The Shout Thread
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Got my laptop back today. Motherboard was fried - literally! Some of the internal plastics had also melted. Not sure why as it sits on a corrugated metal cooling tray with integral fans.
Anyway, it was also reformatted so a lot of data lost, more than expected as some of my backups haven't backed up properly...
Fortunately My Pictures has been saved, which includes my Photoshop working files. Unfortunately my Installers folder was not, so any software I've gained in the last 4 years has gone kaput. Currently doing the windows updates before getting started on the antivirus etc. Wibble.
Anyway, it was also reformatted so a lot of data lost, more than expected as some of my backups haven't backed up properly...
Fortunately My Pictures has been saved, which includes my Photoshop working files. Unfortunately my Installers folder was not, so any software I've gained in the last 4 years has gone kaput. Currently doing the windows updates before getting started on the antivirus etc. Wibble.
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Is there anything we can do to help?
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Thanks, but not just yet. At some point I'll probably be pestering jetfreak and majestic for any files i may have sent them, but for now my focus is the basics, windows, browser, av, firewall, office. Then i can start crying about ms3d, Photoshop, and any games etc. Fortunately some of my more important documents should be in my email sent box (like an up to date CV!!!)
How do people cope with tablets?!? It takes sooooo long to type anything!!!
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Didn't someone do an export for Shattered Universe?
Good news bad news situation with the laptop.
Milkshape and Photoshop are once again installed and I still have most of my texture files
Unfortunately it will still randomly blank off as if overheating, even when it blatantly isn't.
Fortunately I do seem to get more than the couple minutes active time I would get before I took it in for repair.
So all in all, I will be able to finish my BoP but progress is likely to be much slower until I get a new PC as I'll need to baby this one. I think I'll also be giving STO a miss for now as the newer missions really do strain the processors (and probably helped fry it).
If anyone has copies of any of my hardpointed ms3d files can you please drop me a PM as I lost most of them. I still have the original .obj files, but not any hardpointed meshes.
Good news bad news situation with the laptop.
Milkshape and Photoshop are once again installed and I still have most of my texture files
Unfortunately it will still randomly blank off as if overheating, even when it blatantly isn't.
Fortunately I do seem to get more than the couple minutes active time I would get before I took it in for repair.
So all in all, I will be able to finish my BoP but progress is likely to be much slower until I get a new PC as I'll need to baby this one. I think I'll also be giving STO a miss for now as the newer missions really do strain the processors (and probably helped fry it).
If anyone has copies of any of my hardpointed ms3d files can you please drop me a PM as I lost most of them. I still have the original .obj files, but not any hardpointed meshes.
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I have a pretty Zelda section on my Start menu now.
And yes, I do legally own the games on my Wii. The optical drive died, so... I replaced said optical drive, but I decided this was probably a good idea, particularly with Wii support slowly going away. I also have the 25th Anniversary version of Skyward Sword, but I'm not sure what the best way to map a Wiimote pointer is. Probably the right pad on my Steam controller, but I'm just not sure.
And yes, I do legally own the games on my Wii. The optical drive died, so... I replaced said optical drive, but I decided this was probably a good idea, particularly with Wii support slowly going away. I also have the 25th Anniversary version of Skyward Sword, but I'm not sure what the best way to map a Wiimote pointer is. Probably the right pad on my Steam controller, but I'm just not sure.
