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Majestic
25-07-2006, 18:25
07.22.2006
New Poster Sends Clues to Direction of Next Movie
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A picture, even a mere image that hints at a broader picture, can instantly give you a snapshot of things to come.
The production team that now holds the creative reins for the next Star Trek movie project has released a piece of artwork this weekend (to coincide with Comic-Con) that provides a Polaroid of an era past, as well as a vision yet to be revealed. With this familiar imagery, the direction of the next movie is now officially open to speculation.
J.J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof are the film's producers; Bryan Burk, Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci are executive producers. The film is slated for release in 2008.
Well we can all tell what era the new movie is going to be in. Bad move if you ask me.
http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/19575.html
CrazyFrog1903
25-07-2006, 18:58
I think it might be good. There is still so much that is noncanon from that era. If done right it could be great. I strongly urge the IF part.
okay i may be a bit slow what era is that from
Majestic
25-07-2006, 20:15
TOS - Kirk's Era.
Personally, I think a complete "reboot" of the Star Trek universe is needed. Most people today that would be interested in it were not around in 1966 when TOS came to the little silver screen. Now would be the perfect time to "reinvent" the wheel, like with BSG. I think a new movie taking the lead to a new version of Star Trek would be great. Sure, some old farts are going to object. But why not. Back in 1965 when they started Star Trek, they had to make all the sets with 1960's Technology. Imagination was way higher than the technical possibilties back then. Just imagine what Star Trek: The original Series would look like if they started making it in 2007!
ive only seen 3 or 4 episodes of the original series and i diddent realy like them, i just hope this will be better
I just wanted to post this.
J.J. Abrams, producer of hit shows Lost and Alias, as well as director of the upcoming Paramount film "Mission: Impossible III," is slated to produce and possibly direct the next Star Trek feature, according to today's Daily Variety and sources at Paramount Pictures. There is no title as yet for the new movie, but it will be the eleventh in the franchise. (Until a title is selected, we will usually refer to the project as simply "Star Trek XI.")
Although there isn't an official Paramount press release announcing the movie, it is a confirmed project under development with a 2008 release date targeted. Word about the Abrams project surfaced this morning (April 21) in the daily trade paper. He will be writing the script with Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, who penned "M:i:III." STARTREK.COM will keep you up to date on all official statements as they are released.
According to Variety, the proposed story will focus on the early days of James T. Kirk and Spock, including their first meeting at Starfleet Academy and their first mission in space. UPDATE 04.27.06: Abrams has since indicated this may not be the case; see this article for his recent comments.
Abrams' producing partners from Lost, Damon Lindelof and Bryan Burk, are cited as being producers on "Trek XI." This project is separate from the previously rumored script developed by Eric Jendresen and overseen by Rick Berman. The former Star Trek producer is not involved in this project.
This announcement is exciting news, and we look forward to following developments on this project every step of the way!
It looks like we will be getting some new info in the next few months about what is happening with this.
Theta Sigma
20-01-2008, 05:00
Teaser:
YouTube - Star Trek XI Teaser (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RllSZW_YLk8)
Timothyjmcneeley
20-01-2008, 15:06
I have never seen that trailer, I'm going to have to look into it. I personaly think it's going to be a fantasic movie, for the simple reason Syf made. The technology.
Looks good, I may go and see it afterall :)
that must be the trailer they are showing before cloverfield.
Paulhanselluk
21-01-2008, 05:03
that must be the trailer they are showing before cloverfield.
from what I have been told you are correct, still its definatly a teaser.....
CrazyFrog1903
21-01-2008, 13:42
I do like how that teaser was done. Very cool.
Borg_Queen
21-01-2008, 13:58
Awesome teaser. This is looking good. :D
it give me hope, that it may not be as bad as i think its going to be.
Timothyjmcneeley
22-01-2008, 13:34
Check the homep age of Just the Facts on STAR TREK on Yahoo! Movies (http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/justthefacts_startrek.html) or yahoo news. Its posted front page news, so its gotta be big.
I've corrected the link to the main article. This link is approved- Syf
Borg_Queen
22-01-2008, 14:57
TMC, have you asked about if that link was ok? The link shows to advertising of products and shopping as well so I'm not sure if it's ok.
On another note, I'm really starting to look forward to this new movie.
Yeah it's looking better than I thought it would.
La Patience
28-01-2008, 21:29
Well its made me worry less hee iim kinda looking forward to it now hee besides i love the TOS era ships Hee
Theta Sigma
17-10-2008, 16:44
Images from the movie have now been released:
Incredible Star Trek Images! (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Incredible-Star-Trek-Images-10541.html)
Majestic
18-10-2008, 20:40
Looking good but I hate the bridge, it's too white and light!
EAS_Intrepid
19-10-2008, 08:40
Yeah, the bridge really looks stupid. Looks like it was build by Apple. This CIC design has more in common with an Ipod than a typical Trek bridge :lol:
From what it looks like, Star Trek XI is promising.
The "Bad Romulan Nero" looks like Shinzon...
I have to say, the actors are going to take some getting used to... I hope they put on a great performance.
EAS_Intrepid
19-10-2008, 09:20
If they don't, Trek is doomed.
I give Star Trek XI a chance, but I definately will watch it in a cinema where they show the English version. German synchro is getting worse and worse.
Lord_Trekie
21-10-2008, 05:00
I'm still very very very nervous about ST XI, but I will, like most, give it a chance... And what are the odds that they have a MAC powering the screen displays on the bridge? :p
All in all, looks good. Great cast (if you ask me), and nice layouts. Can't say I'm overly fond of a bald Romulan (too much like Shinzon), and am not a fan of that new ship design. They should have used the common Akula Class or something.
It seems as if an image of the Enterprise herself has been released.
Not Impressed!!!!
'Star Trek': An exclusive first look at the Enterprise | PopWatch Blog | EW.com (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/11/star-trek-first.html)
Majestic
14-11-2008, 11:54
It seems as if an image of the Enterprise herself has been released.
Not Impressed!!!!
'Star Trek': An exclusive first look at the Enterprise | PopWatch Blog | EW.com (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/11/star-trek-first.html)
The ship design has been floating around the web for quite sometime. I must say I am not overly joyed by the design, I would design it a little more like the TOS version but have it fit in with Enterprise, something like my re-imagine models just with darker textures or like some of the fan designs over at Sci-Fi Meshes.
I have mixed feelings about the new ship. Since it's supposed to be the original 1701, I don't see why they had to mess with the design that much. However at the same time, I'm open-minded, so it's good to see something fresh.
Jasoneagle
15-11-2008, 03:59
Looks as if they even changed the layout of the bridge a bit as well wonder what else they are planing to change.
And I also agree I am not impressed by the look of the new enterprise.
StarBlade
15-11-2008, 07:16
it's supposed to be the original 1701, I don't see why they had to mess with the design that much.
The presence of torpedo tube launchers on the 'neck' make me wonder how they're going to retcon this one: why would they take the tubes OUT of the '60s Connie when they were present in this apparently-original version of the Connie, only to add them back to the design in the '70s movie refit? It doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.
Every other element of the design --even the awkwardly phallic warp nacelles-- I can accept as being more akin to the original "Cage" pilot sort of look for the Enterprise.
Obviously the look of the ship counts for precisely zero. The Enterprise-E looked real nice but if First Contact had sucked maybe we'd all have different opinions of her, too. I still want to at least hear a story synopsis before I completely dismiss this one. Still, I hope they know what they're doing. What worries me most is that they know and they don't care about what guys like me think. The more new Trek I see, the more I'm convinced that's exactly the problem.
:D
that is one ugly design. Majestic's connie redesign looked better, as did that Gabe K one.
And what is up with that bridge design?
The movie has potential if the cast live up to expectations, and can pull the whole thing off, but the ship just seems wrong...
Majestic
15-11-2008, 15:38
Thanks Knight, i'm flattered. :oops:
Yeah I do think a few alterations on both the ship and bridge are in order. Too me it just doesn't fit in with any of the Trek series all too well but I guess only time will tell. I will leave my judgement till I actually see the movie but I would've rather seen Gabe K's design or another fan design over the one they have.
Theta Sigma
17-11-2008, 04:30
New trailer:
YouTube - Star Trek 11 Jornada nas Estrelas (Trailer 14 nov 2008) (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=I0WNPb8R-40)
Jasoneagle
17-11-2008, 05:21
I do have to wonder about one thing though... A Sort of Star Trek Standard with Kirk, Who will be the Lady he get to Flirt with in this Movie.
EAS_Intrepid
17-11-2008, 18:52
I do have to wonder about one thing though... A Sort of Star Trek Standard with Kirk, Who will be the Lady he get to Flirt with in this Movie.
It's like with the Bond Girls in a James Bond Spy thriller :lol: Maybe they should let Daniel Craig play Kirk....
I could image that, actually.
La Patience
17-11-2008, 21:40
I am Very worried about this film. I hope they don't Ruin any chance to do another one. I can't live without Trek. Ok maybe that was a little to far but I really hope they make another after this.
The ship looks very un-TOS. it is not a very good move. I don't see what was wronfg with the original ship design. They could have just moddified it a little but kept most of it true to its predisesor.
Plus the Bridge design is like going into the Mac world. It looks far more sophisticated than the Soveraign class.
And another thing i am wary of is the Cast. I like the actors but I have grown up with the TV series cast making the movies. These actors wouldn't end up making a TV series (Oh I so hope they make another TV series) and one aothe rthing. What is up with the New Romulan design They are going for a Piraty look. WTH it makes no sense.
Romulans with Tatoo's.
I will be going to see it of course as it is Trek but I hope I don't come out wishing I had never seen it.
Jasoneagle
17-11-2008, 23:36
Speaking of the rommies I hope that they dont screw up the time line and have the feds see the rommies.
The main problem with the ship is that it tries to follow in the NX line, to look more modern than the NX class because the NX looked like it was from the 24th century. Enterprise completely screwed the series. It's not that Enterprise was that bad, from a non-fan point of view, but from a fan point of view, it was the grand motherload of ****. They killed Star Trek with Enterprise - now they have to double-kill it with this movie. It's like kicking a dead horse.
