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Possibility of Transformers 4

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I know that Transformers 3 have just reached the cinemas, but it's already going rumours about that there will be a Transformers 4.
So this thread is to discuss just that. ;)

I want to mention something; I have heard a rumour that Stephen Spielberg is thinking of directing Transformers 4 if Michael Bay don't want to.
 

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I would be in favor of Spielberg taking over.
 
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Well, Bay has claimed he's done with Transformers now. He's had his run, and it's been a busy number of years for him. If I remember right, Bay didn't initially intend Dark of the Moon to be an actual film until 2012, there was a mix up with Paramount or something, and they got the year wrong, so Bay had to produce the film for 2011.

Regardless, if we get a Transformers 4, and if it's directed by Spielberg, I can't see it being for another three or four years yet. Spielberg is already busy with two TV shows (Falling Skies and Terra Nova) and there are rumours floating around the Internet that he's starting up Jurassic Park again too. I don't think there's going to be much room for a Transformers film too, though having said that, if he does take over, he'll do it justice. I can't think off hand of anyone better suited for the position after Bay.
 

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Ok, lets talk plot, if there will be a fourth mmovie, what do you think the plot and main villains will be? with Shockwave, Megatron, Starscream, and the Fallen dead, there aren't many leader worthy decepticons left.....
 

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Spoilers!!:x shame on you Crisis. I will have to beat you to a pulp next time we play FO for that.
 

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there is always Galvatron, who is like Megatron, just newer and more bad ***. And I think that if they were to do a 4th they might end up going with the Unicron Script. I haven thought about it after seeing the third film, and at this juncture it is the most logical path for them to take.

The way I look at it is like this (putting it in spoilers so people who dont want to read it, wont have to.

The Humans, now knowing about the presence of the transformers, team up with the autobots and start producing spacecraft that can travel to other planets to start colonizing and spreading out. While on a mission of peace, Sideswipe encounters a deceptacon threat on a planet they the Humans are attempting to colonize. While fighting with said deceptacon, the enemy reveals that their planet is no more, that it was destroyed by Unicron. This information gets back to Optimus, who is devastated. Unicron heads to Earth, where he is met with large nukes and more autobots ready to defend the planet.

Will let someone else run with that. lol :lol2:
 

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Spoilers!!:x shame on you Crisis. I will have to beat you to a pulp next time we play FO for that.

Hey, i didn't even put the half of it on there...... so just calm down and go see the movie again, or have you seen it to begin with?
 

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I haven't seen it yet.:( I will hopefully see it within the next week if I get a chance.
 
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Ok, lets talk plot, if there will be a fourth mmovie, what do you think the plot and main villains will be? with Shockwave, Megatron, Starscream, and the Fallen dead, there aren't many leader worthy decepticons left.....
Well, Megatron was also killed in the first Transformers film; he came back.

There's no reason they couldn't bring him back (again) though it would seem somewhat pointless (and annoying) seeing as his execution in Dark of the Moon.

Short on Galvatron (mentioned below) they could always 'create' a villan? They've created Autobots haven't they? Don't remember Dino (the new Autobot Ferrari) as canon.

there is always Galvatron, who is like Megatron, just newer and more bad ***.
I swear I remember reading once that Galvatron was / is Megatron, only updated / remastered ect.

And I think that if they were to do a 4th they might end up going with the Unicron Script. I haven thought about it after seeing the third film, and at this juncture it is the most logical path for them to take.
I'm completely against this. Unicron just wouldn't work, merely for scale sake. It's too **** big. The Autobots would need a Death Star (or equivalent) to even make a dent.
 

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Well, Megatron was also killed in the first Transformers film; he came back.

There's no reason they couldn't bring him back (again) though it would seem somewhat pointless (and annoying) seeing as his execution in Dark of the Moon.

Short on Galvatron (mentioned below) they could always 'create' a villan? They've created Autobots haven't they? Don't remember Dino (the new Autobot Ferrari) as canon.

I remember reading that Dino was a result of a name change at the last minute. He was originally going to be named Mirage - who was in the original series, and also in the game of the film; which serves as a prequel - but Ferrari requested that he be changed to Dino. I think that name was the founder's nickname or something like that.

I swear I remember reading once that Galvatron was / is Megatron, only updated / remastered ect.

That he was. Problem is, I could see them creating an 'evil' version of the Matrix of leadership to do it. In the original (1980s) film he was upgraded by Unicron. Without the great planet eater himself I don't think there's anything to bring him back.

Unless they do something with Vector Sigma or such. That was the 'core' of Cybertron, the computer that gave life to all of the Transformers. That was kind of replaced by the Allspark, but there's no reason why the Decepticons couldn't go back to the (now ruined) Cybertron to bring their leader back. Could also lead to the Autobot's getting back those who they lost in the trilogy.

