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Imagine: a New Next Generation Movie is Produced...

If they made a new TNG/DS9/VOY movie, what should it be about?

  • Moar Romulan and Reman stuff.

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  • NOTHING with StarFleet.

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  • Cardassians.

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Hi, people!

Time for the Regular MSFC Poll. This time, we've got an interesting question. Imagine they would make a new TNG/DS9/VOY movie. What should it be about?
It's a shame that there wasn't a Dominion War movie. (well... Insurrection, kind of, but not really...) Or would you prefer to see more Reman/Romulan stuff? Or Voyager in the Delta Quadrant?

Did we forget something? If your favourite plot is not there, please tell us!

Okay, that's it for this week. Stay tuned, we'll return in two weeks with the next poll.

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Why bother with anything TNG/VOY/DS9 at all? The producers and writers spent a few years writing themselves firmly into a corner and then trying to write themselves out of it by closing everything to completion. Tired of the Borg and the Dominion and 8472 threatening the survival of the Federation as we know it once again. And rebooting Data was a cruel joke. Use the TNG/VOY/DS9 setting as a start point, maybe. But how about something a little more Star Trek and a little less Star Wars, hunh?
 

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I personally have to say the Dominion War. If not that, then something with DS9 as the major protagonist. My father felt that they were robbed of an opportunity for a movie, and I agree. The TNG movies were just crowd pleasers in my eyes, not really worthy of coming out. Each one just makes stupid mistakes and decisions. Of course, I'm not saying that a DS9 movie would be perfect, but it'd be nice to see what they could've done in the movies.
 

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Why bother with anything TNG/VOY/DS9 at all? The producers and writers spent a few years writing themselves firmly into a corner and then trying to write themselves out of it by closing everything to completion. Tired of the Borg and the Dominion and 8472 threatening the survival of the Federation as we know it once again. And rebooting Data was a cruel joke. Use the TNG/VOY/DS9 setting as a start point, maybe. But how about something a little more Star Trek and a little less Star Wars, hunh?
Yeah, I know... hard to come up with a Big Bad for every movie. It's starting to get repetitive. Insert random enemy, choose a reason for Picard/JJKirk to go RAMBO, and make up a cool name for the movie. Congrats, you have a new Star Trek movie! :thumbsdown:

While we're at it, I want a new TOS/TMP movie. Not that JJ stuff, real awesome Prime TOS. :yum:
 

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I think that a Dominion war movie, charting the course of an unknown ship and crew on the front lines, would be quite good. Well, it has the potential to be quite good...
 

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Why not a movie/show based on the travels of a Romulan counterpart - why any need to have the Federation as the protagonists anyway? :yum:
 

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How about a movie based on one of the Titan books? I have enjoyed every one I have read thus far. I wish I could find the rest to read. I also enjoyed The Lost Era books. Serpents Among The Ruins could make a particularly interesting movie.
 

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I say let Trek be. Nemesis was a step too far, as was Enterprise, and Star Trek Wars (XI) was just taking the... mickey.

The thing is with scifi and fantasy is that you only need to cover a certain amount of material. The rest is left in the imaginations of the fans. You don't need to explain every aspect of every event for every person's daily lives. Or even cover the events of every period of history. Leave it be, the fans like having things to do too.

Unfortunately, Paramount and Berman are not interested in telling a good story, or in Trek being "art" (in its own way); no, they just want to make MONEY out of it. So what the hell, do another reboot-universe flim, hell why not make it a Star Trek version of Lost, it'll make as much sense as XI did. Get cameos from as many random celebs as you can: Keanu Reeves, J-Lo, Seth Rogen, whoever, you'll get money from it. It'll annoy the Trekkies, but as you (Abrams) said about XI, "I want to bring in NEW fans to Trek" (and forget about the old ones).

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A say Delta Quadrant, perhaps following the Voyager re-launch books with that fleet returning to the Delta Quadrant. I can't wait for the next one coming out in May 2011. Right in time for my birthday.

Honestly Voyager is the only one of the three series that has any sort of material to go on as it's the only one left opened while both DS9 and TNG was pretty well concluded.
 

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I voted for the Klingons since they seem to be getting less and less attention as the whole thing goes on. What I think would be really interesting is a show set on a Klingon ship during peace time so we could get a better idea of what they're like when they aren't killing things. It seems like every time we see the Klingons they're at war or about to be at war.
 

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Rant waring!

Lucky I don't have to write it :) J. William Snyder did it for me and I'm on page for page with him

Star Trek: A Phenomenon and Social Statement on the 1960s

by,
J. William Snyder, Jr.

Copyright © 1995 J. William Snyder, Jr.

Permission granted to copy and use for private study and other non-commercial and academic purposes.

On September 8, 1966 at 8:30 PM on NBC, America received its first glimpse of what was to become a legend. Star Trek made its debut that night, and America was never to be the same. For three years Star Trek graced the network, only to be canceled and to later return in syndication. Only then did the series command the reputation it deserved. But Star Trek has never been a run-of-the-mill science fiction program. One might find great difficulty in trying to compare it to other television science fiction series, like Space: 1999 (which competed with Star Trek during its run in syndication), or series produced in the 1980's, like Battlestar Galactica or Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. Comparison is difficult because Star Trek is not simply a far-out science fiction program- it is a science fiction program that reflects the America of the 1960's. Indeed, Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, during one interview is quoted as saying, "I have no belief that STAR TREK depicts the actual future, it depicts us, now, things we need to understand about that" (Interview 6). And David Gerrold, a writer for the series, says in his book that "[t]he stories are about twentieth century man's attitudes in a future universe. The stories are about us" (155). Of course not every single episode makes a social commentary, but throughout the series, characters, themes, motifs, and of course, individual episodes make strong comments on sexism and feminism, racism and improving race relations, as well as militarism and peace, all major social issues during the late 1960's, and to a different degree, social issues of today.

Sexism and feminism

It was during the late 1960's that the contemporary feminist movement began. Major progress in women's rights in America was still years off, but the movement was gaining strength in the face of backward and reactionary ideas. Star Trek was almost destined to collide with the movement for women's rights in some way or another. Star Trek's attitude towards women was intended to be progressive from the very beginning. However, circumstances would not permit this progressive attitude of women as full equals to their male counterparts to achieve its proper position. Instead, the series seemed to embody the 1960's status quo as far as relations between the sexes and the role of women. Star Trek had the opportunity to have a woman play a character in a clear authority position, but it instead backed off prefering to use regular female characters that either came just short of what was originally envisioned or reaffirmed the traditional roles for women. And according to Karen Blair, the rest of the female characters that appear in Star Trek are shallow, femme-objets that are disposed of at the end of each episode (292-3).

