm not going to raise him like a Marine Corps. drill sergant. But I will raise him to behave and respect his elders. We will have fun, but we will be safe doing it. With the dad/pot subject. I agree with the dad, BUT, his son was doing it in his house, where he was safe and could stay out of trouble. I would have done the same thing. But afterwards I would have took my son to see what happens to drug addicts. Shown him homeless people, went to a hospital, NA meetings. Used some of the money for drug counseling, stuff like that.

Syf, I thank you for writing this thread. It gives us parents a chance to talk about what it is to be parents. With the exception of YY, This has got to be the best thread on this site. I'm proud of you.
 

Syf

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Parents and kids all need outlets to discuss things and have friends. This thread is about what it is to be a parent, and what it is to be a kid. And how the two sometimes "clash". But in the end, it's about a parent caring enough about their kids to want to rasie them the right way, and understand that there are rules everyone must follow. It's important to have places like this to discuss such issues.

:clap: Great responses from everyone.:thumbsup:

I have to say, I'm eager to see what the younger members have to say also. I mean, we have a large base of under 20 yr olds here. Let's talk about it... And let this be proof that parents are sometimes mean, but it's in your best interest. Like Tholian Storm told of the girl... Mom and Dad can seem mean at times, but is it they are mean, or are they saving lives (yours and your friends lives specifically, both from a fatal accident and /or a life in prison) and being your personal un-sung heros.

Tholian S, My heart goes out to her and her family. Thank you far bringing that to light for our members.

TMC- No need to change the title of the thread... As an admin, I am encouraging discussion and debate related to similar topics in this thread. As long as it's relevent to what parents do to their kids to keep them safe. The current title helps get people's attention. :thumbsup:
 
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while I dont have any kids, I can agree with these parents, there kids broke the rules and should be punished, its like that in real life, you break the law you get punished, so why shouldnt this be the same at home, otherwise how will they learn, and lack of rules at home, is what causes all the youths to be tearing around and in prison.
 
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But afterwards I would have took my son to see what happens to drug addicts. Shown him homeless people, went to a hospital, NA meetings. Used some of the money for drug counseling, stuff like that.

They used to do things like that here with the old "Scared Straight" programs and ones like it. I can't tell you how many school assemblies, class lectures, and such that we attended in grade school. Those programs usually had a profound effect on the way we thought (especially the gut-wrenching field trip to the Memphis Correctional Facility in 7th Grade).

Maybe I'm still the Certified Grade-A Pessimist that I usually am when I discuss things of this nature, but it almost seems like these events have been put in the "Not Enough Funds/Not Our Problem" bin. No schools in this area run these programs anymore and the problems have merely escalated. I'm actually in the process of writing a 'Letter to The Editor' of the local paper on this subject since this very Thread has gotten me on one of my Holy Crusades.

Perhaps ol' T. Storm can lend the local parents a hand. They deserve help.
 

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I grew up with the understanding of what could happen the same as you did T.storm. I was also given the understanding that if I got into trouble, I had better hope that police arrested me and locked me away from my mother. I understood I'd have less punishment if they threw the book at me...:)

And it worked... No bad rap in my sheet.
 
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I never was a "problem child" either. Now don't get me wrong, I had my share in things, but nothing that got in "cop" trouble.

I am so strongly for "scared straight" I believe every single community should have a program just for that. I would love to take some of these no good punks in my neighborhood and let them spend 1 night, 1 whole night in "Gen. Pop." of the local prison. Kind of like a "Stay in a haunted mansion overnight, get a million dollars..." kind a thing. Or take some of these youth smokers and take then to the cancer ward of the local general hospital. Take the Pyros to the burn ward. Stuff like that.

If it wasn't for us parents, where would the world be. I know, I know...Every single one of us who has children ALWAYS says "I will not raise my children like my parents raised me...I'm not going to be my father..." But you know what? You always do, because you know in the bottom of your heart. You know they were doing in the best of your interest. And you want the same thing for your kids too. why mess with a system that has worked for generations. Just modify it a little for today's world.
 
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Indeed. The Ball falls on us parent. The bad thing is, there are millions of parents that don't give a darn about what their kids do. That's what's wrong with our societies. It's moms and dads that stick to making rules and holding firm on those rules that produce decent offspring. So we also need not just focus on the kids, but on the parents too. Too many are self-centered to focus on ther kids.