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i opened A1 label.map file... and saw this lines for the first time.. i'll bold the interesting parts... it seems that in development of A1 there were 6 additional missions... sadly there are no maps for mentioned missions...
mission_select {
+ title {SELECT MISSION}
+ ok_button {O.K.}
+ cancel_button {Cancel}
+ fed1.bzn {Premonitions}
+ fed2.bzn {Paradise Revisited}
+ fed5.bzn {Vendetta}
+ fed3.bzn {Dark Omens}
+ fed4.bzn {TEST FOR ART}
+ kling3.bzn {To the Gates of Sto'Vo'Kor}
+ kling1.bzn {The Enemy Within}
+ kling4.bzn {A Good Day to Die}
+ kling2.bzn {Broken Ties}
+ kling5.bzn {Gray Eminence}
+ rom2.bzn {Cloak and Dagger}
+ rom4.bzn {Call to Power}
+ rom3.bzn {The Gauntlet}
+ rom1.bzn {Retribution}
+ rom5.bzn {Unholy Alliances}
+ borg1.bzn {Resurrection}
+ borg3.bzn {Assimilation}
+ borg4.bzn {Extermination}
+ borg2.bzn {Day of Reckoning}
+ borg5.bzn {The Twilight Hour}
+ finale2.bzn {Time after Time}
+ finale4.bzn {Once and Again}
+ finale3.bzn {Strange Bedfellows}
+ finale1.bzn {A Line in the Sand}
+ finale5.bzn {The Alpha and the Omega, Part I}
+ finale6.bzn {The Alpha and the Omega, Part II}
mission_select {
+ title {SELECT MISSION}
+ ok_button {O.K.}
+ cancel_button {Cancel}
+ fed1.bzn {Premonitions}
+ fed2.bzn {Paradise Revisited}
+ fed5.bzn {Vendetta}
+ fed3.bzn {Dark Omens}
+ fed4.bzn {TEST FOR ART}
+ kling3.bzn {To the Gates of Sto'Vo'Kor}
+ kling1.bzn {The Enemy Within}
+ kling4.bzn {A Good Day to Die}
+ kling2.bzn {Broken Ties}
+ kling5.bzn {Gray Eminence}
+ rom2.bzn {Cloak and Dagger}
+ rom4.bzn {Call to Power}
+ rom3.bzn {The Gauntlet}
+ rom1.bzn {Retribution}
+ rom5.bzn {Unholy Alliances}
+ borg1.bzn {Resurrection}
+ borg3.bzn {Assimilation}
+ borg4.bzn {Extermination}
+ borg2.bzn {Day of Reckoning}
+ borg5.bzn {The Twilight Hour}
+ finale2.bzn {Time after Time}
+ finale4.bzn {Once and Again}
+ finale3.bzn {Strange Bedfellows}
+ finale1.bzn {A Line in the Sand}
+ finale5.bzn {The Alpha and the Omega, Part I}
+ finale6.bzn {The Alpha and the Omega, Part II}
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I find it ironic that as much as I hate zombie shows, I love the Borg episodes in Star Trek.
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Yeah, I feel the same!
For me, I think it's because I associate somewhat different emotions with them. I've never felt disgust towards the Borg like I do toward any sort of zombie. Fear, yes - especially toward the First Contact version. But there's more of a sense of awe and wonder toward these clearly very advanced and sophisticated beings. The Borg's technological character (and, by extension, their philosophy) is far more interesting than any zombie epidemic could ever be. Now, here's something I'd like to see: a post-apocalyptic Borg story. A ragtag group of survivors on a largely assimilated planet, fighting for their metaphorical survival - all while knowing that their people aren't technically dead, you know?
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I've got a fanfic in the works where part of it tells a little of the story of the Premonition before it went back in time.
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That's an interesting idea. Characters that have been turned into zombies are gone, but characters that have been assimilated could potentially be freed, which brings a very different approach to writing how the cast feels about killing them, even in self defense.
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There was a web series a while back that had a sort of yesterday's enterprise sort story, which causes the borg to assimalated earth after wolf 359. And it was about a rag tag armada running from the borg. Was very much like BSG, I think they even used the intro music. Wasn't that bad...
Also I always wonder about the premonition? Where did it sit in the time line, because it's implied pretty far into the future. Yet how where they able to make such an advanced ship if they'd lost so bad agasint the borg?
Also I always wonder about the premonition? Where did it sit in the time line, because it's implied pretty far into the future. Yet how where they able to make such an advanced ship if they'd lost so bad agasint the borg?