In the earliest conception of the series and during the first pilot, the script called for a character by the name of "Number One," the female first officer of the U.S.S. Enterprise. A strong, cool, almost emotionless character, she was intended to have experience and knowledge of ships operations superior to that of the Captain (Compendium 9). Number One (she was never given a proper name) did make out of the notebook and into the first pilot for the series, "The Cage", produced in 1964. Portrayed by Majel Barret, she comes across as an extremely competent, authoritative officer committed to duty. When Captain Pike is forming up an away team to investigate the crash of the S.S. Columbia on Talos IV, Pike purposefully leaves her behind, not because she is a woman, but because he feels her to be the ships most experienced officer, and she would be needed most on the ship should anything happen to the away team. When the pilot was shown to NBC executives who in turn approved more work to produce the series, they ordered that Number One be cut from the format. According to a behind-the-scenes look at Star Trek hosted by Leonard Nimoy that was produced a few years back, their rationale was that the audience would not be able to identify with a woman in such a powerful authority position on board a starship (Nimoy). Unfortunately, the sexism of the 1960's was preventing the establishment of a progressive character because of traditional attitudes. Along with Number One went her costume design that differed very little from the costumes for the male characters. Throughout the rest of the series after the two pilots (The second pilot, the one finally accepted by NBC, was titled "Where No Man Has Gone Before".), all the female members of the crew were dressed in short, skimpy skirts instead of trousers that Number One and other female characters wore during the pilots. (Although her character was cut, Ms. Barret returned to the series to play Nurse Chapel, a character more in line with what the network executives had in mind.)

With the demise of Number One, Star Trek's portrayal of women was to be, at best, ambivalent- wavering between an implicit belief in women as equals but an unwillingness to exemplify in a tangible way what was being professed. In general, "the Enterprise's female crew...are a generally placid lot, passively observing the action or servicing the male endeavor" (Greenberg 63). The characters of Lt. Uhura and Yeoman Janice Rand speak to this ambivalence well. Lt. Uhura, played by Nichelle Nichols, is the highest ranking female officer to serve aboard the USS Enterprise during the three years that the series ran on network telvision. Lt. Uhura serves as communications officer and as fourth in command of the Enterprise (Gerrold 141). To have a woman in such a promimant position on board a starship with her responsibility is truly amazing for a television show in the 1960's (Editor 37). She is almost never portrayed as a stereotypical woman incapable of accomplishing anything without male assistance. As a strong, fierce character, she can take care of herself quite well. In the episode "Mirror, Mirror", Uhura's task is to divert the attention of parallel-Sulu from his helmsman's post so Engineer Scott can divert power to the transporter room necessary to send her, Captain Kirk, Dr. McCoy, and Lt. Cmdr. Scott back to their own universe. Taking advantage of parallel-Sulu's desire for her, she moves in to "divert" his attention wish a seemingly sexual advance, only to violently slap him back once the indicator light on the helmsman's position warning of the power shift has gone out. She then defends herself quite nicely against the angry parallel-Sulu with a knife. Nichelle Nichols had much to do with portraying her character and fighting for her character's status. Ms. Nichols during an interview with David Gerrold mentioned that in the script for one episode, Lt. Uhura was to assume the helmsman's position because all the senior officers were on a planet, but the script was rewritten to exclude that action by the Lieutenant. Nichols "pitched a *****" over being written out. "When you're out in space, in a dangerous situation. you're not going to have some female that goes, 'Ooooh, Captain, save me, save me!'" (81). Ms. Nichols was bound and determined to secure a prominant place for Lt. Uhura and the rest of the women aboard the Enterprise. (Much also can be said about Uhura as a Black in a prominent position aboard a starship, but this will be discussed later.)

Unfortunately, another prominant female character on board the Enterprise was not as progressive as Lt. Uhura. Yeoman Janice Rand, portrayed by Grace Lee Whitney, comes to exemplify the ultimate "dumb blonde" and damsel in distress in a skimpy outfit that could possibly exist in a male dominated environment. Her main duties aboard the Enterprise entail having Captain Kirk sign orders, bring him coffee, and a host of other duties typical of a secretary for a male chauvenist pig. Yeoman Rand gets especially bad treatment in the episode "The Corbomite Maneuver" (airdate 11/10/66), as she appears as a "glorified maid" who enters the bridge to bring the Captain hot coffee and to make sure that he takes his pills (Compendium 32). The episode also includes a rather snide remark by Captain Kirk about what he was going to do to the individual who assigned him a "female yeoman". The series did back off of the overt sexism directed towards Yeoman Rand, but never the less she remained a sex object for the male members of the crew to gaze over. During the episode "Miri", Yeoman Rand remarks in a delirious state that she had always tried to get Captain Kirk to look at her legs. She now openly asks him to look at her legs, which are now discolored due to the disease caused by the Life Prolongation Experiment attempted by the native adults of the planet several hundred years earlier. She is also captured by the children and held until Captain Kirk comes to rescue her. Eventually, the character was written out because Ms. Whitney's bout with alcohol and diet pill addiction (Interview 88). Ironically, Ms. Whitney not only loved the outfit the show gave her to wear, but also the roles the show had for her- she thought that "[w]hen we put legs into the format I think that helped sell the series" (Interview 87). While other actresses, particularly Nichelle Nichols, were pushing for larger, more important roles, Ms. Whitney help to perpetuate classic sexism and sex roles during the series through her portrayal of Yeoman Rand, and the writers, producers, and network executives seemed more that happy to oblige her.

As far as other female roles on Star Trek, Karen Blair has proposes in her article "Sex and Star Trek" that female roles in the series have sought to "affirm traditional male fantasies in a most direct and unenlightened way" (292). Blair maintains that the female characters, especially those created for specific episodes, fall into Simone de Beauvoir's concept of femme-objet, an objective view of women in a male dominated world. Her focus is on three episodes, "Requiem for Methusalah" (airdate 2/14/69), "Wink of an Eye" (airdate 11/29/68), and "The Mark of Gideon" (airdate 1/17/69), and the female guest stars that are presented and then "disposed of" at the conclusion of the episode. In "Requiem..", the Enterprise has come to a planet inhabited by a mysterious Mr Flint and his android "daughter" Rayna in search for medicine for a plague that has broken out on board ship. The beautiful Rayna is extremely intelligent, but appears to lack human emotions. Flint enlists the aid of Captain Kirk in getting Rayna in developing her feelings, only what actually happens during her emotional awakening is a conflict between her love for Flint and her love for Kirk that results in her death. According to Blair, Rayna is a "femme-objet par excellence," an android cast in the male image of what is female created by Flint to keep him company. "The supposed moral is that one can't program or control love, but a feminist perspective demands that one ask what kind of love, for what kind of person, living what kind of life" (293). In the episode "Wink..", the Enterprise is responding to a distress call from a planet claiming that only a tiny portion of their race still exists. The aliens are in fact living in an accelerated state enabling them to beam up with the away team and take over the Enterprise without anyone noticing. The men of the planet are sterile, and the women are therefore left with no other option than to secure men from spaceships that happen to respond to the distress call. Deela chooses Captain Kirk to be her mate, but Kirk does not oblige her wish to take him back to the planet. She gets little if any sympathy for her endeavor. In "..Mark..", the female character Odona has volunteered to spend time with Captain Kirk so that she might aquire the various deadly diseases Kirk has been exposed to during his lifetime. She does this so she would act as a carrier of deadly disease that would start to cure her planet of its dreadful overpopulation problem. Odona ends up receiving the viewer's approval. "Odona, the germ bank, is applauded; Kirk, the sperm bank, is unthinkable" (293). In short, Blair feels that Star Trek fails to provide female viewers with any female characters that serve as "viable role-models" in a male dominated ideological environment (292-294).