I'll see the movie, because I want to keep an open mind about it and it might end up alright, but I have so many doubts about it. There are so many fundamental problems with it. I didn't think that the Enterprise even existed when Kirk was that young. Spock shouldn't look so much younger than he did in the original series, because Vulcans really don't age that quickly. And the Enterprise itself looks like it belongs in Captain Picard's fleet, being a battlefield support ship like an Akira or something.
Majestic's Conny and the new Enterprise design - there's no comparison between the two. Majestic's ship is by far the true Constitution. If the franchise honored the fans at all, they would have chosen a design like that instead of some ship that looked like an NX (Akiraprise) evolution. Someone like Majestic would have been perfect for putting in the new design for the ship. A design made BY the fans FOR the fans would be heaven.
Then there's the thing with Spock in the trailer. From what it looks like, he's attacking Kirk and being over-emotional. That's not the Spock I remember from the Original Series. Please, tell me, what were they thinking!? It's like, suddenly orders are passed, "quickly, come up with a plot that will alienate 15 million Trek fans so that we can destroy the franchise yet make a lot of money in the process."
There's another thing with the movie I have a problem with though, and I know it might not seem like too big of a deal, but the idea of it is tiring at best. So many movie series these days have to eliminate the numbering from the movies. Generations did that by eliminating '7' from Star Trek and just putting Star Trek, and the subtitle 'Generations'. So the numbering system ended. But now they went one step further. So far, there's no title for Star Trek 11 other than "Star Trek". And here's another thing that just makes the whole idea for the movie seem somewhat...odd:
Star Trek 1-6: Original Crew
Star Trek 7-10: TNG Crew
Star Trek 11: Original except not-so-original Crew WTF?
What's next?
Star Trek 12: Younger version of Captain Picard commanding the Stargazer, except the guy playing Captain Picard in this case ends up being the same guy who played Shinzon on Nemesis. :lol: Keep in mind, this is if we're lucky enough to see the franchise continue after ST 11.
Seriously, what will they come up with next?
Muad'Dib
19-11-2008, 17:51
Wow, I must admit that I am a bit surprised by all the negativity surrounding this film. But then I am far from a standard "Trekie" to begin with. In most respects I HATE DS9; yup that's right, the series all Trekies go bananas over saying how magnificent it is, how epic, yada yada really really sucked as far as I'm concerned. Aside from Sisko being cool and Dax being really hot, DS9 was once giant borefest with all their nonesensical prophets **** and lame Dominion War off again on again episodes [My God 800,000 people were killed last Friday in the war but a ship full of Vulcans has come to challenge Sisko to a baseball game in the holodeck action must be taken or hey that holographic lounge lizard is being threatened by holographic mobsters and we must help now or anything Rom related...meanwhile the Dominion completely ignores the sole source to endless resupply and reinforcements and what could arguably be described as the most strategically important geographical target in the entire galaxy (except for a single 2 part episode where they had the bad taste to use the exact same battle sequence from the Klingon Civil War assault on DS9 just replacing Klingon ships with Dominion; I mean really guys frame by frame recycled footaged, really?)].
But moving onto this movie in specific, I have to say that I'm glad they didn't use the same lame design of the 60s' TOS, even with modern technology in shows like Enterprise and DS9 those ships never quite looked right. If anything I find this to be more of a combo between TOS and TMP. I really wish everything in this movie (See uniforms) was more TMP to be honest, as ST2 was the only real Trek movie that I find really merits a mention as a really good movie outside of being just a good Trek film(ST6 gets an honorable mention). As far as the design itself it isn't like wow that's awesome, but I don't find it particularly ugly either; but that's just a matter of taste I guess. Frankly I don't know, guess that as I've grown up my opinion of Trek has changed pretty violently. I do like TOS but only in the same hammy way I like the old Lost in Space and Buck Rogers. I hope JJ does to this new group of Trek films what Braga did with Battlestar Galactica so Trek is new again.
As far as casting goes I also think this film is being bashed unfairly, I mean so many people complain about acting, did you guys really ever watch TOS? For one Pine is cast in the shoes of Shatner not Anthony Hopkins, I think he'll be just fine. If anything the young kid playing Kirk saying his whole name made me cringe more than Pine, that though is the classic case of lame lines (Even the best of films have them). Quinto as young Spock is fine for me as this really only emphasizes this is a true reboot and not just a prequel to be fit somewhere in an already repeatedly broken and mangled continuity. The rest of the cast is fine also. The action looks great, especially compared to most Trek action. The sets are bright sure but I'll reserve judgment until I see the final set pieces. Nero looking like a Reman is also OK with me, I'm so sick of "Trek aliens": He's got a wrinkle in his nose or an earring on his eyebrow, or no they wear togas, obviously they're aliens.
The lack of story continuity also is great for me as I really really want this to be completely independent from the original canon, I want new canon just like Ultimate Universe in Marvel comics. I don't want this to fit with ENT-TOS-TMP-TNG-Beyond or anything like that, I want a total fresh start for Star Trek, a new direction with fresh ideas even if they keep the general timelines the same (Romulan Wars, Creation of Federation, Klingon Cold War, etc). In TOS continuity many of these characters served together for the first time during the actual series run, so seeing all of them together now as recent graduates further gives me hope this is not continuity and instead a brand new clean slate for Trek as I'm hoping.
I mean no offense to those who think differently or who are hardcore fans of the established series and canon. I just kind of lost my enthusiasm for Trek once I branched out into better (IMO) sci-fi storytelling and universes like Babylon 5, DUNE and Farscape; and I see this as an opportunity to make me really love Trek again if JJ does it right. So here's hoping.
Just my two cents
Jasoneagle
19-11-2008, 20:20
Honestly, Someone sparked a Decent Idea there with remaking TOS but though they could do it the same as BSG and Totally make new story and such that one only really worked as well as it did because the Majority of the Original BSG fans have grown up a bit (ok so some of us are older :p we all got to admit it now and than) they where looking to Bring in new Younger Fans not just the Old fans, the only problem with the Trek line is that they Cannon (use terms used already) did not end with TOS you have TNG VOY DS9 not to mention the TNG movies or even TMP all this considering they will be having to recreate the intire Genera of Trek, granted they could do this but a lot of us Hard Core Trekkies (again I will admit I have seen nearly every EP of all Versions of Trek) will not be too happy, there is no younger crowd to catch here, they wanted to try that they should wait a few more years and remake everything than, adding things like (Mentioned before) Kirk and Crew talking Face to Face with a Romulan or even one of the other Races not seen in till the later versions of the Universe than that would upset a great many people, and bare in mind that All TOS TMP TNG and yes even the Ideas of VOY and DS9 where all Gene's Creations there for they are True Trek, and me for one I say keep that fact always in mind when Making something for Star Trek, same with other Sci-Fi Remakes, always ask your selves what would _____ Think about this project.
Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry put together a proposal for a science fiction series in 1960. He publicly marketed it as a Western in outer space as a kind of "Wagon Train to the stars", but privately told friends he was modeling it on Swift's "Gulliver's Travels" intending each episode to act on two levels, both as a suspenseful adventure story, and as a morality parable.
Gene Roddenberry stated that by creating "a new world with new rules, I could make statements about sex, religion, Vietnam, politics and intercontinental missiles. Indeed, we did make them on Star Trek: we were sending messages and fortunately they all got by the network"
So far with what I have read Most of every Ep in all Series of Trek keep to these Rules, Dose this movie?
And if they Do Decide to remake the Series than That Truly is beating a Dead Horse and Gene would (In my Opinion) be turning in his Grave.
As for the bits about Fan Created Ships being used I think that they should have done such, Because what better would bring in the Trekkies? A Model of the USS Enterprise NCC 1701 made by some FX/CGI Guys or one By the fans who (almost every one Here and in the Community have) Grew up with Trek in one way or form?
That will be one a few of my Cents.
La Patience
20-11-2008, 04:12
I personaly thought DS9 rocked lol but as you said its your oppinion lol. I suppose I bickered on but its just that I don't want trek to die. I will watch it and even bye the special edition DVD lol but whatever I just hope it goes ok.
still Bald rommies :?
oh and I loved the TMP era (the best ship designs and a good era overall)
I don't think there's anyone who'll argue against the TMP style ships and uniforms! :thumbsup:
I personally don't hae anything much against the idea of trying to "reboot" Star Trek, in a way Enterprise attempted to do that, and although some of it was pretty poor, some of it was quite good (last series especially).
I like the "attempt" they've made to cast the crew, the new Spock (can never spell his name so won't even try) especially I think is superb, and I think the new Kirk may be able to pull it off. My only gripe with the casting is they all look about 12! Hopefully this is just the camera shots though.
My gripe with the ship is that it's an icon. Even the first space shuttle was named after it! The Enterprise is a big thing. My sister isn't much of a Trek fan, but when I showed her a pic of the new one her words were that it looked like someone had trodden on it and squashed it! They could have done many things to "reboot" the Enterprise herself, but if anyone who's ever heard of Star Trek can notice that the ship is "wrong" then something is... well... wrong.
I just don't understand how reworking a well known icon will bring in new fans, especially when it will alienate many (and there are an aweful lot out there) existing fans.
I really hope that the film is a good one, and that it's successful. I just have these nasty doubts that won't go away...
Muad'Dib
20-11-2008, 06:58
That's my point Jason, the entire purpose of a reboot is to remake everything from scratch even if they use familiar or even duplicate events/details. What this means is that the reboot wouldn't affect TOS alone, it would affect the entire ST timeline into a new alternate canon. In ST terms maybe parallel universe might work as best explanation.
In other words TMP might play out differently in this timeline as would the Lost Era, TNG and the rest. It's a brand new continuity and that's what I like about it because it opens the possibility of doing things differently and not have to run into the problem of "but that goes against what this other series said first". The problem with Enterprise, amongst other things, was that they tried to fit it into the old canon and changed so much of what just about every other series had implemented that ultimately it failed in most aspects, many of these were also broken between themselves to begin with so all ENT did was enlarge the convoluted mess to the point where just about nothing made sense.
I'd like to think that Braga changed BSG for artistic and creative purposes, not to attract newer/younger crowds (Though the goal of any show is to garner ratings), but as a writer that is how I tend to look at things. Nevertheless I think any reboot has the potential for working if done right, BSG certainly doesn't have exclusivity here.
