Terminator: Dark Fate

[Croatian Klingon]

So, guys, what is your opinion/expectations from this upcoming Terminator movie? I suppose you've all seen the trailer, neverthless, i will post it here -

For me - the best terminator movies were the first two. Unique atmosphere that is impossible to replicate today. Despite shallow or clumsy products like Terminator 3 and 4, i didn't hate Terminator: Genisys. I didn't expect it to be classic like T1 or T2, but i appreciated the effort to build some narrative around time traveling and its implications.

Still, despite all previous three terminator movie fails, i don't judge Dark Fate by trailer alone. I am not impressed by trailer, but i never judge movie by just the trailer. I am interested- do you have any expectation from this upcoming Terminator? Do you think return of James Cameron can help the franchise return to the old glory? Do you think we need this movie as moviegoers? Feel free to write whatever you think, and of course, you can comment any previous Terminator movie...

 

[Jetfreak]

Hot take, T2 is like Wrath of Khan of the Terminator franchise. All the movies that followed have attempted to build upon that particular story with varying results. And now we're conveniently ignoring Genysis because it was a whoopsie. And this is the guy who wants to make Avatar sequels set to be released in 20xx something, give me a break. ;p

 

[Croatian Klingon]

Hot take, T2 is like Wrath of Khan of the Terminator franchise. All the movies that followed have attempted to build upon that particular story with varying results. And now we're conveniently ignoring Genysis because it was a whoopsie. And this is the guy who wants to make Avatar sequels set be released in 20xx something, give me a break. ;p

I somewhat agree with you. I am highly skeptical about this, but still, i like Terminator cyborsgs and i like cinema. It's almost a lifestyle for me I will give it a chance, but without expectations. I cannot be dissapointed and in worst case, i will have some shallow, colourful, mindless fun

 

[TUB_Husker]

I'm optimistic. After the last Terminator it can only better. The Trailer
Personally I like T2 and T3, yes T3. When I watch T1 every time I watch t1, I fall asleep, same with Alien 1.

 

[Croatian Klingon]

I'm optimistic. After the last Terminator it can only better. The Trailer
Personally I like T2 and T3, yes T3. When I watch T1 every time I watch t1, I fall asleep, same with Alien 1.

I respect your opinion about T1, but come on? It makes you fall asleep? It's a cyberpunk classic, the most atmospheric Terminator movie ever... While i agree that T3 can be fun, it is very solid action movie, i always despised that it destroyed the optimism of T2 ending. I like time traveling and its implications(reason why i like Genisys) but T3 was just too simple action movie that tried to profit from legendary predecessors, although i like Kristana Loken as Terminatrix, not because she is hot, but because she is very convincing as killing machine

 

[Archonon]

Personally I believe that the original Terminator is the only real "good" film and it stands apart from the rest of the series. The original ended perfectly and had closure, there was no need for a continuation of the story. For me T2, arguably most people's favorite, was just a rehash of the original, simply with better special effects.

With that said, I enjoyed just about all of the Terminator films for what they were. I found all entertaining and decent entries into science fiction. T2, T3, Salvation, Genesys and the Sarah Connor Chronicles all had interesting takes on the continuation of the story. I see T1 through Salvation as one timeline, with Genesys and SCC as alternate universes.

The more I have found out about this new movie however, the less I am interested in it. And frankly, I was pretty uninterested to begin with. This series has run out of steam just about completely at this point and the attempt by Genesys to reboot it in a new direction failed miserably.

My main problem with this flick is pretty much the same problem that I have with STD and Disney Wars (Star Trek Discovery and the newer Star Wars sequels); they try to shoehorn a new canon superimposed on top of the original, making wild changes and claiming to be the "true" continuation of the stories.

Cameron is involved in this film in name only, he isn't the writer nor director. He "developed" a story with a committee of writers (Charles Eglee, Josh Friedman, David Goyer and Justin Rhodes) which was then adapted by members of that committee (Goyer, Rhodes, Billy Ray) into the finalized script. Tim Miller of Deadpool is directing, with Cameron serving as Producer. This does not bode well; a committee of writers often has a hodgepodge of ideas all crammed to fit together with little cohesion or solid connective tissue.

I am not encouraged by the reports that have come out from this film nor the leaked scripts. That Linda Hamilton is back as Sarah has always been a plus but the direction this film has taken her is as unceremonious as her offscreen death in T3. The announcement that Edward Furlong would return to play John Connor, having his adolescent features digitized on top of a child actor, is disappointing and even moreso with the reports that John is killed off as a child and is not important to the resistance anymore, as that role now falls to "Dani Ramos". I dislike the fridging of John, the series' staple center, for some new character who now is the new center, just cause. I don't like the human-terminator hybrid supersoldier of Grace nor the T-1,000,000 played by Luna. Instead of making a better story they simply try to make characters that are absurdly powerful or capable of more fantastical capabilities than the ones from the previous movie. This does not make a better movie, just a more ludicrous one (Fast and the Furious franchise take note).

Just my two cents

 

[Candice Greene]

I can't say I have seen them all, the first 4 I think, and Genesys by complete accident. I tend to agree with Archonon in which I even ask...did we really need a sequel? I mean forget money as the motivation, that's why Hollywood keeps making crappy series of movies as it is. Everything from Beverly Hills Cop, to the Fast and Furious, has been serialized to a point the story is like a deadly cocktail of everything not to do to a movie. In my honest opinion, leave a classic just that, because here we are some 30 years later talking about this sleeper Blockbuster coming out with what...it's sixth, or Seventh film about Characters that had more meaning to me when they were IN the original. Trailer doesn't phase me anymore, I just wish someone would come out a new decent Science Fiction Movie that is Original, and endearing to what MADE the classics worth picking their bones for that last shred of meat.

