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Good to hear that your computer is working again. I know I'd freak out if my computer died.

2TB is alot of space, i remember my 1st PC had only 40gig
Forget first, my current computer is using multiple HDDs to total just over 100GB. Franken-dino computer FTW!
 

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Glad it's working again :)

That's why I went and played Halo Reach and left Katala to the technical aspects of the PCs. I wear steel cap boots, so you can imagine how much damage I could've done. :lol2:

I'll always remember when I was about seven and got my first computer from my dad. After about half a year, it just stopped working - so I kicked it (my reasoning being that if it's broken at the moment then kicking it wouldn't do any harm) and, lo' and behold, it started working for about then minutes then stopped.

Using the same logic that all seven year olds have, I went to get the hammer - thinking that a heavier impact would have a greater effect. Luckily my mum stopped me. Who knows what would have happened!
 

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Lol - brute force and ignorance... thats my family creed...

I have a 320 gig HDD - its 7200 rpm though... it has lightning fast data retrieval or something...

I also have a 1.5TB external drive... not so fast...

But 2TB...:shock: can you actually climb in? Like live there? Sounds cavernous...
 

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Good thing that your computer is working again, Maj. :)

And as we also are talking about first computers; My first was a 286 BIOS.
 

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Lol, glad you are back Maj. My first laptop was actually my family's first. it had only a 32GB Hdd.:lol2: I had old desktops before that, but I doubt they had a fraction of that much.:lol:

I think I have an old 2TB external drive somewhere, but I"m not sure. its a brick though, i know that for certain. Got it to store data from all my past computers. I doubt I"ve even filled up 1TB:angel:
 

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But thanks to Syf and Katala we got my PC back up and running, just need to replace the fried 2TB drive, to be honest I doubt it was working to start with. Thankfully we got a 3 year warranty with it. So on Sunday we will be going back and getting a replacement.

So for the next couple of days I'll be rebuilding my install and backing up much data that I can't afford to loose.

Good to hear that. :thumbsup:
 

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Hello:
That is good news indeed, I'm glad you'll be able to have a running pc very soon :).
 

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I technically have a running PC, it's just my additional harddrive isn't in yet as needing a replacement due to it being faulty. I currently have two 500GB harddrives (1TB total) however I have a 2TB drive that needs to be swapped over, which afterwards, will give me a total of 3TB give or take thanks to Windows and it's theft of space with all harddrives. I think that will certainly do me for the long haul. :)
 

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3TB total ?, Gotta say thats alot of space Maj, i didnt even think ppl could get that much now :lol:
i only have 500 gig (Plus a 320 gig external for backups).

Lol Violence solves problems, I wonder just how smashed up that PC would have been if you got your way Amateur :sweat:.
 

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Yeah some people don't need alot of space, when you consider I have all my Armada work (which equals over 55gb just for the installs alone), and the entire back up of the MSFC website as well as various games of mine and Katala's games as well because her pc sometimes works when she isnt bashing it up from not working in the first place, which by the way she just got working and in the meantime burned out her 120gb hard drive *literally! it was smoking and glowing red!* so she is stuck with a 250gb and a 500gb until later on, Kat plays alot of online games which take up at least 2gb of hdd space each and lets not forget all her photography!
 

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Glad to hear your partially restored. I hope the place you got the HDD from don't give you any poop, otherwise, you'll have to deal with a long shipping and waiting period.

I can remember my first PCs Back in the days of the Apple II and the Commodore 64. Yes, that was before the 1.44mb floppy disks. The Apple had dual 5.25" Single sided 512kb floppy drives as a means of running programs, and the Commodore 64 had a cassette drive. Those were before Hard-Drives were available. My first HDD had a full 32 megabytes. I never thought I would ever fill that thing.... then my next HDD was a huge leap to 100mb and that was the time when I started using Windows for the first time (Windows 3.11 *for Workgroups*).

And just think, in 10 years, we'll be asking ourselves how we ever managed without 512GB Ram and 500 Etabytes of HDD space!
 

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Aye Syf, Technology is evolving at a rapid pace. Whats new today is outdated in a year or so :eek:

Wonder what its gonna be like in another 10 years :yum:
 

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I remember Windows 3.1, back on the old Acer 486 machine in 94. At the time it was a pretty up to date machine, these days it's a dinosaur that should've died. :lol:

A lot of people run like 4 or 6TB these days Paul, at least in AU. Normally 2TB is a minimum average today. I have been running around 600GB for the past 3 years and I was running out of space, so the upgrade was really needed. I still need some more RAM, but a Harddrive was more important to me. :)
 

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Space is a big factor when you get involved with game modding or graphics in any form.