As to the age of the actors, Starfleet Academy is like college right? Well they just graduated from Starfleet Academy which would make these characters about what 22 (Average age of graduating college after a 5 year degree if graduating high school at 17 which is average age of graduation there)? Most of these actors are mid-20s to late-20s possibly making them actually too old for the characters.
Also Trek has been stagnant for me for a long, long time; which isn't to say that I didn't enjoy the different series, I did, but the old canon is too condensed and filled with too many inconsistensies already. A totally new timeline and new approach peaks for me an interest in Trek again where yet another time-travelling continuity breaking story would fizzle for me on the spot. (Well at least they didn't put in any Nazis on this one sheesh).
In terms of what Gene Roddenberry would think/want, I think it's important to pay tribute to and maintain the spirit of what he created but not necessarily continue his exact work exclusively. Just because a filmmaker has a different style or decides to tell the same story in a different manner doesn't mean it is disrespectful to the original creator. This is not to say I don't understand your feelings towards wanting things to stay the same or keep in line with what was already established (I have this exact feeling with that horrible new Terminator movie in the works which rips apart all things Cameron) but for one reason or another I feel this has the potential to make things new again instead of continue a formula that for me and some others who have sat through every series and movie feel it's time for a change and something new.
On the ship don't get me wrong, I wish this movie used a sleeker Connie refit (If not the proper Connie reift herself) and we had the burgundy uniforms and all good things ST2. Meyers managed to reinvent Trek and keep continuity going but Trek then was still quite limited (Only TOS, the toons and the motion picture). JJ has to work against Ent-TOS-Toons-TMP-TNG-DS9-Voy all that convoluted broken continuity, all that established background and all those stories hashed and rehashed over and over. If he's not making something completely new (Post Voy) and is tackling established characters in a very established timeline, I think it is more respectful to Roddenberry and the fans to retell things from scratch as opposed to changing yet again what the originals stated as a poor replacement. If this is supposed to be the original canon, then I would be sorely disappointed in this film believe me.
Besides the old Trek is still there; don't think of this as a replacement for the original think of it as a possible alternate version companion of the way the same story might have been told. That's how I'll see it and I'll judge this movie based on its own strength and weaknesses not only in contrast to what was made or established before.
Still trust me I understand your concerns and this might turn out badly in the end but my hopes are up 8-)
Well I've seen the trailer (once or twice:lol:) and read a lot of mixed views about the new movie, seems that this turn events has got the whole of Trekdom up in arms...
Myself, I think that the movie could be nothing but good for a few reasons. One, I'm going to be completely honest here - I hated TOS. Can't stand it. I find that the plots are too generic and have little to offer in the way of entertainment or originality. Now, I know that there's a lot of fantastic dialogue and character interplay - but I can't say that those things ever really appealed to me. TNG was alright when it started to find its feet, loved DS9 and Voyager, and I personally thought that Enterprise was exactly how TOS should have been, but that's another story...
My point is that this film could, if done right, resurrect an old favourite and make it good enough to stay around. From what I've seen, this is a completely new take on TOS, putting it more in line with Enterprise canon rather than all the others. Loads of people hate the idea of this but I think it has no actual downside. So what if the whole of Trek history is being rewritten? It's not as if it's real, or if the DVD's aren't still available is it?
If the movie is good then a whole new generation (mine probably, I know what my contemporaries like and that trailer seems to be it :D) will be willing to watch a series, and then maybe a sequel (a new version of TNG maybe?) and so on.
Admittedly, Star Trek is not Doctor Who; you can't have some flashy lights and get a new character - but if this changes, what I consider, to be the worst Trek series then it can only be good.
Oh, and agree on certain points about the ship. I like it, some fan designs I consider to be better (Gabe Koerner's is possibly my favourite take on the Constitution Class, even though she seems a bit too militaristic) but I can see why they went with this.
Here's hoping that 2009 usher's in a new age for Trek! :thumbsup:
StarBlade
20-11-2008, 09:55
I'd like to think that Braga changed BSG for artistic and creative purposes, not to attract newer/younger crowds
Just for the record, Brannon Braga has nothing to do with Battlestar Galactica (thank the gods). You're confusing him with Ronald D. Moore, who worked with David Eick to "reboot" BSG.
:D
Muad'Dib
20-11-2008, 15:06
Gah!!!
Thanks Kid, you're absolutely right it is Ron Moore who I'm referring to not Braga...sorry about that. I just remembered it was one of the two who often collaborated together on the series.
In any case, there's an interesting review from Ain't it Cool News on the 20 min press screening and from what is described this movie is shaping up to be exactly what I want...a honest to God reboot and done well. For the read check out:
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/39162
Jasoneagle
20-11-2008, 16:27
As to the age of the actors, Starfleet Academy is like college right? Well they just graduated from Starfleet Academy which would make these characters about what 22 (Average age of graduating college after a 5 year degree if graduating high school at 17 which is average age of graduation there)? Most of these actors are mid-20s to late-20s possibly making them actually too old for the characters.
In terms of what Gene Roddenberry would think/want,
Ok you said a lot there but will address these two Items now only, First To get in the Academy I think the age was 17 but most (at least here in America) People done get out of college in till their mid to late 20's and that is only if they where just going for a *** or even a Bach degrees. I have a *** in Aviation Electrical Engineering (if not for the military i would still be in school for it) Different classes need different amounts of time in the Schools, Bones would (to relate to modern times) need 8 years of College to be called Dr. while Scotty could have anywhere from 4-8 years depending on the level of training.
What I meant by the Post about Gene was that he wanted the Stories to each have a Moral Reason, a Lesson for the Viewers, Behind them.
Majestic
20-11-2008, 21:56
Unfortunatelly I never got to see the trailer as it has been taken down. :(
Wow, I must admit that I am a bit surprised by all the negativity surrounding this film. But then I am far from a standard "Trekie" to begin with. In most respects I HATE DS9; yup that's right, the series all Trekies go bananas over saying how magnificent it is, how epic, yada yada really really sucked as far as I'm concerned. Aside from Sisko being cool and Dax being really hot, DS9 was once giant borefest with all their nonesensical prophets **** and lame Dominion War off again on again episodes [My God 800,000 people were killed last Friday in the war but a ship full of Vulcans has come to challenge Sisko to a baseball game in the holodeck action must be taken or hey that holographic lounge lizard is being threatened by holographic mobsters and we must help now or anything Rom related...meanwhile the Dominion completely ignores the sole source to endless resupply and reinforcements and what could arguably be described as the most strategically important geographical target in the entire galaxy (except for a single 2 part episode where they had the bad taste to use the exact same battle sequence from the Klingon Civil War assault on DS9 just replacing Klingon ships with Dominion; I mean really guys frame by frame recycled footaged, really?)].
But moving onto this movie in specific, I have to say that I'm glad they didn't use the same lame design of the 60s' TOS, even with modern technology in shows like Enterprise and DS9 those ships never quite looked right. If anything I find this to be more of a combo between TOS and TMP. I really wish everything in this movie (See uniforms) was more TMP to be honest, as ST2 was the only real Trek movie that I find really merits a mention as a really good movie outside of being just a good Trek film(ST6 gets an honorable mention). As far as the design itself it isn't like wow that's awesome, but I don't find it particularly ugly either; but that's just a matter of taste I guess. Frankly I don't know, guess that as I've grown up my opinion of Trek has changed pretty violently. I do like TOS but only in the same hammy way I like the old Lost in Space and Buck Rogers. I hope JJ does to this new group of Trek films what Braga did with Battlestar Galactica so Trek is new again.
As far as casting goes I also think this film is being bashed unfairly, I mean so many people complain about acting, did you guys really ever watch TOS? For one Pine is cast in the shoes of Shatner not Anthony Hopkins, I think he'll be just fine. If anything the young kid playing Kirk saying his whole name made me cringe more than Pine, that though is the classic case of lame lines (Even the best of films have them). Quinto as young Spock is fine for me as this really only emphasizes this is a true reboot and not just a prequel to be fit somewhere in an already repeatedly broken and mangled continuity. The rest of the cast is fine also. The action looks great, especially compared to most Trek action. The sets are bright sure but I'll reserve judgment until I see the final set pieces. Nero looking like a Reman is also OK with me, I'm so sick of "Trek aliens": He's got a wrinkle in his nose or an earring on his eyebrow, or no they wear togas, obviously they're aliens.
The lack of story continuity also is great for me as I really really want this to be completely independent from the original canon, I want new canon just like Ultimate Universe in Marvel comics. I don't want this to fit with ENT-TOS-TMP-TNG-Beyond or anything like that, I want a total fresh start for Star Trek, a new direction with fresh ideas even if they keep the general timelines the same (Romulan Wars, Creation of Federation, Klingon Cold War, etc). In TOS continuity many of these characters served together for the first time during the actual series run, so seeing all of them together now as recent graduates further gives me hope this is not continuity and instead a brand new clean slate for Trek as I'm hoping.
I mean no offense to those who think differently or who are hardcore fans of the established series and canon. I just kind of lost my enthusiasm for Trek once I branched out into better (IMO) sci-fi storytelling and universes like Babylon 5, DUNE and Farscape; and I see this as an opportunity to make me really love Trek again if JJ does it right. So here's hoping.
Just my two cents
I must agree 100% what is said above, I found DS9 terrible and much prefered Voy and Ent. I also think Trek needs a reboot, like BSG something new and not continuing on. I have my hopes about this movie but also my doubts but like BSG Reimagined I will await till I see this new Trek but I am excited and really hope it takes off and impresses even those hard core fans. Its about time Trek got good on par with the likes of B5, Farscape etc.
La Patience
20-11-2008, 22:21
Well if the new trek ends up being as good as Farscape then it should be a blast and from what I have seen of the Trailer it looks real good. I suppose my fears over it being **** just made me think the worst.
Plus a new continuality would be good. there would be no written rules. the future is there for the writers to play with
The cast seems like it good be quite good, and it looks like it'll be worth seeing. But the ship is ugly. Like I said, Majestic and that Gabe K guy both came up with better designs. the official new enterprise looks like it was designed by a riceburner/chavs. I'm surprised it doesnt have a spoiler, chrome rims (of the spinner variety!), big bore exhaust, neon underglow and flames up the side.
The tag line should be "boldly going where no ricer has gone before!"