Clearly, Star Trek gives rather short shrift to women at almost every turn. It turned down the opportunity to break new ground in the area of women's rights and opted for a largely passive and secondary role for its female characters. This is reflective of America during the late 1960's where the feminist movement was starting to gain momentum but failed to exert the force that it came to during the early 1970's.

Racism and Improving Race Relations

One area where Star Trek made considerable progress and incorporation into its substance was its regard towards minorities. Of course, by the late 1960's. the Civil Rights Movement in the United States was in full swing, and much progress had been made in that area. By the time the first episode of the series aired in 1966, the Congress had passed numerous Civil Rights Acts, the Voting Rights Act on 1965, and constitutional amendments outlawing the poll tax and extending the right to vote in Presidential elections to the residents of the District of Columbia, where a majority of the population is Black. Thus, Star Trek was ripe for emphasis on the equality of all people regardless of race. Still, because of the population in the South that watched the show and other factors, elements of racism and racial inequality still appear in the series. Lastly, Star Trek has one episode that appears to make a clear statement regarding America's Civil Rights Movement.

To begin with, the crew of the Enterprise was racially mixed. "The ship had to be interracial because it represented all of mankind. How can the human race ever hope to achieve friendship with alien races if it can't even make friends with itself?" (Gerrold 152). The series has two regular characters that represents American minorities rapidly gaining status in American society, Lt. Sulu and Lt. Uhura (previously discussed in her role as a woman).

Mr. Sulu, played by George Takei, is the helmsman of the USS Enterprise. He first appeared in the second pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before" as "physicist" Sulu where the character had very few lines that were not indicative of the "adventure-loving, vital individual into which he would develop" (Compendium 18). He is described in the episode "Errand of Mercy" (airdate 3/23/67) as a "capable combat officer" by Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock as Sulu is left with commanding the Enterprise in battle against a formidable Klingon attack force. He is also a bit of an adventurist and a swashbuckler as is evident by his chivalric swordplay in "The Naked Time" (airdate 9/29/66). To have a Japanese-American in such an authority position was indeed a big step forward. Though hostile feelings in America towards Japanese-Americans due to World War II had cooled off significantly, some concern existed as to whether a Japanese-American character would cost the series viewers in Indonesia (Stine 160). Still, George Takei, like the other minority actors for Star Trek fought and lobbied hard for his character. He was never happy with the lines and actions the writers had for his character, and Takei pushed so hard for his character that producers and writers learned to watch out when he came around (Interview 63). Gene Roddenberry never viewed Sulu as a "token Asian", even at a time when it seemed everyone was against him for insisting on a major role for his minority characters (72). Lt. Sulu thus became an indispensable member of the Enterprise crew. It is difficult to imagine anyone else at the helm of the USS Enterprise that could perform the duties of helmsman as well as Sulu.

The other minority regular on Star Trek was, of course, Lt. Uhura, communications officer of the Enterprise. Again, it must be stressed that it was a bold step on the part of Star Trek to have a Black character in such an important position on a television show during the 1960's. Uhura, whose name means "freedom" (Compendium 28) was a Black-African princess from East Africa who was fluent in Swahili, not an American Black woman, and this added a certain mystique to her character. Just as Sulu was never intended to be a "token-Asian" for the benefit of certain viewers in the audience, Uhura intended to be a "token Black", and both Ms. Nichols and Gene Roddenberry sought to make sure of that (Interview 72). Unfortunately, pressure from network censors and writers often reduced her to simple lines like, "Hailing frequencies open, Captain" or "Captain, what is it?" However, of the major groundbreaking steps involving Lt. Uhura that Star Trek made in television history was television's first interracial kiss (widely acknowledged as such in the literature). The controvercial kiss occured during the episode "Plato's Stepchildren" (airdate 11/22/68) where Captain Kirk, Mr. Spock, Dr. McCoy, Nurse Chapel, and Lt. Uhura are held captive by admirers of Earth's ancient Greek society who are also endowed with telekinetic powers. The script called for either Captain Kirk or Mr. Spock, under control of his alien captors, to kiss Lt. Uhura. According to Fred Freiberger, producer of the episode, the show was caught in a bind- if they had Spock kiss her, the critics would say the show was too scared to have a White man kiss a Black woman, and if they had Kirk with with Uhura in the scene with no kiss, then they would have gotten the same reaction. He and his colleagues made the decision to "...have Kirk do it, and go as far as [they could] in terms of censorship and all the rest of it" (Interview 164). The kiss between Uhura and Kirk and Kirk did make it on the air, and it apparently turned a lot of heads, but Ms. Nichols felt that the kiss was not all it was craked up to be. She remarked once that the Kirk was forced to kiss Uhura, and moreover, he was trying to fight to pressure. Fan male after the episode was critical of the kiss, saying basically that if Captain Kirk had a beautiful woman in his arms, he would not be reluctant to kiss her (Gerrold 80). As is apparent, Star Trek did attempt to make bold steps with its minority regulars, but the steps fell far short of their intended effect.

Star Trek does have a strong vein of racism running through it, but this racism is not directed towards the minority regulars (that would have caused major problems), Instead, this racism was directed towards Mr. Spock (portrayed by Leonard Nimoy), the half-Human half-Vulcan first officer and science officer of the Enterprise. Spock is the only one of his people aboard the Enterprise. His pointed ears, green blood, and devotion to pure logic set him apart from the rest of the crew. As a Vulcan, a fictional race of beings, scathing comments regarding his ethniticity (and especially his pointed ears) could have been made with virtual impunity while similar comments directed toward recognized minority groups would have been greatly frowned upon. The relationship between Mr. Spock and Dr. McCoy makes this point clear. During practically every episode, McCoy badgers Spock about everything from his pointed ears to his green blood. During the episode "Bread and Circuses" (airdate 3/15/68), Spock saved McCoy's life during a gladiator battle. McCoy later tries to humbly thank Spock for saving his, but he was put off by Spock's concentration on finding a way out of their jail cell and resorts to back to his typical scathing remarks regarding Spock's physical characteristics (I forget the actual line, but it goes something like this: "I'm trying to thank you for saving my life, you pointed-eared Vulcan!!"). McCoy is not the only one to attack Spock's ethniticity. During the episode "The Omega Glory" (airdate 3/1/68), Captain Ronald Tracey of the USS Exeter points to Spock's pointed ears and tries to convince his captors the Yangs that Spock is Satan, an endeavor that fails. And finally, in "Balance of Terror" (airdate 12/15/66), "Lieutenant Stiles, a barely concealed racist and reationary who lost several ancestors in [the human's first war with the Romulan Star Empire], accuses Spock of being a Romulan sympathizer simply because Vulcans and Romulans have pointed ears. (In the end, Spock risks his life to save...Stiles and the bigot is instantly chastened and reformed.)" (Worland 112). Attitutes like this towards Spock were tolerated because Nimoy was a White and his character a Vulcan, not a Black or a Hispanic or an Asian. Roddenberry had originally wanted to cast a black man in Spock's role (Interview 8), but it seems rather doubtful if the same remarks could have been made about Spock were he played by a Black.