I was raised to make personal sacrifices for the sake that my kids have plenty to eat, a roof over their heads, and are givin a good education. I admit, I have missed out on things I like, just so I worked that day... In the name of putting food, clothing, and such there for those kids. I've worked so hard, that I have health problems now that could have been avoided if I was not so focused on my kids. And you know what, I wouldn't take any of it back. With the exception of more education before I started making my kids.:lol:

To all those that do not have kids, but believe they will in the future... Stay out of trouble, focus on a very good education. You will need it to be able to supply those kids with the things they need. With the continued increases in cost of goods and service, the more you can make in a good career, then better off you and your family will be.

Also, on another note, most relationships don't stand the test of time... If you end up in a situation, do everything you can to care for them regardless of if you and your partner are not an item... It's only far to the kids, as you made them.
 
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I have never heard it said more beautifully Syf. Sacrifices must be made for or children. But remember, if you can't NUTURE yourself, you can't NUTURE your children. Always put your children first, but leave a little for yourself to, so you can get a hobby. Go watch a movie. Go for a walk. Because if you are worn out, burned out parent. That's going to effect your parenting. That's why there's daycares, babysitters, etc. Even if you take just 5 minutes to stand outside at night and look at the stars just to think "what if" That's 5 minutes that you did for yourself.

Youngins' who are new to parenting, or going to be parents, or even if you are planning parenthood...NEVER be afraid to ask for help. NEVER!!! Ask your parents, ask your grandparents, school teacher...ANYBODY. Just never give up on your kids. If it gets to much...ask somebody for help. There is alot of resources out there for new parents and burned out parents. Use it.

All my faith in all you parents and soon to bes...Always remember, you were a kid once to and how did you treat your parents? Best wishes, Timothy J. McNeeley, Sr. Father of a Down Syndrome child.
 

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I wholeheartedly agree with the parents actions in all cases, when I was growing up, even as a single child I never disobeyed my dad, if I did I usually got a spanking and never did it again.

However, this is the one thing I dread if I become a parent... I've never been one to challenge authority on a large scale, I've also never been in a position where I'm the person being challenged, so I honestly have no idea how I'd react and how it would affect me if any kid(s) I ever had behaved that way...
 

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I completely agree with the parents in the stories. I am a single parent myself. I was never a problem child either. My mom even says that I never got into trouble until I met my ex-wife.
 
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Does anybody else have any opions about this subject?
 

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Well I have no opinions on the parental point of view - but it wasn't that long ago that I was a little kid.

One of the things I'll always remember was that all of the rules set had the same degree of importance. If I hadn't read a book for a week then I'd be punished to the same amount for refusing to go shopping or to school.

I can say that I know how the kids would feel after this to a degree; but what they did was quite bad on the scale of things. Admittedly the most severe punishment I ever had was having my library card removed for a month; but I would have expected nothing less.

From my point of view, which I can see from the earlier stages again due to a little brother growing up, then half of the punishment would be the anticipation. It acted as a deterrent and still does. If you know that doing something that you were specifically told not to will result in an unsavoury situation, then nine times out of ten you'll not do it.

By the time you reach adolescence; then these will become second-nature. For example, as a child I was raised to read a book in a week; not one of those little ones either but a big thick two-hundred page or more novel. Nowadays, I can't get by three days without reading a book - and proof that this helped is the GCSE and A level English degrees that I managed to obtain.

In conclusion then, yes; the parents were right to punish their kids - after all, everyone has to know their limits.
 
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Timothyjmcneeley

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C'mon people. Does any children have any thoughts about these parents. I want to hear what the other side of the fence thinks.
 

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This now has been over a week, and it still being talked about on the radio around here... I guess some news things are more interesting than the normal wash one hears.:)
 

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lol, you appear to have misread the post, it says "wash one hears" not wash ones. I think he means the regular daily news.
 

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That's what I meant. The Normal "news, also known in some parts as "Hog Wash".:)
 
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GGrrrrr! Read my newest post in general chat Titled tell me if you can read this!
 

Syf

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Always post something relevant to the said topic of the thread.

I can't believe the press over the mother selling her son's car... Who would have thought it would have spacked an international debate.

At least, not the Doctor...:lol:
 
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Timothyjmcneeley

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I wonder what other types of "severe" parenting there are?

I'm still waiting to hear from are younger audience. Are you guys telling me everyone is 18+ yrs old here?
 

Syf

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No, we have many "under 20" members.

Perhaps this reminds them of some "harsh" memories.:cool:

It does me!
 
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Timothyjmcneeley

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No, we have many "under 20" members.

Perhaps this reminds them of some "harsh" memories.:cool:

It does me!

Well still I would still to hear from them.
 
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

I wish more mom/dads in my country would do that!!! ESPECIALLY in the town I live in......
It MIGHT help us to keep the death-toll on our roads at holiday times down...
 
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