Rel's house of 3d stuff!

[Archonon]

I still have no idea why the designers chose to give their BoP those wings but damn it if you haven't found a way to make this thing look really good.

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:

I still have no idea why the designers chose to give their BoP those wings but damn it if you haven't found a way to make this thing look really good.

I totally agree with you! FlowRellik made a great work with the redesign.

 

[FlowRellik]

>//> I'm flattered thanks guys!
I think I'll get the rest of my fleet onto here

 

[FlowRellik]

https://sketchfab.com/models/d6e5511ded244857a47857d21d36ad9a
Ares Class ver Rel!

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
That model looks amazing! I was never able to make the aft ventral part of the secondary hull for my own version .

 

[Archonon]

That looks outstanding Rel!

The only thing that has never jived with me about the Ares are the phaser batteries on the saucer because they clearly look like the TMP phasers from The Wrath of Khan. This is more a criticism of the original ship's design, as opposed to your model Rel.

That being said, love it.

First an update from the Axanar team and now their ship rendered beautifully, today is a good day for all things Axanar.

 

[TUB_Husker]

TMP phasers from The Wrath of Khan.

not important for me.
the style of tos, in moden technic is very good and charming, a lot of better than disco dreck. I hope axanar become more fans in the future then cbs pseudo-dreck

 

[Jetfreak]

^ That's an interesting take on the matter. For my case, I may have been spending too much time on Deviant as such talk of modernizing will get you a on the TOS purist mob list.

Certain fans over there, are in a frenzy to put it mildly.

 

[Archonon]

I think Rel's Ares looks fantastic. I feel it more than reflects the TOS aesthetic where it could be a pre-series ship from the Prime Universe, certainly more than the Crossfield.

I think maybe that those phaser arrays would feel more authentic in a TMP refit of the Ares. The original navigational deflector on the ship was also the one found in TMP's Enterprise as opposed to TOS' Enterprise. Rel's version actually has the TOS deflector. I'm not advocating that the ship should be altered in any way, I'm a huge fan of the original design. I'm just saying that even when I saw Prelude to Axanar I thought that the Ares had some attributes that were too TMP-ish, especially for a ship that is supposedly older than the Constitution. I was just an offhanded comment on my thoughts for the original design, not even a problem. Heck, I wish the Ares was canonized, lol.

Nevertheless, I love Rel's interpretation of the Ares. I could see it as the "original" version of the ship with kjc's beautiful model being the "refit" variant. The change in navigational deflectors and even the spikes on the buzzards, look like progression of technology between the two versions. Just my wacky two cents.

 

[kjc733]

If we're going to keep discussing this then it may be worth a separate thread.

Regarding the Ares I think the team did a very good job of trying to modernise the TOS aesthetic.
Lets look at the original Enterprise. It's a 60s design from an era where man was starting its exploration of space - the Saturns were white rockets. Jefferies wanted the design to be clean because why would you design things that could only be accessed from outside (yes Star Wars I'm looking at the greeble monsters you made). And finally we must remember that this was a television series. Not only did they have a limited budget but the video picture itself was not going to be the best resolution. There would therefore be no point in putting excessive detailing on the hull as no one would see it.

The Enterprise Refit was built for the big screen on a big budget. They added more exterior detail while still not going greeble mad because it would be seen.

I had hoped that the CGI update for TOS would add a little more physical detailing. They did add a few additional hatches for specific space shots but other than that remained true to the original. (I'm more disappointed by the TNG rework as they kept all the glaringly stupid CGI inconsistencies like ship scales... but that's waaaay off topic).

So the Ares. The nacelles look like cruder versions of the Connie nacelles. The exception to this is the bussards but that is purely because the pilot Enterprise bussards was cruder than the rest of the series. I can forgive that one.
Hull coloration and markings, I'll give a pass to. Shuttlebay, definitely TOS. Torpedo tubes, TOS again.
Aztecing, shield grids and phaser turrets. OK that is definitely TMP. However, we never really see where the phaser beams come from on the TOS Enterprise. I personally can chalk that up to "detail we couldn't see", especially if you assume they were the same colour as the hull. In fact ball turrets make sense (look at today's laser weapons) because all the ball really contains is a servo mechanism and a focusing mirror. You want to be able to point that mirror in many different directions. Having the phaser emitter behind a hole in the hull or at the base of a tube means that you can only shoot in a single direction.
I would like to think that if we had seen a completed Constitution in Axanar then it would have included some of these extra physical details (like my own version of the Connie).
The only thing I can't resolve is, as has been stated above, the deflector. It needed to be a dish. They could have changed the style, they could have added detail, they could have but a blue glow behind it. Anything but the TMP dish.

Anyways. Keep at it Rel, you're doing great

 

[FlowRellik]

In order to keep my mind away from a unplugged hard drive, I decided to go ahead with my starship designworks.
This time around, I htink you know who this will be

 

[kjc733]

Klingon BoP?
That's a nice start, keep up the good work

 

[FlowRellik]

https://sketchfab.com/models/968c48ec21034d52afaad9c65de97eae
For Aad Moerman, for Trekkies all around, Something grand and divine comes around!