Lastly, one episode of Star Trek is a clear statement on racism and its inherent disutility. "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" (airdate 1/10/69) is about two half-white half-black beings from the planet Cheron who bring their senseless racial struggle to the Enterprise. Lokai is the first to come aboard the Enterprise- he arrives in a stolen shuttlecraft asking for asylum. His pursuer, Bele, soon afterwards arrives on the Enterprise asking to take Lokai back to their home planet to stand trial for political crimes. Bele explains to Captain Kirk at one point his reason for wanting to take Lokai back to Cheron. Apparently, Lokai and others like him are considered inferior because they are black on the right side of their bodies while Bele's people are white on that side (the difference is not apparent to Kirk and the rest of the crew until Bele points it out, and the way it is pointed out makes it look silly and arbitrary.). He attempts to justify his people's treatment of Lokai by saying they are well treated and well cared for by his people, but because of their inherent inequality, they are not able to take care of themselves and require paternal guidence from the "superior" members of their society. Later in the episode, Lokai gives a lecture to members of the bridge crew on racism and persecution- the bridge crew emphasising that racism and persecution existed at one time but was a thing of the past in their society. Bele eventually hijacks the Enterprise to Cheron when his extradition request is denied by the Federation, but when the Enterprise reaches Lokai's and Bele's home planet, they find the entire population dead from a major war. Instead of putting aside their diferences, the two blame each other for the war, and they end up beaming themselves back down to the planet to continue their senseless race war. The episode ends with Captain Kirk not acknowledging the either of them was right or wrong, but "all that mattered to them was their hate". The parallels between this episode and the Civil Rights struggle in America are uncanny. In the United States, in addition to people like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. who were advocating peaceful change and Senator Stromm Thurmond of South Carolina who was advocating the status quo, extremest groups based on hatred and anger existed on the playing field. Malcom X, a radical Black activist, advocated a violent uprising by Blacks against Whites (in essence, "Kill Whitey!). There was also the Black Panthers, a militant Black organization that was prepared to seemingly start another civil war with all the weaponry it managed to procure. On the other side of the spectrum, there were the Ku Klux Klan and other White hate groups. What all these individuals and groups have in common is a fierce, uncontrolable hatred of those opposed to them, much like Bele and Lokai in this episode. The message to them is simple: hatred and violence will bring about everyone's destruction. Indeed, it was peaceful change that eventually brought about the major reforms in civil rights in this country, not the violent uprisings or supressions that the extremest groups advocated. (For some constructive criticism of this passage, please click here).

Thus, Star Trek appears to have made many contributions to the improvement in race relations in America. Minority characters in clearly important positions emphasising the equality of minorities were combined with a "safety-valve" in the form of Mr. Spock to act as an outlet for racist attitudes. And of course one episode does get to make a direct comment on race relations in America. More than likely it is Star Trek's quality of remoteness of time and location that gives it the ability to do this without appearing to overtly be a social commentary.

Militarism and Peace

Of all the social issues that Star Trek alludes to or addresses, the one it seems to spend the most time on is the ethics of war and peace. Star Trek ran during the escalation period of the Vietnam war, a time when relations among the superpowers were tense. It takes numerous opportunities to make comments and address war and peace issues, overall criticising use of force or the threat of it to achieve policy. Star Trek sets up and develops throughout the series striking parallels between the United Federation of Planets and the "West", and the Klingon Empire and the Romulan Star Empire as the "East". The series also have episodes that do not involve either of the Federation's enemies, but still make forceful comments on the evils of militarism.

The United Federation of Planets, the governing body in Star Trek with the Enterprise belonging to its military service Starfleet, is a product of the second season of Star Trek - prior to this the governing body of Star Trek is a united Earth government. Terry Worland in his article "Captain Kirk: Cold Warrior" offers and enlightening discussion of the relationship between the Federation and its adversaries. During the first season, the Enterprise has a few isolated skirmishes with both enemies, but as soon as the Federation is introduced, conflict between them takes on an ideological flavor in the episodes (Wortland 110). "It became clear that the Federation controlled a definite sphere of influence and a vital interest [that was being] continually challenged and threatened" (110). Moreover, Wortland believes that the Federation is not another United Nations, a rather weak organization with limited tools for achieving policy, but rather resembles the "free world" being defended by Starfleet, representative of NATO and the United States (110). "If the Federation represents America and the Western alliance, consider that during the time of Star Trek's production the U.S. government was seeking to challenge two principal adversaries in the Third World, especially in Vietnam" (112). According to David Gerrold, just as America was supposed to be the policeman for the world, Star Trek is the policeman for the galaxy, all at a time when it was being questioned whether or not America should play that role (Gerrold 156). Starfleet's originally scientific mission becomes one to "spread truth, justice, and the American Way to the far corners of the universe" (156) as well as to defend the Federation against its cancerous adversaries.

Just as the Federation comes to represent the "West" of 20th century earth, The Klingons seemingly come to represent America's staunchest adversary- the Soviet Union. William Blake Tyrell in his essay "Star Trek as Myth and Television as Mythmaker" compares the Klingons and the Romulans to the Indian tribes the U.S. fought in the western part of the country. The Klingons are the "Magua- sly, perfidious, and fallen" while the Romulans are the "Chingachgook, the noble warrior ever outside the white man's world" (Tyrell 712). However, I believe that given the time period in which Star Trek ran on NBC that examination of both the Klingons and the Romulans in terms of 1960's superpower relations provides a better interpretation of these two forces.) The Klingons are a race of warriors from a part of the galaxy contiguous to Federation territory. They are thoroughly rotten creatures capable of such brutality and violent conquest as to make Josef Stalin in the Soviet Union seem like a mere street corner bully. "Think of the Mongol Hordes with spaceships and ray guns. To the Klingons, Genghis Khan was a phony and Attila the Hun was a fairy. And Hitler was only a beginner" (Gerrold 22). They seem to live by the maxim that "rules are made to be broken by shrewdness, deceit, or power" (qtd in Tyrell 712). The Klingons are ruthless, planet-conquerers who use violent means to colonize "third- worlds". Kor, the Klingon commander "Errand of Mercy" (airdate 3/23/67), establishes Klingon rule on Organia with an iron-hand, issuing orders banning public gatherings of more than two people and a whole host of other repressive measures. Klingons are also creatures of duty and fatality- the hope of every Klingon is to die in battle. During the episode "Day of the Dove (airdate 11/1/68), Kang, the Klingon commander of a small force holding part of the Enterprise, responds to Kirk's threat to kill his wife with a fatalistic statement that she knows the costs of final victory and is willing to pay with her life in order to further the greater glory of the empire. According to Worland, the Federation is locked in a "Cold War" with the Klingon Empire over the colonization of "third worlds", and moreover, the Federation is committed to stopping the spread of "Klingonism" at all costs (Worland 110). Indeed, the Federation does conflict with the Federation over developing planets in the episodes "The Trouble with Tribles" (airdate 12/29/67) and "Friday's Child" (airdate 12/1/67).