Darklight
22-11-2008, 00:33
Official trailer 2 site:
New Trailer (http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/medium_trailer2.html)
The cast seems like it good be quite good, and it looks like it'll be worth seeing. But the ship is ugly. Like I said, Majestic and that Gabe K guy both came up with better designs. the official new enterprise looks like it was designed by a riceburner/chavs. I'm surprised it doesnt have a spoiler, chrome rims (of the spinner variety!), big bore exhaust, neon underglow and flames up the side.
The tag line should be "boldly going where no ricer has gone before!"
Yea, I was kinda surprised that there weren't flames and racing stripes going on on the sides of the ship. In my opinion, the new Enterprise design looks like it's begging for Armageddon. Majestic came up with a far better design.
I think they're going Akiraprise with the new Enterprise design. Speaking of Enterprise, the series was good, I enjoyed it, but it just doesn't fit the plot of the rest of Star Trek. Why did Enterprise have only four seasons? I guess maybe the fans didn't take to it too well.
The new movie is something a lot of people will like, and I'm sure it will be enjoyable on some level. I won't give up on Trek until they've completely destroyed every element that made it great.
In my opinion, the new Enterprise design looks like it's begging for Armageddon.
Agreed. I almost hope someone (obviously deluded enough to like it in the first place) makes a model of it for A2, purely so I can download it, and blow it into little tiny pieces. Even a Legacy version would work, for the same reason, the satisfaction of blowing up the 'Ricerprise'
I like that term for the new Enterprise, 'Ricerprise' - definitely just as funny as 'Akiraprise', and just as deserving a name. I'd increase the chunk lifetime in the art_cfg or rts_cfg file in Armada 2 just so that the pieces of the ship would last longer - even more satisfying.:D
I like that term for the new Enterprise, 'Ricerprise' - definitely just as funny as 'Akiraprise', and just as deserving a name. I'd increase the chunk lifetime in the art_cfg or rts_cfg file in Armada 2 just so that the pieces of the ship would last longer - even more satisfying.:D
Thank you :)
I cant help but wonder how it would look with a little bit more ricing... drag pipes up the nacelle pylons maybe. Or a wacking great big spoiler off the back of the saucer. It already has neons, spinners (possibly even chrome spinners at the angle of that shot) and big bore exhausts lol....
flipping ricers...
Majestic
22-11-2008, 15:55
Majestic came up with a far better design.
Thanks Elrond, it wasn't much.
Maybe, but it's way better than what they have for the movie XD.
Muad'Dib
15-12-2008, 10:11
So it seems one of the movie's writers, Bob Orci, has gone into the question of whether this movie is canon or not. It's easy to get confused by all his gibberish about quantum mechanics but the short answer is yes, the movie is intended as canon.
Basically the opening has an event which alters the timeline and that's the reason everybody is all together in the Enterprise and not how we remember it. However, unlike most time travel stories where the plot is to restore the timeline as that is the true and right one, this movie takes the TNG episode "Parallels" approach saying that mutliple universes exist simultaneously and all are correct. So while this new universe started out in the one we know, the old one isn't replaced instead the viewer's attention is shifted to the parallel universe while the other continues without issue.
I'm a bit disappointed this isn't a total reboot as I feel this is what ST truly needs but if they don't just do the whole we must restore the future **** I'll give it a shot.
EXCLUSIVE: Bob Orci Explains How The New Star Trek Movie Fits With Trek Canon (and Real Science) | TrekMovie.com (http://trekmovie.com/2008/12/11/bob-orci-explains-how-the-new-star-trek-movie-fits-with-trek-canon-and-real-science/)
This is one of the craziest ideas I ever heard! And after this anyone can make a Star Trek movie and tell that it is canon, but it's in the parallel universe? :thumbsdown:
You know how far this leads? In the end, Star Trek will merge with Sliders and noone will know what is "real" and what is "parallel". Why the hell made they another perquisite episode by the way?
Good Lord man! Are they freaking serious? Dr. McCoy does not approve.
Majestic
19-12-2008, 20:11
Its much better than doing the same old thing again, I was kinda getting bored of Star Trek as it was just the same stuff over and over again. Its a reason I enjoyed Enterprise as much as I did, as Enterprse was fairly different.
So yeah, I became lost when I read the Parallel Universe stuff. Seriously, do they need to do this with Star Trek? The movie will be good I think, but i'm getting really annoyed with alternative universes, and bloody time travel.
I think the phrase we're looking for is 'wimped out'
clearly more afraid of the vociferous canon-ites out there than worried about making a good show.. so they have wimped out and simply said.. it diverges from canon, but doesn't... honest
when, as the man Majestic says, all they really needed to do was write a story and bull through, be confident in their product and say Yup this is canon, new canon. :P
Muad'Dib
24-12-2008, 17:28
I wholeheartedly agree with you Creed and Majestic. In fact, I seriously hope that there is absolutely no mention of the canon timeline as we know it at all in the movie...no Spock fiddling around with Picard or reuniting Romulans and Vulcans, no Dominion and Maquis, no Borg or USS Defiants, and absolutely no stupid Soran-Nexus of joy-dead Kirk...
I want nothing at all to indicate that the future of this crew will be exactly the same as laid out in TOS or TMP. Save for the uniforms and the Connie refit, I want the new crew to experience an all new future.
1 and only exception: ST2- Wrath of Khan. I'm perfectly happy keeping this in continuity or a new variation of these events.
But nothing else, I want a brand new canon and a fresh start for these characters. This is how I'll treat this movie, in spite of what Orci said.
EAS_Intrepid
25-12-2008, 23:11
I also think this timeline-thing they want to put in is a stupid idea, to say the least.
They should have just sticked to making a new Trek movie without any connection to the current Trek timeline.
Saying that they just wanted to show a different perspective on Star Trek and to show what else could be made of the franchise would have been fair enough as a reason.
BSG did it, why shouldn't it work with Star Trek. The genre is dryed out, a good deal of the stories has been told in the movies and the five Trek shows.
While I can live with the bridge design (which looks like a giant Apple computer), I think the exterior design of the ship is definately a "no-Go!" They pumped out something really ugly!
I also think this timeline-thing they want to put in is a stupid idea, to say the least.
They should have just sticked to making a new Trek movie without any connection to the current Trek timeline.I completely agree here. I wasn't all that impressed when I heard they were involving time travel anyway, however, if they are essentially rebooting the franchise, why involve the future romulans as we know them? They'd have come from a time of the Marquis, Borg, Dominion etc etc.
They should have just started COMPLETELY over if anything.
Majestic
31-12-2008, 13:13
I wholeheartedly agree with you Creed and Majestic. In fact, I seriously hope that there is absolutely no mention of the canon timeline as we know it at all in the movie...no Spock fiddling around with Picard or reuniting Romulans and Vulcans, no Dominion and Maquis, no Borg or USS Defiants, and absolutely no stupid Soran-Nexus of joy-dead Kirk...
I want nothing at all to indicate that the future of this crew will be exactly the same as laid out in TOS or TMP. Save for the uniforms and the Connie refit, I want the new crew to experience an all new future.
1 and only exception: ST2- Wrath of Khan. I'm perfectly happy keeping this in continuity or a new variation of these events.
But nothing else, I want a brand new canon and a fresh start for these characters. This is how I'll treat this movie, in spite of what Orci said.
Looks like we are on the same wave length, something new is what is needed just like what Battlestar Galactica did with it's remake and if making it a parallel universe convinces many of the die hard fans out there then I support the idea and concept. Reason for this is that Trekies are like Star Wars fans to me, very hard to convince and to adapt to radically new changes and prefer to usually see simular stuff that they are used to not totally new stuff that diverges from canon. We only need to see the responce Enterprise got with the Temporal Cold War and the Suliban as well as the Xindi to see that.
Star Wars is slightly different. There everything is clear about this canon/not canon thing. If you read or watch something from Star Wars, you can easily decide whether is canon or not. There is a simple formula about this somewhere on the Net.
But Bergman and Braga can do anything they want with Star Trek, they only need a good ideology for it. But I'm concerned that the money will be more important to them, than the original story and they will make several following "Parallel universe" movie. And just think about the next generations of ST fans, who will see this new movie first time. Then the following and the following and they will only later meet with the original movies and series. They may think that this is "boring and ugly" and would throw them away.
I hope that I was able to reveal my concerns. :roll:
La Patience
03-01-2009, 05:06
Well after watching the trailers and what not I feel that ya it looks like it will be a blast. As I have already stated there are a few things I dislike - ALOT - but I can put that behind me for the simple reason that its Trek and I need an other helping of it. who knows maybe it will get me liking Kirk. I'm just gonna go to the movies thinking that its a complete reboot no formor ties. And if that is what it takes to make another TV series then yeah...DO IT!
I do though hope that it doesn't completely erase what has happened before as while many hate it I am a DS9-ner all they way. And hope it doesn't stop the DS9 books from coming out lol.
Still at least we know one thing:
The future is APPLE :p
I also think this timeline-thing they want to put in is a stupid idea, to say the least.
They should have just sticked to making a new Trek movie without any connection to the current Trek timeline.
Saying that they just wanted to show a different perspective on Star Trek and to show what else could be made of the franchise would have been fair enough as a reason.
BSG did it, why shouldn't it work with Star Trek. The genre is dryed out, a good deal of the stories has been told in the movies and the five Trek shows.
While I can live with the bridge design (which looks like a giant Apple computer), I think the exterior design of the ship is definately a "no-Go!" They pumped out something really ugly!
Most definitely I agree. The timeline thing is total bull****!
I'd hate to say it, but a movie as good as First Contact opened up a can of worms. The NX Enterprise would arise from it (since the timeline events changed after Picard and the Enterprise-E visited Cochrane's time) and from there it just fell apart. The Xindi and time arc thing worked for Enterprise, but Enterprise to me just didn't seem very canon. At all.
Now they're going back into the past to change Kirk's timeline as well. So it would be more appropriate to call this new movie a "spin-off" because it wouldn't fit with canon Star Trek either. They need to make a new movie that doesn't involve some absurd means of complicating the plot, such as the temporal stuff. Star Trek is about moving forward and it doesn't always need to be about the Enterprise. DS9 and Voyager proved themselves very well. TNG did very well in my opinion as well and TNG is my favorite series. Enterprise did well - on its own - but to me it should not be connected to the rest of the Trek series.