 

[Majestic]

That's awesome mate, I like this one better than the original

 

[Archonon]

That's beautiful work Rel!

What kind of polys is she counting? Is this ship game friendly or purely for beauty shots?

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
The ship is amazingly detailed, looks high-poly indeed, hehehe. And you know I already posted a comment on DA .

 

[Admiral*Alex]

When I first saw the Walker, it felt it was from the future and not from the era of TOS. But those old-TOS style nacelles really make the Walker pop and feel like it's a 60+-year-old design waiting to be retired.

As for the model itself, very nice.

 

[Jetfreak]

I always thought the Walker was the latest in what I call the "Akira hangover" by the Trek producers. First it was the NX, and there's a lot of hints of both designs in the Shenzhou.

It was as if the next series was supposed to be post-VOY and wanted to use the Akira. But always got sidetracked by the fascination with prequel shows.

 

[Majestic]

I always thought the Walker was the latest in what I call the "Akira hangover" by the Trek producers. First it was the NX, and there's a lot of hints of both designs in the Shenzhou.

It was as if the next series was supposed to be post-VOY and wanted to use the Akira. But always got sidetracked by the fascination with prequel shows.

According to Doug Dexler or John Eaves (can't remember which) one of the top hats wanted the Akira in Enterprise unmodified and said no one would notice but the designer asked to see what he could do with it and we got the NX.

I do agree though it's an overused design a fan favourite but overused. More original would be better but unfortunately not a lot of new refreshing ideas have come from CBS these last couple of decades. It's like they are stalled for ideas get they seem to ignore the fan base that always seem to be coming up with refreshing new ideas that fit in with the TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY eras without messing everything up.

I do think the Walker looks better this way and something I wish they had done in the series, tried to make it fit closer in the era it's supposed to be from.

 

[FlowRellik]

Atm the Walker class is at 23k tri poly, with 12.8k verts. I'd say she'd be game ready but idk how it would take for games like Armada.
And I do agree when they did the NX Class they should've done a different route for the ship but nonetheless I enjoy the design and past tech. I wished Enterprise went on for another season.

 

[CABAL]

According to Doug Dexler or John Eaves (can't remember which) one of the top hats wanted the Akira in Enterprise unmodified and said no one would notice but the designer asked to see what he could do with it and we got the NX.

I always thought that network exec was a great example of why networks should generally stay out of the way of their producers. Star Trek fans, who are notoriously detail oriented and document literally everything, won't notice a fan favorite ship appearing in completely the wrong century? That guy clearly didn't know anything about Star Trek or its fanbase.

Atm the Walker class is at 23k tri poly, with 12.8k verts. I'd say she'd be game ready but idk how it would take for games like Armada.
And I do agree when they did the NX Class they should've done a different route for the ship but nonetheless I enjoy the design and past tech. I wished Enterprise went on for another season.

Have you seen the Season 5 refit Drexler was commissioned to make before the show was cancelled? They basically just swapped out the engineering pod for a secondary hull. It's so very sexy.

 

[Archonon]

I have a soft spot for the Enterprise Class (Sorry, I will never call it the NX; the class is named after the first ship of that class, not a registry designation). I like that ship quite a bit, even if it was an Akira flip upside down. Same thing could be said from the general aesthetics of the Miranda and the Ares, they follow the same general design of the Akira...or the Akira follows the Miranda, as that one came first: A saucer integrated into a larger secondary hull with two nacelles facing downwards and a torpedo pod atop rear mounted arch. The only difference is the Akira is sleeker while the Miranda was blockier, like the difference between a 1970s muscle car and a modern one.

I agree that the design was overused of course, but then again there are only so many ways to design ships differently while maintaining a general overall parentage where you see them all as part of the same fleet.

I thought the redesigned Enterprise for season 5 looked much better and functioned as an interesting precursor to the sleeker Constitution.

@Rel I really like what you have done with the Walker, it is the only major ship design that I really liked from STD, even if it looks like an Akira. LOL

I have no idea if A2 would run a model with those specs; but hey if someone imports it, I am more than willing to try it out in game. LOL

 

[Chiletrek]

Hello:
To try those models ingame could be nice... but then again (and risking sounding like an Informercial, lol) why not try it in Apoclaydon's Classic mod for FleetOps? That way it can handle the polies much better? .

 

[FlowRellik]

Updating the Enterprise Take 2: The Pike'ning
Different bridge, new nacelles and textures oh my!

 

[Majestic]

Looking great mate.

 

[Archonon]

Love it Rel, the Connie in all its iterations has and always shall be my favorite Trek ship.

April-Pike-Kirk approved!

 

[FlowRellik]

Now available for download
https://sketchfab.com/models/ff52a5fd9c454b5fa15f43469eb21e3a#download

 

[Jetfreak]

Fabulous as ever, top marks Rel!

 

[Archonon]

Gorgeous ship Rel, congrats!

 

[FlowRellik]

Thanks guys! I might make my other ships downloadable. Would be nice to see Jetfreak do a scene or two for these, or even a mod