However, one episode of Star Trek including a battle with the Klingons over a developing planet that makes a seemingly direct comment on the Vietnam War is "A Private Little War" (airdate 2/22/68). In this episode, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy beam down to a planet in the Organian-imposed neutral zone where Kirk was once stationed. They find the Hillpeople and the Villagers engaged in a war, and oddly enough, the Villagers have flintlock rifles- weapons they could not have possibly developed in Kirk's absence. Kirk suspects the Klingons of supplying the Villagers with their relatively advanced weaponry, but he needs absolute proof. After obtaining that proof, and a few flintlocks to boot, Kirk returns to the Hillpeople's camp to arm them with the exact same weaponry. He justifies his action to Dr. McCoy by referring to the "20th century brush wars on the Asian continent" and noting that the only way to deal with the situation then was to maintain the balance of power between the two opposing sides. Kirk feels that he must do the same thing now as was done them in order to fight the Klingons. But by the end of the story, Kirk realizes that he has opened a Pandora's box by arming the Hillpeople and does not arm them anymore than he has. Oddly enough, this episode was broadcast during the Tet offensive, the bloody two month long attack by the Viet Cong on every major city in the Republic of Vietnam, including Saigon. This is widely acknowledged as the turing point of the Vietnam War as far as American public opinion. In this episode, "[Kirk] adopts the rhetoric of five presidential administrations in describing the causes of a civil war and the rationale for American/Federation involvement" (Wortand 114). Here, the Hillpeople come to represent the South Vietnamese as the U.S. government would have liked the public to view them- peaceful, unaggressive, and good-natured. Likewise, the Villagers come to represent the North Vietnamese and the Viet Cong who readily take aid from the Klingons/Soviet Union. However, Wortland believes that Star Trek stopped just short of making a strong comment on the war. Instead, he feels the episode is ambivalent, wavering between a pro and anti war stance (Wortland 113). Because of this, both sides probably labeled it as either "treasonous" or "sharp criticism [of the war]" (Wortland 114). Either way, it seems that this episode was lucky to make it on the air given this very touchy subject.

The Klingons are not the only adversaries the Federation face. On the other side of Federation space lay the Romulan Star Empire. The Romulans are not seen very much during the course of the series. Apparently, the humans and the Romulans fought a major interplanetary war to a stand-off, then negociated a treaty calling for the establishment of a neutral zone that entrance into by either side constituted an act of war. The Romulans are creatures of pure duty, more so than the Klingons. In "Balance of Terror" (airdate 12/15/66), an episode during which the Enterprise and a Romulan warship engage in a battle, the commander's final act is to destroy his disabled ship to avoid the disgrace of capture. Comparatively, the Romulans are a regional power, but also one not to be taken lightly; allied with the Klingon Empire, they copy Klingon warship design in "The Enterprise Incident" (airdate 9/27/68) (Wortland 112). The Romulans were not as repulsive as the Klingons were, but they were much smarter than their Klingon counterparts (Gerrold 23). They are also not completely despised as the Klingons are, principally because they and Mr. Spock have the same distant ancestors (Wortland 111).

The episode "The Enterprise Incident" involves an act of blatant espionage by the Federation on the Romulan Star Empire. The episode opens by Captain Kirk, in a seemingly insane state of mind, orders the Enterprise across the neutral zone and into Romulan space only to be captured. While aboard one of the Romulan ships, Spock "kills" Captain Kirk with the Vulcan Death Grip (there is no such thing, but the Romulans do not know that!) after Kirk accuses him of selling him and the rest of the ship out. Back on the Enterprise, Kirk is given plastic surgery so that he looks like a Romulan. Then the true nature of the mission is revealed: the Enterprise is to obtain the Romulan cloaking device, a device the Federation considers a major threat to its security. They steal one of the devices and escape safely back to Federation space. It is widely known that Dorothy (D.C.) Fontana wrote this episode in response to the capture of the U.S. spy ship Pueblo in 1968. The vessel was allegedly spying for the U.S. in North Korean waters when it was captured. The captain was then told to sign a confession of spying or risk losing his crew. According to Wortland, the original plot was an exact parallel of the Pueblo incident, putting Captain Kirk in the same position as the captain of the Pueblo. But, intense pressure demanded that the episode be rewritten as to remove and doubt that the spying was justified (Wortland 113). "In fact, the way Star Trek told it, we were justified because our side was right and theirs wasn't" (Gerrold 159). Indeed, the episode could have served as a dramatic stage for television to make an argument about whether the U.S. was right in spying in this manner (it was widely believed that the government was lying about the position of the Pueblo when it was captured, but like other aspects of the show, Star Trek neglected this opportunity as well.

Finally, one episode that does not include either the Klingons or the Romulans makes a comment on the Vietnam War and on war in general. "A Taste of Armageddon", the Enterprise encounters a planet that is at war with one of its neighbors, but seems to be a thriving civilization not affected by the carnage of war. Kirk discovers that many generations before, the two planets agreed to continue their war, but to reduce it to computer simulated attacks and requiring the "casualties" to report for disintegration. Kirk destroys their computer (an abrogation of the treaty signed between the two planets) so that they will finally realize that the carnage, brutality, and horrific death of war makes it something to be avoided. David Gerrold compares the counting of casualties and requiring those people to submit to disintegration to the statistics coming out of Vietnam on troop strenth and body counts of the enemy (often believed to be greately underestimated) (Gerrold 156). War, when reduced to mere numbers, becomes painless and unobjectionable. Star Trek's moral here is to object to that reformulation of war. Indeed, the leaders of the planet finally agree and open talks with their enemy to put an end to their war once and for all.

Plainly, Star Trek does attempt to address war and peace issues, largely along the lines of present day earth's East/West conflict. However, it could have made much stronger statements, but it chose not to for various reasons. Americans themselves were beginning to be unsure about the morality of their country's actions. It is quite possible that this is why Star Trek refuses to take a stronger stance regarding warfare.

