P.S.A.

[Hellkite]

My kids are putting this P.S.A. all over so they want me to post it here

 

[FlowRellik]

this. definately this.
I recall back in history Ronald Reagan made a law that outlaws the sales of automatic weapons. I believe its time that law is back again.

 

[Majestic]

I don't get into gun debates as I live in Australia and have a different society and laws to other nations.
I don't mind the health debate or discussion on here though.

 

[Hellkite]

You should know that Australia is noted in that P.S.A Maj @ 2:33 mark

 

[SciFiFan]

I liked that video and I truly understand the point of view but, I also believe it to be an over-simplification of a complex issue.

 

[Hellkite]

Yes! It is a complex issue. But that issue needing a answer a long over due answer complex or not.

For the record I'm a gun owner and hunter. I support the Second Amendment, but there dose need to be common cents limits to fix this problem.



"I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God.”
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But with that said

The US Constitution is referred to as a living document because it is open to constant change whether by ratifying the Constitution with a new amendment or by repealing an… existing amendment. Consequently, as time goes on and new issues and concerns arise, the Constitution can be changed to meet the demands of the present and future.

And this was the greatness of our founding fathers

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[Majestic]

You should know that Australia is noted in that P.S.A Maj @ 2:33 mark

True but again this is America's issue atm, I am not a citizen and thus feel my opinion on the matter really is irrelevant as I don't live there not correctly understand the culture having been born and grown up in Australia where my whole adult life has been without guns as I was 12-13 when the gun laws in Australia were implemented after Port Arthur in 1996.

Still I will agree something needs to be done due to all the deaths that have been happening. Especially the kids at schools. I think we all agree kids should be able to go and get an education and be able to not worry and get home safely.

 

[Hellkite]

True this is America's issue but it is helpful look that other have done and how effective it has been.

Gun laws in Australia are mainly the jurisdiction of the country's states and territories, with the importation of guns regulated by the Federal Government.

A person who possesses or uses a firearm must have a firearm licence. Licence holders must demonstrate a "genuine reason" for holding a firearm licence and must not be a "prohibited person". All firearms in Australia must be registered by serial number to the owner, who also holds a firearms licence.​

 

[Majestic]

Plus firerms and ammo must be kept in separate secure safes to avoid others getting a hold of them.
Many need to be part of a gun club or be a rural owner (farmer) to be able to get access to rifles.

Perhaps some of our laws could be adopted and adjusted where required to serve America. I do think as far as weapons (not including guns) our laws are too restrictive as we're not allowed to have even a cricket bat in our vehicle for self defence. But that's another topic not related to firearms.

 

[SciFiFan]

Thank you @Hellkite for your service.

I too am a veteran and gun owner. ​

I agree that something needs to be done. The thing that I find frustrating is that to some people, guns are the root of all evil and the only way to fix it is to eliminate all guns. I was raised with guns in the house. I was also taught the value of life and how to handle and use said guns safely. These lessons are no longer being taught. I am glad that it seems the laws in Australia are working for them. I just don't think that they will work here in the US. For the simple fact that the US has something that Australia don't........shared borders. The people that are crying the loudest for the worst kind of gun control measures don't want to secure our borders either. In my opinion, you can't have one without the other.

I do have so much more I can say on the matter but, I don't know quite how to put it.

 

[Majestic]

I was raised with guns in the house. I was also taught the value of life and how to handle and use said guns safely. These lessons are no longer being taught.

That's it. Society isn't as respectful as it once was. Not to mention the governments don't seem to be of the quality they once were. They're making it harder for people to live focusing on the rich (at least in Australia they are) this is driving depression and anger up. It's only a matter of time before the kettle boils.
Ultimately you're right that some parents out there are teaching their kids respect and to respect life and only use violence as an absolute last resort rather than a first.

I am glad that it seems the laws in Australia are working for them. I just don't think that they will work here in the US. For the simple fact that the US has something that Australia don't........shared borders. The people that are crying the loudest for the worst kind of gun control measures don't want to secure our borders either. In my opinion, you can't have one without the other.

I agree hence why I said adapted and adjusted. Different societies and different views. Maybe restricting rifles and shotguns and allowing just handguns could be an alternative. To have a rifle perhaps some sort of licence could be implemented. Or have some sort of civilian militia organisation where you join and such, do backgrounds checks get training etc for the access to rifles. These are just ideas not trying to put my nose in another countries issue.

 

[SciFiFan]

What most people don't understand about our second amendment is that too many people think that it was to give us the right to own guns for hunting. It's actual intent is to protect our rights to own firearms to defend ourselves from any threat to our freedoms which includes our own government if necessary. It was intended to give the citizens the means to keep the government in check and prevent an elite class from ruling the whole in the way that Imperial Britain ruled the colonies.

With respect to you in regards to the handguns over rifles statement. The gun that I own is a British 303 Sport bolt action rifle with a 3 round clip. I could do more damage with a handgun than I could with my rifle.

 

[Majestic]

What most people don't understand about our second amendment is that too many people think that it was to give us the right to own guns for hunting. It's actual intent is to protect our rights to own firearms to defend ourselves from any threat to our freedoms which includes our own government if necessary. It was intended to give the citizens the means to keep the government in check and prevent an elite class from ruling the whole in the way that Imperial Britain ruled the colonies.

Yes it's a good law to have. I fully support that. It's just a shame people who shouldn't have access to guns (people who use them against innocents) can get access to them. This is the problem that needs to be stopped. How to stop these people getting access to them. Mentally ill people, criminals, people who are on the FBI watch list etc.

With respect to you in regards to the handguns over rifles statement. The gun that I own is a British 303 Sport bolt action rifle with a 3 round clip. I could do more damage with a handgun than I could with my rifle.

Fair enough. I'm by no means a gun expert, never touched one. I was just trying to offer suggestions.

 

[SciFiFan]

Yes it's a good law to have. I fully support that. It's just a shame people who shouldn't have access to guns (people who use them against innocents) can get access to them. This is the problem that needs to be stopped. How to stop these people getting access to them. Mentally ill people, criminals, people who are on the FBI watch list etc.

Ironically, these people are already barred from owning weapons in the US. The Vegas shooter from last year was dishonorably discharged from the Air Force due to disciplinary issues and was noted to have had a mental instabilities. An oversight that should never have been made during the discharge process allowed that fact to slip through. He passed a background check that he shouldn't have. The Florida shooter had been reported to the local authorities and FBI well in advance and they did nothing to stop him. These facts lead me to truly believe that more laws will harm only those who chooses to obey them. Those content to harm others will always do so until / unless they are stopped.

 

[Hellkite]

The Vegas shooter was not a Vet

Paddock worked as a letter carrier for the U.S. Postal Service from 1976 to 1978. After that, he worked as an Internal Revenue Service agent until 1984. Then, he was a federal auditor for one year, in 1985, focusing on defense contractors. Toward the end of the 1980s, Paddock worked for three years as an internal auditor for a company that later merged to form Lockheed Martin.

 

[SciFiFan]

Thanks for clearing that up for me. It was the shooter in the Texas church shooting that was the I was thinking of.

 

[Hellkite]

No worries
They seem to blend which is a problem unto it'self