 

[Croatian Klingon]

I agree with Candice who said that she is not phased by trailers anymore- i am not impressed with "dark fate" trailer myself, yet, i will give it a chance. Archonon well said that some things in Hollywood are repetitive, but i just don't wanna bother myself with reports and trailers. People were overjoyed when "Suicide squad" trailer arrived, and that movie was a pile of s...t. But even then, i gave a chance to Suicide Squad, i am just one of those guys who want to see the full product and all of its intentions. So, no matter how much i don't believe in "Dark Fate" and how much i despise "creativity" of modern Hollywood, i will still go and see it. Probably i won't enjoy it, but, you never know.

 

[Candice Greene]

Then again, I got age. I don't even remember seeing the Trailer for some of the movies I saw some 40 years ago. Sure we had Magazines, but like I told many of my friends, I didn't even know they were Destroying the Enterprise in ST III. That fact alone would be too much knowledge in my mind, but no we have a world of instantaneous information, leaked scenes, and Trailer scenes that may (or may not) even be in a movie. Then again it's torrid of information just splattered in your face, you can't enjoy something (or Pay) for something that will probably be streamed within 7 Days of release. None the less it's my opinion. I can't get back what I had back then, I mean I'll stay up all night to see John Carpenter's The Thing, yet fall asleep watching The Thing. And even the snippet of a Trailer can't bring that feeling back again.

 

[Croatian Klingon]

Well, look at it this way... i was once a movie critic in my country, let's just say i like to get complete impression, despite all the predictability and boredom of modern movie/tv industry. I have to dissect everything i see, if i decide to see it

 

[Candice Greene]

Well, look at it this way... i was once a movie critic in my country, let's just say i like to get complete impression, despite all the predictability and boredom of modern movie/tv industry. I have to dissect everything i see, if i decide to see it

Touche, I'm just a Midlife Tranny that loves Star Trek, Sci-Fi, and have a skill with 3D renders. I tend to become a old fart at times.

:exter:

 

[TUB_Husker]

I respect your opinion about T1, but come on? It makes you fall asleep? It's a cyberpunk classic, the most atmospheric Terminator movie ever... While i agree that T3 can be fun, it is very solid action movie, i always despised that it destroyed the optimism of T2 ending. I like time traveling and its implications(reason why i like Genisys) but T3 was just too simple action movie that tried to profit from legendary predecessors, although i like Kristana Loken as Terminatrix, not because she is hot, but because she is very convincing as killing machine

But this is the strength of T3, the End.
The only bad thing was that the movie dumped Sarah in one sentence was crap. The Rest was super, I like the humor, the sunglasses, the action, ha the crane truck, the rise of Skynet and the begin of the Resistance at the End in the Bunker. I liked John, who had lost himself, a consequence of the end of the second part, from the Redeemer to the loser without a goal, totally understandable. Not really a Hero, he was portrayed as a human with many doubt, which only grows in time.
Only at the end of the film, he began to face his task.
I find T3 was the Terminator with the most story.

 

[Croatian Klingon]

But this is the strength of T3, the End.
The only bad thing was that the movie dumped Sarah in one sentence was crap. The Rest was super, I like the humor, the sunglasses, the action, ha the crane truck, the rise of Skynet and the begin of the Resistance at the End in the Bunker. I liked John, who had lost himself, a consequence of the end of the second part, from the Redeemer to the loser without a goal, totally understandable. Not really a Hero, he was portrayed as a human with many doubt, which only grows in time.
Only at the end of the film, he began to face his task.
I find T3 was the Terminator with the most story.

I like what you sad about John in T3, that he is lost and not a leader anymore, and yet, i didn't like that lost John. I also liked that Skynet won, and yet, i didn't like it. You know, for all of its time travel shenanigans, T1 and T2 had that hope at the end, especially with Sarah's speech at the end of T2. T3 somehow tarnished it all for me. Still, i admit, it is awesome action movie. I think fututer Terminator movies should focus on the time travel explanations or just the future... or both... We'll see what "Dark Fate" is up to, not expecting much, but T3, T4 and T5 got my ticket money, so shall this one

 

[Archonon]

Terminator 3 had a darker tone in the ending but it actually is about hope quite a bit. The film ends with John finally accepting his role as the future leader of humanity's resistance and beginning to reach out to others to give them hope when everything seems lost. So while the method that they displayed was more ominous, it fit in perfectly well with the message of a small light of hope flickering amidst the dark like the other movies.

The original Terminator also had this type of ending; with Sarah, now pregnant and alone, driving literally and metaphorically into the coming storm while embracing her role.

Only T2 was left more hopeful yet ambiguous, and that is if you do not count the extended edition that has the alternate ending with Sarah and John in the park, where John is a Senator and Judgment Day never happened.

Jeez, even the flawed Salvation had a theme of hope with Marcus giving his life so that the symbol of hope for humanity, John, wouldn't succumb to the fatal injury given to him by the T-800, thereby both fulfilling and preventing the revelation from T3 that John was "killed" by the T-800 in the future.

 

[Croatian Klingon]

Yeah, they all had that element of hope, but none was masterfully done as in T1/T2 and when i say T1/T2, i think of it as two parts of the whole. Ambigious ending of T2 was more poetic and, despite dark road in the scene, very hopeful. Sarah embraced hope for humanity despite years of paranoia, fear, military training and battle for survival with enemy that most of humanity doesn't even believe in. That same ending also had perfect conclusion on time-travel part of the story, since it perfectly syncs with Kyle Reese who said to Sarah in T1 that her son as leader of the Resistance is only one possible future. I think all Terminator movies had their shiny moments, but T1 and T2 are, for me, the perfect begining and the ending. Still, i'll watch "Dark Fate"