Conclusion

Star Trek does indeed make comments on its time period, and this is what separates it from other science fiction programs of its time period. Perhaps this is one reason for the series's immense popularity, for the social issues dealt with in Star Trek are also social issues of our day if to a different degree. The feminist movement is firmly established and has made much progress in the area of women's rights. Equal pay for equal work is now the law in Washington state, on-demand abortion is now legal thanks to Roe v. Wade in 1973, and women are breaking out of traditional sex roles and stereotypes in practically all aspects of life. Race relations have improved greately, although problems still exist. School integration spurred on by bussing has integrated the public schools and helped to mold a new generation with the ideas of racial equality firmly embedded in their beliefs. Still, hate groups exist despite social and legal pressure to stamp them out. Tensions have eased somewhat among the superpowers, but possibility of conflict in the third world still exists. Star Trek reminds us that these social issues are timeless for our society, and if our society is to progress to the day when we can peacefully explore and colonize space, these issues must be finally and absolutely resolved.
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This is what Trek has Lost and no amount of liens flares ,CGI new weapon systems or technobable will never be given back until Trek returns to it roots that of being the thinking man's Scifi .

Lord know we need that more than ever now in this era of mindless entertainment that is digitally breath taking but hollow and soulless.
 
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Don’t get me wrong, I like Picard and company, I adore “modern†ships like the Sovereign, Galaxy, Defiant and Intrepid, I like the TNG-era in general but I have to say that…

…one of the failings of the TNG films was the fact that after the profound success of First Contact, the next two films (Insurrection and Nemesis) largely became dull and rather outdated due to a number of factors.

By the mid 1990’s, the basic tech concepts and the general aesthetics which made TNG distinctive were already ten years old. The basic look and direction for the series’ appearance were made in the 1986-1987 period. Truth be told, “Present Day†innovations were already catching up to the “Future Technologies†of the show. Take LCARS for example, touch screens seemed like a novel idea in the 80’s but by the late 90’s, it was practically achievable. The same goes for the PADD’s, which were already comparable to the PDA’s and high end cellphones of the time. The point is, “The Next Generation†failed to keep up with the times. The series was initially conceptualized to showcase futuristic and cutting edge technologies. Instead, each film became stagnant in the name of continuity and there was little room for any “new†developments except for newer ships, the transition to CGI, more contemporary uniforms and animated LCARS backgrounds. The rest were practically rehashes and redresses of things we had seen before.

Despite its mixed reviews and the controversial Kirk death scene, Generations was considered a success due to the fact that TNG’s general popularity was still quite at its peak by 1994. The series had recently ended and it was pretty cool to see the Enterprise-D crew, sets and the ship herself on the big screen. Kirk and the lot also helped to up the ante, being a crossover film and all.

First Contact was also a winner because it was essentially a modernization of TNG’s basic concepts for the big screen. Having gotten rid of the previous ship, it was an opportunity to show off a “newer†and “cooler†Enterprise-E. The overall tone also became more militaristic in general akin to the similar change of pace seen in TWOK. Like the film, the sets became more utilitarian in terms of colors and aesthetics. Likewise, the colorful spandex-esque 80’s jumpsuits were finally replaced by the more contemporary grey uniforms. Mimicking the change from the Pajama TMP clothes to the red “Horatio Hornblower†TMP ones. Other helpful factors also contributed to FC’s success. The time travel and origin story of choice was exceptional. Jonathan Frakes’ choice as director was also phenomenal as he knew how Trek worked. Overall, FC was pretty much free of continuity errors and the contrived astro-political scenarios of the 2370’s which embroiled the later outings.

In my humble opinion, TNG’s film trends pretty much went downhill by the time of 1998’s Insurrection and the contrived trainwreck that was 2002’s Nemesis. Looking beyond canon and established details about the stories, both of them failed to really bring anything “new†to the table. Both essentially featured this one time villain which had some elaborate plot. Overall, they were so cliché that it led to their failures.

From what I observed, the filmmakers and producers became a little too conservative in the last two TNG movies in the name of preserving canon. Case in point, TNG was no longer cutting edge in terms of technology and scope compared to similar films. It wouldn’t have hurt to have some holographic “floating†touch screens on the Big-E’s bridge. Dynamic and bold sets were s****ped in favor of “redressing†older ones. It would have been really great if they had been able to really flesh out the settings of the films in much greater detail. Romulus’ capital was just seen briefly in Nemesis as a so-so CGI model and it was mostly represented by this small-ish low budget court room. Same also goes for the Ba’ku planet in Insurrection, it was such a pitiful excuse for an “alien†planet that it was laughable. They practically filmed the setting in a generic Earth-like forest with aliens who happened to look like humans (again). What do they take us for?!

Despite its great debut in FC, the Enterprise-E herself was never really fully fleshed out as her designers intended. The distinctive long high detail shots which characterized the earlier TMP films were replaced by quick and fast clips of the Enterprise-E shooting stuff. After FC, the Enterprise had lost her “class†in a way. The ship was no longer this grand and elaborate vessel. It wouldn’t have hurt to show scenes that really emphasized to the viewer that she was this huge and functional starship. They could have at least showed as a full working shuttlebay when the Argo departed in Nemesis or an elaborate and modern reception hall in Insurrection’s first act. It also would have been great if we had seen the Enterprise-E return back to Earth similar to the style in ST III. It would have been eye candy to see long shots of the damaged Big-E parking in drydock. I could just imagine it, workbees flying around, sister ships escorting her in and scenes showing docking ports and the lot.

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So, based from my long winded musings, I have no problem with TNG in general. The fundamental concepts of the era are still pretty sound and decent for today’s standards. But they should be done right to be successful.

So my choice is “Anything post-Nemesisâ€. For me, the ideal TNG film should have the following factors.

- An engaging storyline with an underlying moral theme.
- A director and producer who knows Trek by heart.
- A hearty budget to fully flesh out the story and necessary visuals and sets.
- Adhere to canon but should also bring something really new to the table.
- Treat the titular ship like a grand lady, not like a super fast fighter jet shooting stuff.
- The plot shouldn’t necessarily involve a single bad guy.
 

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Jet, as always you make a strong case, and also perfect sense. Some more shots of the big E-E would have been welcome - and the way you describe the closing shots of the crippled sovvy being coaxed back home to port sound awesome.

I actually think that it would make a very interesting (and more Star Trek) type movie if we followed b-4 on his quest to becoming Data... and also more human... Like Bi-centennial man... but without coming out of the movie with an urge to kill Robin Williams. Although you might come out of the movie with homicidal tendencies toward Brent Spinner...

But I digress...

I think a movie with a little less explosions, a little more humanity and a little more exploration (and possibly the odd punch up - Kirk Style) would be awesome - like the search for Spock without the cheesy slapstick humor... Although The Search for Data... doesn't quite have the same ring to it...
 