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The Enterprise was able to get back to its own time in First Contact, probably using a method similar to the sphere. I assume this information would still be available to the Federation, not to mention the chronodeflector from the Klingon Empire.
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I think one of the best attributes of the Borg are their mysterious origin. There have been a few unofficial origin stories, primarily the Destiny series. While not bad, it just didn't quite sit right with me. I have had my own thoughts.
In my head, it would revolve around a human species that was facing a global epidemic. This species had already been using nano-robotics for construction and repair for centuries. A doctor that is desperate to save her people suggested adapting nanobots to repair the body but the planet's government refused. In a last ditch effort to save her research, she injects herself with the nanobots. It work. All her ailments were being eradicated. Even more, any natural genetic defects were also being fixed. Seeing the acquired benefits, she began administering her treatments underground to anyone willing. After time, the side effects of the treatment began to show as the nanobots began using synthetics to replace what they felt they couldn't fix. The planet government began to hunt down these "Borg" fearing that if left unchecked, they could potentially become worse than the original epidemic. This led to a war that was much like the Augment War on Earth. Several of the treated decided they did not want to fight and fled. Sensing the fear and anger in their original host, the nanobots adapted and began to network themselves with the others. In time, the treated no longer had self control and begin to resemble the Borg that we know. Over time, the planet becomes assimilated. There was a period where there was pockets of survivors, but their resistance was futile.
In my head, it would revolve around a human species that was facing a global epidemic. This species had already been using nano-robotics for construction and repair for centuries. A doctor that is desperate to save her people suggested adapting nanobots to repair the body but the planet's government refused. In a last ditch effort to save her research, she injects herself with the nanobots. It work. All her ailments were being eradicated. Even more, any natural genetic defects were also being fixed. Seeing the acquired benefits, she began administering her treatments underground to anyone willing. After time, the side effects of the treatment began to show as the nanobots began using synthetics to replace what they felt they couldn't fix. The planet government began to hunt down these "Borg" fearing that if left unchecked, they could potentially become worse than the original epidemic. This led to a war that was much like the Augment War on Earth. Several of the treated decided they did not want to fight and fled. Sensing the fear and anger in their original host, the nanobots adapted and began to network themselves with the others. In time, the treated no longer had self control and begin to resemble the Borg that we know. Over time, the planet becomes assimilated. There was a period where there was pockets of survivors, but their resistance was futile.
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I've seen at least one more fan fic that used the idea of trying to halt an epidemic using nanoprobes then losing control of them. I much preferred the idea of the Borg being the culmination of the society from which they came, with a lot of the unique characteristics about the Borg being from a transition to a utilitarian society within their progenitor race.
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The worst one was without a doubt the vger one from star trek legacy. Why take such a mysterious species and make them basically a product of humans. It makes your universe too small.
Having them spawn from a cure is the best idea, the fan fiction I read or possible might be an sancution authors take; was about a doctor trying to cure his daugther from a illness, it works but it was something like there was latten psychic powers in the race and she became the first borg queen driven by this need to heal everyone. And because she was a little girl she had to "heal" the only way she knew how which was to assimulate...
On the topic of borg that reminds me, I went back and finished voyager recently and it made me think about the borg and Q interaction. And I had this little theory, at the end of all good things Q almost starts to respect picard.
And maybe out of this respect, he wanted to save picard and the human race? So since we knew the borg were coming anyway due to the pardox in ent: regeneration he flung the enterprise into that cubes path to give them a chance to beat it when it finally arrived? Its never really established where from Qs point of veiw in which order most of the interaction take place?
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Yeah, I also like that idea better. I don't know if it's just me, but none of the origin stories we've heard so far have satisfied me. Whether it's the Star Trek Destiny story of magical aliens or the Legacy version involving V'ger of all things, or this notion of the Borg as the result of medical technology gone out of control, it really just fails to portray the Borg - like you've mentioned above - as the result of an organic species intentionally evolving toward this state, rather than being forced into it. Also, Canon states repeatedly that the Borg are really, really ancient (hundreds of thousands of years, according to Guinan!), which I think people forget sometimes.