Nemesis also did a lot of messing with ship design stuff as well - Deck 29 and then a giant pit in which the Viceroy falls to his death 300 feet below...seems like they were heading down the ship, maybe they were heading up the decks and maybe that pit is somewhere just behind the warp core. Either that or the writers just plain messed up. Ship design problems seem to be a great source of confusion for timeline-related stuff.
Jasoneagle
11-01-2009, 00:39
Looking online and I found this, dont know if anyone posted it yet but here we are the full cast list is up and online:
Chris Pine-Kirk
Zachary Quinto-Spock
Eric Bana-Nero
Simon Pegg-Scotty
Winona Ryder-Amanda Grayson
Karl Urban-Dr. Leonard 'Bones' McCoy
John Cho-Lt. Hikaru Sulu
Zoe Saldana-Lt. Nyota Uhura
Bruce Greenwood-Christopher Pike
Ben Cross-Sarek
Anton Yelchin-Pavel Chekov
Leonard Nimoy-Old Spock
Greg Ellis-Chief Engineer Olsen
Chris Hemsworth-George Kirk
Lord_Trekie
11-01-2009, 01:18
Eric Bana-Nero
He's the only person I'd look forward to seeing...
EAS_Intrepid
11-01-2009, 02:25
Isn't that the guy from "Munich" (as Mossad assassin)?
And from Black Hawk Down, too, if I remember that correctly.
Well, there is also still Bruce Greenwood.
Lord_Trekie
11-01-2009, 03:03
And from Black Hawk Down, too, if I remember that correctly.
You do :) I quite liked his performance in the film, part of why I might be able to tolerate STXI...
Theta Sigma
04-02-2009, 04:32
New trailer:
Watch Star Trek Super Bowl XLIII TV Spot - MovieWeb (http://www.movieweb.com/video/VI5tzc87SyWu8c)
New trailer:
Watch Star Trek Super Bowl XLIII TV Spot - MovieWeb (http://www.movieweb.com/video/VI5tzc87SyWu8c)
looks good, though I have to question the power ranger suits they use when skydiving....
i've had mixed feelings about the entire movie. Star Trek is almost dead in my eyes.
i've been debating whether or not to go and see it. i think i will. and if its a flop. i think it will kill the whole series for me.
but we might get lucky and it be really awesome!
or is that just wishful thinking?
Theta Sigma
14-04-2009, 19:09
Ben McEachen in his review in the Sydney Sunday Telegraph gave the film 4 and a half stars.
With the headline "New enterprise will reach for the stars" he says that it is the first true blockbuster of 2009.
He says that it appeals to both die hard Trekkies and first timers.
Of the cast he describes Zachary Quinto's portrayal of Spock as "the best example of the cast's ablity to forge their own identity, while reverently echoing the past."
I enjoyed it though some of the plot suprised me.
The cast was very good, especialy Spock and Scotty.
Borg_Queen
09-05-2009, 09:50
Be careful with what any of you says here now, though. I would recommend that if you do want to talk about what happened in the movie that you put it in spoiler tags as not everyone here has seen it yet. :wink:
I have yet to see it, but it is being shown in Norway right now (the 8th. was the first day). :D
Majestic
09-05-2009, 13:20
Borg Queen is right, I won't be able to get to this this movie to at the earliest next week but more realisticly it will be longer.
So remember to use the spoiler tags: content
Theta Sigma
10-05-2009, 14:43
I have heard beforehand that this movie was going to be a reboot of Star Trek. That it does. However its discontinuity with the other Star Trek movies and TV shows is explained with it being an alternative reality caused unwittingly by future Spock (Leonard Nimoy).
The movie could easily have been a straightforward telling of how Kirk got command of the Enterprise but adding Nero (in a very good performance from Eric Bana) and alternate reality to the mix was certainly a bold approach to take.
All this has helped the movie to tell a solid story even though I did find many parts of the beginning to be very slow. The execution overall however is pretty good.
The casting of the Enterprise crew has been well picked. Chris Pine makes a fine replacement for William Shatner as James T Kirk and I am especially impressed with Anton Yelchin's portrayal of Chekov. Simon Pegg does well in his pretty different portrayal of Scotty (at least different from the way I remember the late James Doohan played him) and surprised that Deep Roy is here as Keenser.
Spock and Uhura as a couple, really did not see that coming.
Although they appeared briefly praise has to be given to Jennifer Morrison and Winona Ryder as Kirk and Spock's mothers respectively.
Lord_Trekie
10-05-2009, 16:43
Personally I felt it was a good film, but a mediocre Trek flick. The whole alternate universe explanation seemed like an afterthought to me, not a decent reason. Anyone else catch Paul McGillion's Cameo?
Theta Sigma
11-05-2009, 06:45
Personally I felt it was a good film, but a mediocre Trek flick. The whole alternate universe explanation seemed like an afterthought to me, not a decent reason. Anyone else catch Paul McGillion's Cameo?
Yeah I spotted him.
Also I have been wondering how many long-time Trekkies were going to appreciate the alternate reality device being used here.
I've not long got back from watching this new Star Trek movie, and to be totally honest with you folks, I both enjoyed the film, and was disappointed by it.
I'll start with the disappointments.
Please See:#1: The USS Kelvin - A ship with 800+ crew, and a hull full of Shuttles. The Kelvin is smaller than the Enterprise (or your typical Constitution Class starship). The Constitution is about 1/6th the size of the Galaxy Class (overall). A Galaxy Class can hold roughly 1500 people, so I question what the Kelvin was doing with a crew of 800, that 800 which could have not possibly fit onto that ship.
In addition to the crew, how many shuttles did this ship have? During the scene when the Kelvin rammed Nero's ship, we saw a fleet of shuttles passing the sun. How could that many shuttlecraft fit into the hull of the Kelvin? It just doesn't seem possible. On top of that, there seemed to be an awful lot of shuttles in the rear of the Enterprise too... Just where do they keep the crew quarters these days?
The word TARDIS springs to mind here. Obviously the Enterprise and Kelvin are bigger on the inside, than they are on the outside.
#2: Nero, the Bald Romulan, and his misfit crew, of more Bald Romulan's (I do believe we saw one with hair too). I don't get the tattoos either, they just didn't work, not for a Romulan. Was it just me, or did his ship, his crew, and the general scheme of things just shout 'Shinzon' and 'Scimitar'. They might as well have had a crew full of Reman Soilders.
#3: The Federation Fleet - I am beginning to suspect that those heading the Federation are in fact, dumb. Why is it, that it seems every capable ship is sent away from Earth during a crisis? When Nero's ship came to Earth, there was no defence. No fleet standing there ready to fight for the Federation.
Sure, a lot of their ships were in that one sector (I forget its name), and the rest were around Earth, but then went to Vulcan. Why? Even if Vulcan was in trouble, why send every last resort out to help? If there were a cloaked Klingon or Romulan fleet just popping by, Earth would have been easy pickings.
#4: Romulus (and the Romulan people). Not so technologically advanced as one might have thought. I don't know what era Spock and Nero came from, but we can presume it is after the time of the Enterprise-D, and quite possibly, Enterprise-E.
That being the case, would it not be safe to conclude that the Romulan people are more than capable of abandoning their planet? It is rare that a Supernova just happens, usually there are going to be signs (there must have been, else Spock wouldn't have had time to build his little science ship). So why on Earth didn't they evacuate Romulus before their Sun exploded?
In addition to that, what does that sun exploding have to do with the Federation? Why was it their fault? Nero blamed Spock (because he was trying to help), ok, but I still don't see what the Federations involvement was during the destruction of Romulus.
#5: New Aliens - I don't understand the reason for them adding new species in here. We had several species which we've never seen before. Instead of half of them, could we not have had some Andorian's, Tellarite's, more Vulcan's etc?And for the Satisfaction:#1: The new Enterprise - After seeing the design, I originally didn't like it at all. I thought it was too futuristic for the era it was set in. However, having watched the film, and having seen it in action, I've come to terms with it not being so bad. The only thing I'd change are the nacelles and size of the deflector dish (these, in my opinion, still seem out of place).
#2: The fact that we got to see several Federation designs, not only with the Enterprise and Kelvin. Granted we didn't get to see a lot of them in great detail, but for the most part, we got the general gist if their shape and size. I had feared we'd only get to see two new designs, and we saw more. I was quite impressed with that.
#3: The D7 / K't'inga during the Kobayashimaru - A welcome sight I thought. Granted the Klingon's were never shown, it was nice to see a friendly design on the screen.
#4: The Humour - Always good to see in any movie, even if a serious one. The fact Sulu left the brakes on was good, along with Scotty being beamed into a water tank, and beaming Kirk / Spock onto the main bridge. Must love the humour if nothing else, I thought it was a winner.
#5: The Cast and Crew - Got to hand it to them, they did a great job. Each of the actors portrayed their role well, and done a superb job. I thought that Scotty was a bit different from the character we've come to know over the years, but everyone else worked well in their redefining moments.And finally, the other things that didn't quite fit in to either of the above categories:#1: The Spock - Uhura romance. I honestly didn't see that one coming. From the Trailers, it made out that it was Kirk, and not Spock that was going to end up in the romance with Uhura. I would say it added a nice twist, but I am unsure if this is a better thing, or worse.
#2: The Klingons - I know they were mentioned, but we never actually saw them. I think it would have been nice to see those 47 Klingon ships (and a few Klingon faces) fight Nero. It wouldn't have been too long a scene, just some weapons fire and ship destruction. I just think it would have been nice to see the Klingons in some way. Maybe in the next 2011 movie?
#3: Vulcan (gone boom) - This adds something to this new 'refurbishment' of Trek. Vulcan (throughout all past shows) has been a planet of considerable importance, it was one of the planets that helped found the Federation. Because of the events in the latest film, we've got two conclusions. We either assume that the new planet the remaining Vulcan's go too, is renamed to Vulcan, and named that way onward, or, the planet name 'Vulcan' died with the destruction of it.
There are two ways of looking at that, if we take the first, then everything we've seen in any show and movie can still be made sense of. If we take the second, then that contradicts everything in every other show (excluding Enterprise).
#4: The Orion - I was surprised to see an Orion girl in the movie, especially enrolled with Starfleet. Considering how the Orion Syndicate is a race of Pirates and Bandits throughout ENT and TOS, I did not expect to see them where they were.