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I still say Voyager and no one will ever be able to change my mind on that. I am an avid Voyager fan. :)
 

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After reading all that ^
I think both Hellkite, and Jetfreak have nailed it for me.
Excellent posts, both of you:thumbsup:
 

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Wow, seems to be quite a powder keg. I really didn't anticipate the controversies. :sweat: Well, that's why we're here.
 

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So it's not for the cat nip (""cat pot"") You get Terra_Inc every time someone votes in a poll ;)
 
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So it's not for the cat nip (""cat pot"") You get Terra_Inc every time someone votes in a poll ;)

Who mentioned katnipz??? I'm clean. I really am. YESREALLYYESREALLYYESREALLY! Tee Hee!
 
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K so I don't have to refill the dispenser's hopper then its all most empty :) 25 kg pack gone in two weeks :sweat:

But back to topic

I concur with Jetfreak assessment of what went wrong the TNG Movies
 
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Making a movie better than "Undiscovered Country?" No way.

(My post might be a bit... well... confusing, but I just came back from 12h work :) )

But this about TNG:
I have to strongly agree with HK and Jetfreak. Trek has lost its talent for telling moral and political stories. The Episode "A Private Little War" is one of the best Trek produced, ever (in my opinion.)
I enjoyed Trek when it made statements about stuff that really happens.

A TNG movie about the Dominion War would be too tempting to redo all the mistakes made after First Contact.
FC was a good made Trek war movie, but Trek doesn't have it's strength in showing war... quite the contrary.


And I voted for "Klingons". Basically, because the best Trek films had lots of Klingons in them :D
As for Klingons, I also enjoyed the TNG Klingons, but the TMP ones were just better. Less "I want to die in battle"-rattle.

Don't get me wrong, I watched all the Trek movies after Generations in the cinema and every time I did feel entertained. But that's it.
As for Data: He's gone. Deal with it. I think it was a good decision. Because people "pass away" (as much as an android can do that).
Luanne "Kat" Katraine died as well.

I want to see Star Trek. If I want Star Wars, I watch Star Wars.

I think a movie with a little less explosions, a little more humanity and a little more exploration (and possibly the odd punch up - Kirk Style) would be awesome.

Amen!

Why can't movie and TV show producers get it right anymore? B5 was awesome, NBSG, too (before RDM began thinking, that the crew was part of a mission straight from God).
 

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I think that part of the problem could be that they're simply running out of moral dilemmas. After so long there isn't a whole lot left to touch on that's still relevant.

Additionally, the political face of the Alpha and Beta quadrants has remained pretty stable since TNG started. None of the major powers have had any real wars with each other and the new groups gaining strength never got powerful enough to challenge the Big Three, the Cardassians and Ferengi being the best examples. The universe that Trek takes place in has largely ceased to grow and evolve. A major power shift, such as the Klingons, Romulans, or even the Federation being wiped out would go a long way toward changing up the setting.

Showing us the universe from a different perspective would also help. Rather than following a Starfleet crew, why not follow a merchant ship or show us a Klingon caste other than the warriors, or even Romulan rebels?

Another issue is that there are a bunch of loose ends that were never mentioned again or only rarely mentioned. Whatever happened to the Romulan-Vulcan Reunification plot? Or the Kahless clone? Exactly how powerful is Section 31 anyway? Are there more people like the Traveler?

There is a lot to focus on, but the developers seem to be unwilling to break the status quo.
 

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I think the problem is that the current crop of producers are to scared to take a leap of faith on us fans. It started with Voyager and got real bad in Enterprise. It killed the TV part of the franchies.

This whole talk gave me a hankering for a song
 
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Wow Starfox - you got your butt assimilated...

I totally agree with pretty much everyone here - but CABAL most of all - the Trek universe (at least in the TOS - to - TNG cannon - yes, Im not counting STXI, even though I actually liked it) has completely ceased to evolve. Ever since TNG, if something major happens, it happens to either a "new" or "minor" race... The Dominion War, although being against what Roddenberry actually wanted for Star Trek, was probably the most exciting thing to happen to Star Trek for ages - although the TNG tvm "Best of Both Worlds" was excellent too...

I think to really move forward in any meaningful and entertaining manner, something huge has to happen; the destruction or collapse of a major faction in the Alpha / Beta Quad. Or the destruction of Earth, or IDK SOMETHING big...

Also - filling some plot holes would be nice too...

Another thought occurs - what of the Marquis? (sp??) I would love to see a dirtier side to the whole Trek universe - imagine it - kind like Serenity, but with less focus on the Cowboy approach and a little more trek... The crew of misfits and renegades making a living off of the filthy underbelly of Trek society - I would pay to see that... if it were properly scripted...
 

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I think to really move forward in any meaningful and entertaining manner, something huge has to happen; the destruction or collapse of a major faction in the Alpha / Beta Quad. Or the destruction of Earth, or IDK SOMETHING big...
I think that did already happen, kind of. The poor Romulans, first their whole senate is killed by a power-hungry human clone, then their planets are destroyed (yes, I include Remus, doesn't make sense to think that only one of the two was destroyed), and then a vengeful Romulan who looks a lot like he's a human clone runs off to kill the Senate again (provided that we believe the comics), creates and ruins an alternate universe and gets himself killed. The Romulans are now ruined as a plot device, nobody wants to see something about them now. It's a shame - they are such an interesting race, but all of those movies never really showed much of their culture...

But no, instead of showing the impact on the Romulan people itself, all that we see is a single extremist going mad and fleeing into the past of an alternate universe, where he can throw a fit with his GodShip. Bah. :cry:
 

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Terra, I agree - to a certain extent. Maybe I didn't really explain myself properly ( I do get really excited from time to time:confused:...)

I was meaning that these things should happen in the TNG continuum, and in a way whereby we can see the effect of said happenings on the characters we know and care about (the crew of the Enterprise / Voyager / DS9 et. al.) Although I think Frakes would need to go on a serious diet to fit into Riker's uniform again...

Romulus was destroyed (and by logical deduction, Remus MUST have gone KABLOOOWY too) but all we got from it was a lousy premise for an "alternate reality" re - boot of our beloved franchise. Oh, and the destruction of Vulcan... But again, this all happened in an alternate version of TOS... Trek Wars or whatever you want to call it...

I would love to see the social, political, military, racial etc ramifications of the destruction of the Romulan seat of power on the Post - TNG time-line - that is the SOMETHING big I was referring to...

An idea occurs - Romulan empire ceases to exist (come on - Romulus and Remus BOTH gone - what empire can withstand THAT?)

So - how about a story of the Romulan refugees, the end of their era as a galactic super power, and so on... Its quite sad, there are so many avenues that the producers could go down and still BE Star Trek - but as has already been mentioned on this thread, the production team are afraid to make any choice other than the one that makes the biggest bucks (hence the - enjoyable though dumb - Star Trek Wars thing we got last year...)