While we're on that topic, I personally always loved those episodes of Voyager that granted some insight into the perspective of the Borg themselves, both of the Collective and of the individual member. The latter may be a bit of an oxymoron, but I've always interpreted some of Seven's and other former drones' tales as indication that the Borg, while clearly thinking in unison, retain their own consciousness. It's what I would imagine a vast number of interlinked minds to be like, and it fits best with the "hearing other's voices" theme the Borg have going on. Which implies that there are, y'know, distinct listeners and speakers interacting with each other, even though they may have no sense of individuality. I know that clashes with some of the other descriptions in canon, but I feel it describes the actual psychology of the Borg much better than all of the Queen's "I am the Borg" blather.
That's another thing that would be interesting to me - a story from the perspective of the (or a) Borg themselves. I have no idea how such a story could even work, but for someone who has literally spent hours pondering the functioning principles and technical details of the Collective, as well as its impact on the formerly human psyche of its members, it's certainly an intriguing idea.
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Just had a thought: what if we're not taking the Queen's words literally enough? Could she be a gestalt consciousness of the Collective itself rather than an individual within the Collective? The Queen is always interpreted by fans as an individual, but she's lost at least one body and moved to another one. Unless the Borg's capability to create replacement brains is much greater than Bashir's, it seems unlikely that the Queen is actually the particular drone used as an avatar. Imagine the Queen being a person, and the drones being the cells that make up that person. That's more or less my idea.
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The wife? Or the DomiMatrix?The Borg Queen is the wife of Skynet......
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I didn't even think of that! The will of the Collective, made manifest as a single being. That could work. It still raises the question why the Borg, being a very utilitarian society, would be in need of such a being. The standard justification for her existence seems to be that she coordinates the Collective, which she herself apparently denies in First Contact. Of course, the whole insect analogy (originally given by Seven's mother, I believe) falls apart anyway considering that insect queens don't coordinate the hive at all and serve only reproductive purposes.
But of course, the only reason she exists is to provide an appropriately evil and weirdly hot villain for First Contact.
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What if she didn't occur on purpose, but as an unintended side-effect of hitting a critical mass of drones?I didn't even think of that! The will of the Collective, made manifest as a single being. That could work. It still raises the question why the Borg, being a very utilitarian society, would be in need of such a being. The standard justification for her existence seems to be that she coordinates the Collective, which she herself apparently denies in First Contact. Of course, the whole insect analogy (originally given by Seven's mother, I believe) falls apart anyway considering that insect queens don't coordinate the hive at all and serve only reproductive purposes.
But of course, the only reason she exists is to provide an appropriately evil and weirdly hot villain for First Contact.
A computer functions much like a brain, with the HDD corresponding to long-term memory, the RAM to short-term memory, the input devices to sensory organs, etc. In small networks, it's like a conversation between a few people. In large networks, like the Internet, however, they begin to resemble neurons. Rather than the Queen being an explicitly coded feature of the Collective, perhaps she is an unintended side-effect of its design, with the drones forming the neurons of a kind of brain? In theory, this could happen in the real world, with an AI spontaneously appearing as a result of our networking protocols, with its body being the internet itself rather than any individual computer, all without anybody actually intending for that to happen.
Or she could just be the Borg equivalent of a bridge bunny.
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I think thats the most novel idea I've ever heard about the borg queen. So maybe it's a AI (or another more suitable word), that jumps from host to host. Would explain why the queen in voyager (minus endgame) is a difference species and even mention she was. That would also explain how "she" surived after being killed in BOBW, first contact, and dark frontier. Maybe what picard saw as locutus was him endgaging with the AI?
Does bring up an interesting idea, if you wiped large section of the collective does the borg queen cease to exsist? or even change personitliy? Like people who receive brain damage?