And technically, anything "new" on the market is already actually 18 months out of date. For example, 4-core CPUs or already last year's high end. AMD released 6, 8, and 12-core CPUs to the industrial workstation market. And the stuff they are soon to be shipping makes those look slow. The "PC" market is always from 6 months upto 2 years behind the industrial markets. Also the Laptop Market is about 2 years behind the Desktop PC market. Right now, a high end "workstation" has 16GB of RAM, up-to 16 TB HDD space, and 12-core CPUs with each core clocking 2.2 gHz per core (simply means that it can process over 24 billion instructions per second) with GPUs (which are upto 10 core GPUs) running about 75% of the same processing capabilities as the 12-core CPUs (the only bottleneck is the FSB which is slowed down to around 800mhz, but multi-treading enables that to around 3.2ghz... And that don't even touch what the corperate Servers can do, nor any military servers... but let's say I know currently is well over 50 times more that the "workstations" I just mentioned are able to do. Now as for a 10 year preview, in the year 2000, the top end Workstations averaged 1.2ghz single core CPUs, 512MB RAM, 20-40GB HD space, 1 single core 450mHz GPU all running on a system with a 133mHz FSB bottleneck... Simply, we have systems about 25-36 times better than 10 years ago. If this holds true for the next 10 years, then we will be running on systems with Multi-core CPUs (which may or maynot be vector type CPUs) chewing up between 10 and 200 Trillion instructions per second, averaging 256GB-4TB RAM, GPUs that actually match the CPUs and HDD space in the range of 1-10 PetaBytes (or more). Tha only slowdowm will be the FSB and internet speed, which internet will be required, not optional. We will be lucky to see the 1-GBit bandwidth which current NICs are already capable of (Currently, we are using less than half the Bandwidth a 100MBit NICs can handle, which have been around for 15 or so years). But I can speculate we will have Broadband Bandwidth in the range of 30-100 MBit for Downstream, and upwards of 10-50MBit upstream.

I bet you can't hardly wait for you new system in 10 years Maj.
 

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I bet you can't hardly wait for you new system in 10 years Maj.

You bet, it kind of encourages one to keep using the system they are using now. We normally upgrade every 2 years (18months-30months/1.5-2.5 years) this time however our current systems will become handmedowns to the kids, with the exception of my 2TB harddrive, got to keep all my data, and DVD's won't back it all up, unless I want to buy the entire self at K-Mart or something. :lol2:.
 

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Wow - makes my 2.1GHz dual core 3 gig RAM 512MB graphics card 320Gig HDD lap top look like a pointy rock tied to a stick... and the pointy rock has fallen off....
 

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for an hour and a half we thought it had fried his secondary containing all his work he has ever done for armada1 and 2, not to mention all his yesteryears work.

Well some bad news in regards to this, there was data corruption. Every single ms3d file model and SOD file I have, all their faces have been unwelded. I discovered this when I opened a Yesteryears model and then had a look at some other older ones.

This has put me back ages, I'm talking like 1 million hours as it can take like two hours to re-weld a single model. I even tried to re-weld a yesteryears model and it won't let me do it. So I basically have to start from scratch again. Even exporting them and then importing them back in doesn't work.
 

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that really sucks - I feel your pain man.

At least they still exist though, huh? As in, they are not completely gone?
 

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They are there but I will need to rebuild them and to be honest I can't go backwards 3 years and re-do all the work I have done for projects like PRP, COE and Yesteryears.

So I am just going to move forward, start a new project or something. For now I am also at your full disposal for HFC. The best I can hope for Yesteryears is a Federation race, as I think I uploaded the internal alpha to the site somewhere for Syf. COE however is a complete loss as is the work I had done for PRP.
 

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:shock: Dear God - that is a lot more work lost that I thought - im sorry - really sorry - I would go nuts if I lost three years of modding work...

If you really are interested, I can send you some of the models to get started on next week?

But I would see how you feel first - for example, have you tried using a different version of MS3d? or maybe exporting as a .obj file and re - importing? Sometimes the conversion can fix the file...?
 

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Something strange has happened. I went into MS3D to try your idea Dino and it's working now. I have no idea why or how, all I did was re-open the Lexington model and it's now working. I didn't get a chance to try your idea. :confused:

Bizzare, it's got me wondering if there is a ghost or gremlin in my PC. :confused:

At least now I can continue on with YY, as I really want to complete it. However first I think I am going to see about releasing much of COE to MSFC, get it out there in case Mr Gremlin strikes again. I might release a demo/alpha of that mod or something.
 

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I wonder if your MS3D was corrupted rather than your models.
 

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Something strange has happened. I went into MS3D to try your idea Dino and it's working now. I have no idea why or how, all I did was re-open the Lexington model and it's now working. I didn't get a chance to try your idea. :confused:

Bizzare, it's got me wondering if there is a ghost or gremlin in my PC. :confused:

At least now I can continue on with YY, as I really want to complete it. However first I think I am going to see about releasing much of COE to MSFC, get it out there in case Mr Gremlin strikes again. I might release a demo/alpha of that mod or something.

These are indeed good news. I really loved some of the designs you did for COE, and having to cancel YY would have been really sad. Good to see that it didn't turn out that bad. :thumbsup:
 

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Yes I too was also very glad, as for hours I was thinking what I was going to do with my time, and all I could think of was a Dominion full race modification. My true hopes like always has been the bring TMP era to A2, but I lost the motivation to re-start YY, thankfully that is no longer the case. :)

I wonder if your MS3D was corrupted rather than your models.

It was a fresh install of MS3D, as it was my main drive (160GB Sata) that fried itself, so we went out got a new 500GB Sata, partitioned into two approximently 240GB drives, one is 240 the other is like 220, thanks to windows. I have re-installed most of my programs, though many games still need to be installed again. MS3D was one of the first along with Trend Micro, Firefox, Photoshop, Notepad++, CoreFTP, Winrar, Windows Live Mail and so on. :)
 

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MS3D is just weird sometimes. I had the same issue before with whenever I would open a ms3d file vertices would be unwelded or the opposite where vertices I had unwelded would be welded. Also one error that still randomly plagues me is unselectable vertices grrrrr.....fresh installs dont help me at all as its random and when I encounter these errors I just reboot my pc and then things are fine.
 

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I would have taken a look at the matter before we shelved YY. Glad I don't have to now.;)
 
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