I hope this clears up what I was on about... although I doubt it... my meds dont kick in for another 20 minutes or so...:drool:
 

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trek need to look at the world as it is Today

Let go back to the archetype

Federation = US-Nato

Klingons = Russia

Romulans = China

Cardassians = Middle Eastern countries

Gorn = North Korea


Simply supply the current world geopolitical climate and you get a good foundation for story lines

Example


U.S. general: No threat to troops, civilians in tense Korea

Lt. Gen. John D. Johnson, commander of the Seoul-based 8th Army, said he believes people should continue their normal activities.

North Korea said Tuesday that U.S. military exercises with South Korea could lead to "all-out war any time." But for the thousands of U.S. military dependents on the Korean Peninsula, it’s largely business as usual, the newspaper Stars & Stripes reports.

Any move to evacuate the U.S. citizens is “not even close,†Stripes quotes a U.S. Forces Korea spokesman as saying.

“We don’t feel that there’s a threat here, and we feel that the situation is normal and we keep on monitoring the situation,†Lt. Col. Jeff Buczkowski, an 8th Army spokesman, told Stripes.

“As of now, we don’t see any threat to 8th Army soldiers or families on mainland Korea. I encourage you to continue your normal, daily activities,†Lt. Gen. John D. Johnson, commander of the Seoul-based 8th Army, wrote on the unit’s website.

“We listen to the news, but we don’t let it affect our lives,†Orlando Lopez, an Army captain with a wife and two children in Seoul, told Stripes. “Right now, we think it’s calmed down.â€

The U.S. military maintains a force of 28,500 in South Korea, the U.S. State Department says. About half of those troops are allowed to bring family members, according to USFK.

Tensions have been high on the Korean Peninsula for the past week after a North Korean artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island killed four people and wounded 18 others. South Korea responded with shelling of its own.

On Monday, South Korea and the United States launched joint anti-submarine military exercises in the Yellow Sea, prompting more angry words from Pyongyang.

“The U.S. and the South Korean warmongers are escalating confrontation and tension through ceaseless moves to ignite a war, seriously disturbing peace and security on the Korean Peninsula,†a report from the North’s Korea Central News Agency said.

But Gen. Walter Sharp, commander of U.S. Forces Korea, says in a statement on the command website that “the situation is calmer now†and only advises families to be sure contact information is updated in the event of an emergency.

And Stripes points out, the U.S. State Department has not issued a travel alert for South Korea.


Trek version

Starfleet Admiral: No threat to troops, civilians in tense typon secto

Admiral. John D. Johnson, commander of the typon sector -based 8th fleet, said he believes people should continue their normal activities.

Gorn said Tuesday that Starfleet military exercises with Baku could lead to "all-out war any time." But for the thousands of Starfleet military dependents in the typon sector, it’s largely business as usual, the Fednet news reports.

Any move to evacuate the Federation. citizens is “not even close,†Fednet news quotes a Starfleet spokesman as saying.

“We don’t feel that there’s a threat here, and we feel that the situation is normal and we keep on monitoring the situation,†Commander Jeff Buczkowski, an 8th Fleet spokesman, told Fednet news

“As of now, we don’t see any threat to 8th Fleet Crewmen or families in the sector. I encourage you to continue your normal, daily activities,†Admiral. John D. Johnson, commander of the typon sector, wrote on the Fleets news reless

“We listen to the news, but we don’t let it affect our lives,†Orlando Lopez, an Lt commander with a wife and two children in typon sector, told Fednet. “Right now, we think it’s calmed down.â€

The Starlfeet maintains a force of 28,500 in Baku, the Federation Department says. About half of those troops are allowed to bring family members, according to Starfleet info net.

Tensions have been high on the typon sector for the past week after a Gorn attack on Yeonpyeong station killed four people and wounded 18 others. the Baku responded with topedos of its own.

On Monday, Baku and the Federation launched joint anti-radier military exercises in the sector, prompting more angry words from Gorn home world.

“The Federation and the Baku warmongers are escalating confrontation and tension through ceaseless moves to ignite a war, seriously disturbing peace and security on the typon sector,†a report from the Gorn Central News Agency said.

But Fleet Admiral Walter Sharp, commander of Federation Forces , says in a statement on the command website that “the situation is calmer now†and only advises families to be sure contact information is updated in the event of an emergency.

Admiral Sharps points out, the Federation State Department has not issued a travel alert for typon sector.
 

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Terra, I agree - to a certain extent. Maybe I didn't really explain myself properly ( I do get really excited from time to time:confused:...)

I was meaning that these things should happen in the TNG continuum, and in a way whereby we can see the effect of said happenings on the characters we know and care about (the crew of the Enterprise / Voyager / DS9 et. al.) Although I think Frakes would need to go on a serious diet to fit into Riker's uniform again...

Romulus was destroyed (and by logical deduction, Remus MUST have gone KABLOOOWY too) but all we got from it was a lousy premise for an "alternate reality" re - boot of our beloved franchise. Oh, and the destruction of Vulcan... But again, this all happened in an alternate version of TOS... Trek Wars or whatever you want to call it...

I would love to see the social, political, military, racial etc ramifications of the destruction of the Romulan seat of power on the Post - TNG time-line - that is the SOMETHING big I was referring to...

An idea occurs - Romulan empire ceases to exist (come on - Romulus and Remus BOTH gone - what empire can withstand THAT?)

So - how about a story of the Romulan refugees, the end of their era as a galactic super power, and so on... Its quite sad, there are so many avenues that the producers could go down and still BE Star Trek - but as has already been mentioned on this thread, the production team are afraid to make any choice other than the one that makes the biggest bucks (hence the - enjoyable though dumb - Star Trek Wars thing we got last year...)

I hope this clears up what I was on about... although I doubt it... my meds dont kick in for another 20 minutes or so...:drool:

It's OK, that was exactly what I meant, too. I was quite angry when I read somewhere that (according to the STXI comics) the destruction of their homeplanets was waved aside as just an accident or something... WTH?
 
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I dunno, after reading this thread completely I am confused slightly. Seems like everyone wants a new TNG movie to be different, but the same. Maybe it is time to simply take the next TNG based movie in an entirely different direction. Completely away from anything connected to any of the series or previous films. This is what I was trying out in the Star Trek: Gen 3 thread. Totally new ship and characters in a totally new setting which keeps only a vestigial contact with Star Trek: TNG. (IE, uniforms and hull registries). Think about it. Star Trek: TNG hasn't really moved past the Borg or the Dominion for twenty years. Nemesis was just an after effect from the Dominion War, wasn't it? It is long past time for Star Trek to reinvent itself once again. Of course a lot of people whom are fans will not care for this at all.

I liked the new film. JJAbrams did a very fine job trying to recapture the spirit of TOS. He's right. New fans and new ideas and new perceptions do need to be brought in. This is the point where the howls from the hardcore FanBoys try to drown out my voice. Something should be done to bring Star Trek into the 21st Century. And doesn't that seem odd to say?
 
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