#5: The Enterprise Construction / Launch - I know we saw her being built on ground, but it would have been nice (I thought) to have seen her being launched, or put together in space. It would also have been nice if they'd have mentioned the USS Constitution, maybe stating that the Enterprise was the 2nd or 3rd of her kind. Something to that extent.And finally, time lines, and time travel. Normally, I'd bring up the USS Relativity, USS Aeon, and Daniel, but to be honest, I see little point. I have ultimately decided that the Trek timeline we know and love, is in fact, three. I know some people will argue this, but to be honest, it is the only conclusion that gives anything any meaning.
First, we've have the 'original' timeline. That being, TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY, along with all the movies from The Motion Picture, through too Nemesis. That would be the first (and original) timeline. Following that, we'd have the ENT timeline. I believe this is a completely different set of events, more specifically because we've never heard of the Suliban or Xindi since. And thirdly, we'll have this latest one, following Abram's timeline.
Some people may say that the ENT timeline could be the same one as Abram's new one, but I'd like to keep them separate until the Xindi show up with Spock.
Theta Sigma
11-05-2009, 13:21
To Australian viewers:
David and Margaret in At The Movies both gave the film four stars. Margaret however mistakenly refer to Nero as Klingon instead of Romulan. This mistake is bizarre since she later says that she had been a fan of the TV series!
It also included an interview with JJ Abrams and Eric Bana. Abrams says that he was not a Trek fan but got excited with the challenge of doing a version of Trek that actually was exciting to him and felt like he could connect with it.
Eric Bana in his interview said that he was not Trekkie but had been a fan of the TV series when he was a kid.
ive just watched it, sadly, do to the time of year and my continuous lack of money, i wasnt able to visit the cinema and get the full scale of the event, I still enjoyed it thoroughly!
There were a few grips but i ask you to find a film everybody loves unconditionally.
first
Cadet to captain... not bad for a few days work! - I was a little annoyed that it was so "Easy" for kirk to get intot hat captains chair, I know in the story he saved earth and all, but still they decided to promote an otherwise untested person straight to the position of captain... of their flagship no less!
I mean captain of a smaller ship (Poetically a kelvin class) Would have been better imo, but then i guess it wouldnt be start trek if kirk wasnt commanding the enterprise... so i can make peace with that.
The Uhura and Spok thing - i was pretty shocked when i saw the tuirbo lift scene, but then i guess it emphasises spock's humanity so i can get over that.
I loved the humour, while it was a bit daft in places, it did break up the film, so it wasnt all doom and gloom "God we are all screwed".
Bones - I thought bones was brilliant, i was kinda sceptical when i saw who was playing him, admitedly ive seen him in two films, Chronicles of Rid**** and LOTR and im hard pressed to see the difference in teh way he prtrayed these characters, however, in this he did good!
Spock - OMG! ITS SYLAR!
the cast - Excellent i thought, i admit i was a little confused as to how Simon Pegg beat Paul McGillion to the role of Scotty, but i must admit it fitted better than i would have thought.
Designs - Loved them, Ive always liked the design for the new enterprise, and the Kelvin, the one thing we all should remember about this film when we watch it is that we should forget everythign we know, that may be esier for me, as i havent seen much of TOS but i think renewing the designs filled the gap between TOS and TMP. and also, what looked like a proxima variant.
And IN regards to some of your points Transmission
Im sure i read somwhere about this film "Forget what you know" so with regards to the new aliens its something new, and potentially somethign Roddenberry would have put into TOS should the ability have been available to him at the time, also the romulans, are someting different as well, for the same very reason - to be different from what we know.
And with regards to the Numerous numbers of lives that daddy kirk saved it is entirely possible they made these ships are bigger than what we may consider "standard" sizes, imo this isnt just a new interpretation of Star Trek, Its a new series.
All in all to sum up.... BRING ON THE SEQUEL!
sorry about the double post but...
Was listening to my play list and got reminded of something....
BEASIE BOYS IN STAR TREK!? WHAT ON EARTH!!
Dont get me wrong, i love the song, and it was good to hear it again, just never saw that coming.
Lord_Trekie
11-05-2009, 18:47
I too was reminded deeply of Shinzon and the Remans when I saw Nero and his ship, kinda annoyed me. I was also miffed by the whole Cadet to Captain thing, seemed kinda stupid to me...
I think it was just a "Ohh ooops Kirk isnt captain by the end of the film... Lets just throw it in there..." a better way of putting it would be that it was an after thought
Borg_Queen
14-05-2009, 09:22
Well, I have seen this movie now, and all I can say is; Awesome. :excited:
Yes, I liked the movie a lot. Comments in spoilers will arrive soon. :D
La Patience
14-05-2009, 22:25
I am going to go see it this weekend (was going to go today but unfortionatly my mother is ill and its kinda a bad time as I will have to go after 4pm) but I can say I am really looking forward to it.
Well I went to see this yesterday and have to say that its become my favourite Trek film. Following part in spoilers so as not to ruin anything -
I stand by my previous statement - the Enterprise is gorgeous; and the Kelvin looks good as well. Not so sure about the industrial look to engineering - looks a bit our of place when compared to the bridge and exterior.
Plot was just twist after twist for someone who knows Trek. Vulcan's gone! And so is Romulus (in the future)! Liked the little in-jokes like Scotty 'losing' Archer's beagle Porthos.
Quinto was brilliant as Spock - and I have to admit that when he pinned Kirk by the neck I was expecting to see a cut appear on his forehead. McCoy - excellent and Pegg as Scotty was definitely a highlight. I'd recommend it to anyone - final rating: 9.5/10
Majestic
15-05-2009, 09:31
I'm going not this weekend but next. I can't wait. :thumbsup:
it.was. awesome!!!!
what to say what to say... i liked the Kelvin. she preformed well in battle for a ship her size and for her role. the movie was exactly what was needed to save the series.
but if they screw up again... well its done.
and it looks like the "Odd Number Dud" rule is broken :D
I still think the new movie was missing some action from the Klingon's. We know that a certain somebodies ship took out a fleet of (47)? Klingon Warbirds. It would have been nice to actually see those 47 ships getting blown to kingdom come.
Please use spoilers as many like myself haven't seen the movie yet. - Majestic
Muad'Dib
17-05-2009, 14:26
The movie is brilliant! The opening sequence was so dramatic and well done, I was speechless!
The actors were amazing in making the characters their own, of course Urban actually channeled DeForest Kelley and it's somehow fitting that he's really the only one that did mimic the original actor. Everyone's new take on the characters was perfect.
The action sequences were incredible but a bit short, then again I understand why given the tech Nero has...an actual ST2 knife fight with the Ent would be impossible.
I think some critics are being overtly abusive of Bana's Nero, he was perfect for what the character was supposed to be, just a little underdeveloped as most of his story is given in the Countdown Prequel Comics. This is no genius strategist or master tactician warrior, he's just a very POd and overwhelmed everyman with devastating tech and acting with blinding bloodlust.
I do not think the Klingons were necessary at all. This movie is opening a new franchise and there's plenty of time to get them in there. Frankly what I hope out of the next movie is in fact a villain that can go toe to toe with Kirk. The writers said that even they don't know who will be the next film's villain yet, since they haven't started developing it, that they will definately do Khan at some point and that is what I hope to see in the sequel.
Btw the Enterprise looked BEAUTIFUL, all the ships looked gorgeous. And the weapons Starfleet had on them were awesome machinegun pulse phasers and blue torpedoes (Probably photons, since I doubt they were quantum), still they rocked.
This is the first film since ST2 truly worthy of 10/10. I wish the next one would come out next summer :thumbsup:
Borg_Queen
17-05-2009, 14:47
I agree with you, Muad'Dib. But please, use spoiler tags the next time as not everyone has seen this movie yet. I had to edit a spoiler tag to your post since you haven't done it.
By the way, my review will come later. Hopefully tomorrow (later today) if I'm not to tired after celebrating Norway's Constitution Day then. :wink:
Muad'Dib
18-05-2009, 08:40
Sorry Borg Queen, I didn't think anything I mentioned was any kind of spoiler material, I avoided actually discussing plot points and or specific details.
Anyway thanks for the spoiler brackets. :thumbsup:
CrazyFrog1903
24-05-2009, 10:41
I finally got to see the movie.
So, at what point is romulas suppose to be destroyed....they said 120-130 years into the future from then....And all I can say is poor vulcans... Guess that is one way to take out the remen threat...lol
I finally got to see the movie.
So, at what point is romulas suppose to be destroyed....they said 120-130 years into the future from then....And all I can say is poor vulcans... Guess that is one way to take out the remen threat...lol
i'm pretty sure that the year was 2387 when Romulus was destroyed. considering the movie is in 2258
Muad'Dib
24-05-2009, 16:59
I finally got to see the movie.
So, at what point is romulas suppose to be destroyed....they said 120-130 years into the future from then....And all I can say is poor vulcans... Guess that is one way to take out the remen threat...lol
Nero's timeline is 8 years after the events of Star Trek Nemesis according to the prequel comic "Countdown". Although I had heard somewhere that it was 10 years after.
CrazyFrog1903
24-05-2009, 18:24
I just wanted to be sure....I have not been able to think completely clearly the last week or so. I blame lack of sleep.
It was still a great movie.
In these sorts of opinion threads, the order of reading previous posts before actually posting is reversed for me, because I want to provide my own opinion on Star Trek 11 without having any previous reservations to posting it how I saw it. I also don't want my initial opinions to become skewed as they often do after reading other opinions and realizing that mine may have already been stated, or may have more validity than my own. But understand that, these are just opinions.
My reaction throughout the movie was like the following...
*Every few minutes...*
"WOW!!! HOLY MOLEY!"
My overall reaction to the entire movie is that it wasn't just the best Star Trek movie of the lot, but to me it was the most-enjoyable science fiction movie I've ever seen. But this is very general, without a point.
So I can't express my specifics on the general opinion too well without having spoilers around everything, so here we go!
The movie didn't go backward on itself - Vulcan is destroyed, Spock's mother Amanda is lost, and there's no going back to save either. Kirk's father was lost 25 years before Kirk became Captain of the Enterprise - there was nothing that could have been done short of time traveling and creating an alternate reality which is the result of time travel most-supported by scientists today, if even time travel is possible, besides in the past (though time is relative, if you go really fast and go forward in time faster, everyone else is sort of going back in time, relatively speaking, proving that time travel is in fact possible, at least to some degree). But the point is, this movie wasn't like all the others. There was no B4 to provide continuity to his late brother Data. There was no 'katra' or 'holy spirit' that would revive all 6 billion killed on Vulcan. Spock just wasn't fast enough to save his mother, and there was no going back on that.
The movie was highly tragic in these ways, and awfully sad I must admit. I had tears the first time seeing some of the scenes - mostly with the sacrifice of George Kirk, the loss of Spock's mother, the destruction of Vulcan, and the father-son talk between Sarek and Spock on the transporter pad after Kirk took command of the ship. These are the things that absorb me in the movie - during most of the movie, I didn't feel as much like I was watching a movie, but a lot like I was in the action as an observer within the same reality. And for me, it takes a darn good movie to do that!
However, no movie is really devoid of problems, and this one is unfortunately not an exception.
The whole "Romulan star supernova threatening the galaxy so we have to use two ounces of red matter to somehow create a black hole that's massive enough to pull in the material from the supernova, although as the black hole's forming it initially has very little pull as the shockwave and material of the supernova fly by at horrendous speeds" thing was simply so far-fetched that even Spock's katra sounded realistic in comparison.
So, the Romulans are an off-shoot of the Vulcans. In fact, they're the same species, only that Romulans evolved differently having lived on Romulus. But the split occurred when some Vulcans decided to "reserve" their emotions while others decided to say "well, frak that!" and headed off to Romulus.......3,000 something years ago, somewhere around then.
This implies in the first place that the Vulcans had great technology long long, long before humans ever did - not just decades or centuries, but even before the birth of Christ!
So both Vulcans and Romulans should be far more than a match for humans. Depending on when the Borg evolved to create their technologies, the Vulcans and Romulans might be said to have evolved their technologies far before, which in logic would mean that the Vulcans and Romulans could literally wipe the galaxy of the Borg with little effort - that isn't the case though.
But logic falls apart even further in Spock's description of the Romulan star going supernova. The Romulan star could be assumed to be much like our sun. I mean, it may have the essential 2.8 times the mass of our sun to go supernova, but it couldn't be much more than that, making the threat of a supernova to the galaxy a very far-fetched and completely unrealized type of logic.
Also, if the Romulan star was to go supernova, it is likely that the star we saw in "Nemesis" which looked much like our sun would have instead been a red supergiant by the point it lost radiance and lost the fight to gravity that would cause a supernova explosion.
But let's consider that our science is way off right now, in 2009. Let's consider that a supernova could possibly threaten part of the galaxy or even the entire galaxy...that wouldn't make sense. Many stars went supernova before our sun was formed - and it was for this reason that we have many of the heavier elements on Earth - elements that are essential for planets to be made of the stuff they are, and for life.
Obviously, supernovas were never really much of a threat to an entire galaxy - we can see this in observation today. The most you could get out of the collapse of an extremely massive star is a possible gamma ray burst, a black hole forming, and perhaps the "disruption" of star systems within 500 light years. Obviously, if you're hit by a gamma ray burst from a star that went supernova in your own galaxy, half your planet is toast in tenths of a second. But that's not normally the case. There is little evidence that the Earth was ever hit by a gamma ray burst in its entire 4.6 billion years. It seems highly unlikely that in its last 2 or 3 billion years that it will ever happen either. This Earth will probably only support life for up to 800 million years after this point, because of the shutting down of the necessary tectonic plate engine that renews the Earth, along with other likely problems to be faced (the moon possibly escaping the Earth system).
So anyway, Spock shoots a small amount of Red Matter at the approaching wave. And...it starts sucking up massive quantities of the wave. But given his close perimeter to Romulus, that planet would have been eaten up too, even if the shockwave from the supernova never reached Romulus.
Plus, you have to consider that he shot this red matter at one side of the supernova. It's rather unlikely that the black hole would suck up the WHOLE supernova. Spock's efforts would have failed either way.
Also, it is to be assumed, logically, that if a star were showing signs that it was going to collapse anytime within the next million years, those living in old Spock's time (which is in 2387 according to one misquote of the movie that states his ship was commissioned on Stardate 2387, not the year 2387 which would be the correct assumption since he is from 120 years in the future) would know about the star going supernova by this time. Evacuation efforts would have been long passed by the Romulan government and no harm would have been done at all.
But they'd even have warning if the star began swelling due to the lack of hydrogen and helium that would cause a star to begin losing its war against gravity. In 2379, when Nemesis takes place, there seems to be very little (visual) indication that the Romulan star was even close to the end of its life. If there had been, Romulus would have been devoid of life by this time, because it is within the habitable region of the star's influence, and would be either devoid of life when the star destroyed the planet as it expanded, or would have been molten by this point. Both situations would kill all life on the planet with relative ease.
So...this was all a way to create an evil villain...Nero. Spock pretty much did cause Nero to capture Spock's ship so that he could use it to destroy Vulcan. And the black hole device red matter thing had to have some sort of origin. It's just too bad this part of the plot seemed to be slapped together in the last minute.
Kirk finding Spock on the same planet, in the same location...probably as likely as aliens landing in your front yard at 3:33 AM tomorrow and presenting you with a rose, and then vaporizing you immediately after their gesture of assumed peace. It is about as likely as going on the corner of Main and First street and finding the winning lottery ticket, and then going to that same street corner at the same time the next day and finding the winning lottery ticket in the same place, and having this happen everyday for the next 1,000 years!
Also, Delta Vega is a sister world to Vulcan? Well, you learn something everyday!
Last thing that seems to have a lack of making sense...Nero somehow needed to use a laser drill to get to the core of Vulcan so that he could put the red matter in the core. Well, if Spock's experience was any lesson about how impossible red matter creating a massive enough black hole to suck up a large amount of material, Nero could have just fired the red matter at the surface of Vulcan, and armed some torpedoes to ignite it. The effects would have been similar.
Now onto the less obvious fractures in mechanical and quantum physics...
Nero and Nero's ship...a bunch of bald Romulans with the exception of one, who had hair. And everything about Nero's ship has "Scimitar" written all over it! Obviously, from the late 2370's to the late 2380's, the galaxy has had a lot of problems with Romulus and Remus - they make the Borg look like common thieves by now!
Nero's ship may as well have a bunch of Reman troops on it, because it was almost like dejavu anytime that ship or the troops aboard were shown on screen.
Also, just about everyone on the bridge crew of the Enterprise was far younger than the rest of the crew of the ship - sort of a reversal of what is most common. The average age of the bridge crew had to be around 22. That...is some weird stuff.
And then there's the thing with Spock and Uhura. I'd have to assume that in the normal timeline or reality, they never hooked up. So somehow, Spock's older self from the regular timeline interfering with matters created a situation in which his younger self was in a relationship with Uhura, Kirk becomes Captain...of the first ship he's commissioned to, and for some reason the Enterprise bridge has some weird vertical tactical thing like you'd see on a submarine, or on the Empire Strikes Back alliance on Hoth base thing. Neat.
It was difficult to see how Kirk and Spock were ever in any real danger - I never really got that sense from them. It was almost as if they were in a simulation and not a real life and death scenario because of how seemingly casual they were. When a planet with 6 billion on it are killed, and that planet had most everything to do with the founding of the Federation itself, I would expect everyone to immediately and all at once pass out or require a bath or a change of undergarments.
But I could easily overlook these details. It was an enjoyable movie. The acting was beyond good. The action was stunning. It was a sad, funny, and kickass movie. It made you wonder, made you laugh, made you cry or at least would trigger similar emotions.
I think it did well in reviving a once-dead genre of science fiction. Paramount no longer has the series in a blender. It's all up to JJ Abrams now, and whoever else just might take it to the series.
All my hopes are on the next movie not having the same types of plot holes and being able to suck me into the action as did this movie. If it can do all that without making me say "WTF" when it comes to some of these technobabble weapons and land the characters in circumstances that are beyond improbable, I'll be a lot more satisfied.
But when it comes down to it, it is science fiction, not science fact. The story can be unbelievable but still awesome, and that's much of the reason I enjoyed the movie. I could choose to take a pessimistic look back at the movie or just give into my initial feelings of it - that it was enjoyable and awesome and that's all there is to it! Life's too short to be like "I don't like change" or "I don't like this even though it has absolutely no negative impact on my life whatsoever."
Like old Spock said, "sometimes you just have to do what feels right" - very true.
PS
The star that apparently went supernova was a star called the "Hobus" star. This link has more information: Wikimedia Error (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Countdown). Also, the revolutionary Vulcans colonized Romulus in 400 CE (about 1987 years before the supernova that destroys Romulus). But still, this is a considerable amount of time to quote the Vulcans and Romulans as being far more advanced than humans; apparently humans did receive much of their technological prowess from the Vulcans and other races such as the Tholians along with other species.
"Decalithium" is a material obviously composed of the matter of 10 lithium atoms - it is the material used to create the supposed "Red Matter." In 2387, 8 years after Nemesis, Data, who is successfully alive again having merged the previous Data's memories with B4's shortly before the original Data's demise, captains the Enterprise-E. Picard is now ambassador to Vulcan, Worf a General for Qo'nos, Spock an ambassador to Romulus as he has been for twenty years, and Geordi retired from active duty to pursue the creation of his own ships.
And a reason for Nero and his officers for shaving their heads...and quote from Wikipedia...
"He beams surviving Romulan senators onto his ship and kills them for not listening to Spock, and then claims the Praetor's ancient trident, the Debrune Teral'n, which is the greatest symbol of Romulus. He and his crew then shave their heads and apply tattoos to signify their loss... Nero goes to the Vault, a secretive Romulan base, and has the Narada outfitted with Borg technology to begin a rampage against his enemies."
"With the supernova expanding, Spock decides to deposit the red matter weapon. He takes the Jellyfish, a ship developed by La Forge that can withstand extreme environmental conditions. The Narada goes about destroying and assimilating Federation, Klingon and Cardassian ships alike, wounding Worf and damaging the Enterprise in the process. When Spock successfully destroys the supernova, the Narada appears to attack when the black hole flings it and the Jellyfish back in time, leaving Picard and the crew of the Enterprise as witnesses to Spock's sacrifice."
- Wikipedia
Borg_Queen
26-05-2009, 00:45
I understand you are excited about this movie and also wants to stress out a few points, Elrond. But please don't use swearing then you are excited. I have had to fix on your swearing by replacing them with an acceptable word in your post.
I also must point out that any words, even if just one, written in all caps which is not initials, are shouting. So use underline instead for your stressing out. I have also fixed your all caps words for that reason leaving only the sentence above as I believe that was intended to be shouting, meaning you shouted to yourself.
By the way:
According to Guinan in "Q-Who", the Borg has evolved as a cybernetic species for thousands of centuries, ie. over 200 000 years. So they had most likely advanced technology like starships and such long before Vulcans and Romulans even started to study space via telescopes of sorts.
Thus the Borg is a lot more advanced than the Vulcans and Romulans. Not to talk about many other species.
By the way, good thing I'm going to watch the movie again as I didn't recall seeing any Borg tech on Narada. :p
I will make a large spoiler later myself, just need to think of what to say.:wink:
Muad'Dib
26-05-2009, 07:51
Borg Queen, the information that you mention in your spoilers and the info quoted from Wikipedia is in fact referred to in the prequel comic Countdown, it is not mentioned in the movie itself.
The comic explains everything about Nero's timeline and what he did with his ship in terms of those weapons, as well as fill in the entire backstory for him and Spock Prime.
Borg_Queen
26-05-2009, 11:57
But they are spoilers anyway as not everyone has read the comic, myself included. And the comic do relate to the movie as it is a prequel to it. :wink:
What I mentioned in my spoiler was just a note to what Elrond said, and since he said it in spoilers and that it was about the prequel (the comic), I had to put it in spoilers myself. Remember I referred to what was told in an episode sent 20 years ago in that spoiler.
Just to say it short; Anything that has to do with the movie here, including the comic as it is a prequel, must be put in spoilers as they are related. :wink:
Muad'Dib
26-05-2009, 15:46
You misunderstood me Borg Queen :D
What I was referring to was when you said in your spoiler that you wanted to recheck the movie in order to verify that information. I was letting you know that the information doesn't appear in the movie, it is presented in the comic.
So yeah a bit of communication flubber but I hope I explained it better now :lol2:
Borg_Queen
27-05-2009, 01:34
Yeah, you did. By the way, I saw that that stuff the second time I saw that movie, though it was rather clever disguised. Thus it appears in the movie as well, though not mentioned by words. :wink:
just a comment to make on Elronds discussion of the stardates. in the new movie, Stardate 2387, is infact year, 2387. the production crew redid the whole stardate system into something that actually makes sense. Gene Roddenberry himself stated that the stardates weren't supposed to make sense.
"stardates were created to avoid placing the events of the original series within a specific year. At present, no canonical information exists regarding how the stardate system works and exactly why it is needed,"-Memory Alpha's Article on Stardates
Majestic
10-10-2009, 23:06
After 147 days of release, J.J. Abrams' hit film Star Trek has ended its run in North American theaters. Star Trek closed on Thursday, 1 October 2009, with a final gross of $257,730,019 (in the US), making it the highest-grossing Star Trek film to date. It is unclear if its international run has also ended; the film currently has earned $127,223,599 from foreign markets as of Thursday, for a total worldwide gross of $384,953,618.
Impressive, it sure has made it's mark in more than one way in the history of Star Trek.
dinosaurJR
12-10-2009, 20:48
"Impressive, it sure has made it's mark in more than one way in the history of Star Trek. "
Indeed Majestic,
Bring on the sequel, eh??:clap:
Ryderstorm
13-10-2009, 10:59
I for one am not looking forward to the sequal. I have seen the "revamped" star trek twice now and quite honestly I felt it didnt deserve the name Star Trek. I for one will not be spending dime one on the sequal when it comes out unlike the 15 bucks I wasted seeing the current incarnation in theaters.
Wish I could make hundreds of millions of dollars by rewriting someone elses idea...
Majestic
13-10-2009, 11:49
Yeah while it was largely successful many fans didn't take to it. I am more open minded when it comes to movies and many friends in the past used to say a certain movie was bad when I found it rather good.
Perhaps I am just easy to please when it comes to movies. :lol2:
SciFiFan
13-10-2009, 16:01
Didn't Roddenberry himself want for someone to come in later and revamp his work?
thunderfoot
13-10-2009, 16:27
I am old enough(47) I got to watch first run airings of TOS on NBC back in the day. So I have a little different perspective on things from a lot of you. I liked ST:XI. JJ Abrams and crew got a great many things right. There were elements of Star Trek in the film which had not been seen since the Sixties. A few years back, I recall people fussing about there being no new Star Trek anywhere, either series or film. We get one and people complain about it. Worse, those of us whom enjoyed it are looked at as heretics by others whom are very vocal and very public about their dislike. It is Star Trek. A television show/movie/PC game. It is not a religion! Treating it as such means someone may have their priorities a little skewed. I don't really care if anyone else liked it or not. I am a little tired of hearing people complain about the film not being Star Trek. If someone did not like it, fine. I am not going to go on crusade to change someone's mind about this. I would like the same courtesy in return, please.
I would like to think those whom have a viewpoint different from mine have enough respect for me and my viewpoint that we can disagree and not resort to typical Web forum nonsense. I come here to enjoy myself, not get into fights over Star Trek. If this is not possible here, I am okay with it. I can go hang out someplace else on the Web.
dinosaurJR
13-10-2009, 19:59
I actually agree with TF here...:Y (nah... only kidding)
He is right though - The Re-Imagined Trek is, although flawed in some ways, and a little dumbed down for todays youth, really really good - I had the pleasure of taking a business class flight recently, and guess what the in flight movie was? uh huh, STXI...
I watched it twice on the way there, once on the way back... So I think I know the movie fairly well by now (I saw it at the movies too) and I must say - it really is Star Trek the way it used to be - I always had a wee bit of a problem with Picard et al. and their softly softly approach to exploration - I much prefered Kirk and co, kicking a..... em, prodding buttock, and teaching beautiful alien ladies to love...
I was born in 81, so my first aquaintance (sorry, I butchered that word there) was with re runs of TOS on Wednesday evenings... ruined my Soccer career it did (training was the same night) I was young, and maybe didnt get it the way TF did - but it deffinately left an impression on me... My first toy I can really remember loving was the Enterprise, TOS model and the D-7 model that fired little plastic disks... awesome... I even recently bought the Special Edition ST X box set (with all of the movies, TMP onwards) so that I could have the complete set... Bringing my total count of copies of TMP to three, ST2 to 2, anyway, you get the picture... I even liked ST V, great barrier FTW!
Anyways, the point Im staggering towards is this; I was raised on Kirk and Spock and Bones and Nuclear Wessles and Balance of Terror... you get the picture... I actually shead a tear when Kirk died in Generations... (Im not proud to tell you all that, but there you go...)
But if even I (a self confessed TOS nut - come on, Ive never even modeled anything other that TOS Star trek Stuff - apart from Halo...) can come to enjoy the re-imagined crew, ship, and universe - then surely you all out there, young and old alike all trek fans, and all crying out for new cannon material, can come to if not love, then at least like (or even tolerate) them too...
and relax... Sorry, I wrote a novel there... but I felt it had to be said...
CrazyFrog1903
13-10-2009, 20:16
I look forward to seeing a sequel. I too was born in 81. Also, I see it a bit differently then some. Being the expert on the Temporal Mech. of Star Trek here. Star Trek XI actually fits perfectly into the who timeline of the known star trek. Simply b/c it shows the affects of the changes to the timeline by all the series and movies. Also, it dove into an alternate reality where they did not just go back and reset things to "normal". I think it followed the science of Star Trek to the letter. Although that just means it upsets to many people who are used to watching shows that at the end of every episode everything goes back to normal.....
Majestic
13-10-2009, 20:25
Yes, I did really enjoy the new movie too but I do miss that there will be no follow up movie to Voyager (explain what happens when they get home) or no more TNG movies, not worried about DS9 or ENT (after that rather disappointing final episode).
But hey Star Trek is back and in the era I really love and adore so I am as happy as pig in mud. :thumbsup:
I would like to think those whom have a viewpoint different from mine have enough respect for me and my viewpoint that we can disagree and not resort to typical Web forum nonsense. I come here to enjoy myself, not get into fights over Star Trek. If this is not possible here, I am okay with it. I can go hang out someplace else on the Web.
I am sure everyone here is mature enough to be able to voice their opinion without it turning into a scream feast or a flame war. As our long standing members know, the staff here take flame wars very serious and when they do occur and members ignore the staff's effort to stop them they end up loosing out in the end with a ban.
But this is MSFC, and we are pretty laid back here as the site was started to be a bunch of friends hanging out and it's how I and the staff have tried to keep it. So I foresee no problems.
SciFiFan
14-10-2009, 00:10
I am old enough(47) I got to watch first run airings of TOS on NBC back in the day. So I have a little different perspective on things from a lot of you. I liked ST:XI. JJ Abrams and crew got a great many things right. There were elements of Star Trek in the film which had not been seen since the Sixties. A few years back, I recall people fussing about there being no new Star Trek anywhere, either series or film. We get one and people complain about it. Worse, those of us whom enjoyed it are looked at as heretics by others whom are very vocal and very public about their dislike. It is Star Trek. A television show/movie/PC game. It is not a religion! Treating it as such means someone may have their priorities a little skewed. I don't really care if anyone else liked it or not. I am a little tired of hearing people complain about the film not being Star Trek. If someone did not like it, fine. I am not going to go on crusade to change someone's mind about this. I would like the same courtesy in return, please.
I would like to think those whom have a viewpoint different from mine have enough respect for me and my viewpoint that we can disagree and not resort to typical Web forum nonsense. I come here to enjoy myself, not get into fights over Star Trek. If this is not possible here, I am okay with it. I can go hang out someplace else on the Web.
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I remember it was my dad who got me hooked on Star Trek with the re-runs of the Original Series. We watched the first episodes of TNG, DS9, and I believe VOY together. We went and watched all the movies together. Star Trek will always be something that my dad and I will always share. So whether people like the new Trek or not, remember one thing, in the end it is my belief that Roddenberry's ultimate goal was to give people an escape from reality to share with loved ones.
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