I'm completely against this. Unicron just wouldn't work, merely for scale sake. It's too **** big. The Autobots would need a Death Star (or equivalent) to even make a dent.

Well in the original film, it was the matrix that allowed the Autobots to defeat Unicron. No reason why it couldn't happen again, save the plot would be predictable. All that said, I too am against Unicron - but only because I found him a rather poor villian. He wasn't like Megatron or Galvatron, even Starscream; he was just a massive thing that had a penchant for living worlds.

Personally, I'm hoping that the Quintessons (original tri-facie creators of the Transformers. They used them as slave labout, until a rebellion came about and they learned the art of transforming) make an appearance. They built Megatron (or atleast, his ancestor) and could feasibly rebuild him into Galvatron. Plus, if the Quintessons are involved, then we've a chance of seeing other places in the Transformers universe.
 

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I admit that the thought of Unicron being in the next movie, if there is one, is kind of poor unless it is done right. Dont ask me how it would be done right, because I am no screenwriter, I am just an ordinary Joe who has thoughts of grandeur, but short of selling my soul to some higher being I am going nowhere. Anything is possible really, considering all the different variations of the show there have been, but I personally think that they should cut their losses before they overdo the series, like what happened with Jason. I can't tell you where that point is however.
 

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As there is some speak about my favorite Transformer; Unicron, I think I shall have a small input. :D

Well in the original film, it was the matrix that allowed the Autobots to defeat Unicron. No reason why it couldn't happen again, save the plot would be predictable. All that said, I too am against Unicron - but only because I found him a rather poor villian. He wasn't like Megatron or Galvatron, even Starscream; he was just a massive thing that had a penchant for living worlds.

True, the Matrix is the only thing that can stop him. And in the cartoons you don't find out much about him. So I can see where you get the part there he is poor (that is, if you only have seen him in the cartoons).
Though I think that he is a great character and villain.
Here's a quote about him from the wiki:

Unicron is the eternal arch-enemy of his twin brother Primus. Also known as the Lord of Chaos, the Chaos Bringer, and the Planet Eater, he is dedicated to consuming the multiverse. His massive form is powered by the consumption of planets, moons, stars, and even the very fabric of existence. Unicron will not be sated until his ultimate goal is attained: to bring an end to the annoying creation boasting independence around him, and find peace by becoming the living center of a swirling, infinite torrent of nothingness at the end of all things.

To undertake this seemingly overwhelming task, Unicron is able to travel across realities at will, a meandering plague upon existence itself. Integrated into his systems are incomprehensible quantum computers which calculate probabilities forward and backwards in time, in perpetuity, giving his processors an ever changing, evolving map of the multiverse. With these abilities at his disposal, Unicron has thus far devoured approximately 22.56% of known universes.

The only thing that he fears is Primus' essence, contained inside the Matrix. To a being of chaos and uncreation, this font of life is a poison.

Frequently, Unicron will make deals with lesser beings, promising them vast new powers in exchange for their servitude. These minions are sometimes stripped entirely of their free will, but others follow him willingly. Service to Unicron, however, is a double-edged sword, for it causes insanity and loss of self. And in the end, Unicron's plans ultimately call for their consumption as well.

Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion. :)

I admit that the thought of Unicron being in the next movie, if there is one, is kind of poor unless it is done right.

Yeah, it's better to have a movie without Unicron than a movie with Unicron done wrong. :)

I'm completely against this. Unicron just wouldn't work, merely for scale sake. It's too **** big.

Yeah, he's kind of big, to put it mildly, as shown on the attachement in this post. But if done right, it might work.

PS.: Yes, I am one of those that would like to see him in a live action movie, but only if done right.

PPS.: Watch your language, guys. No swearing. ;)
 

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As there is some speak about my favorite Transformer; Unicron, I think I shall have a small input. :D



True, the Matrix is the only thing that can stop him. And in the cartoons you don't find out much about him. So I can see where you get the part there he is poor (that is, if you only have seen him in the cartoons).
Though I think that he is a great character and villain.
Here's a quote about him from the wiki:


Don't get me wrong, I respect your opinion. :)

I know you respect it :)

Yeah, it's the film and series that I'm going from. Mainly because they're the only ones I've seen :lol:. Where I grew up, things like comics and books outside of the 'mainstream' were non-existent. One day I'll catch up...

But on the other hand the film would be the best indicator of how he would be on the big screen. To create a deep villain in two hours is a very difficult task, especially when trying to keep them as a constant threat. To be fair, the trilogy we have at the moment are not the deepest of films. We've got Prime and Bumblebee as the deepest I'd say, and even then there is still parts to them shrouded in mystery. If it weren't for the series before, chances are they would be less than shallow.

Unciron needs either two films or a trilogy, and needs to be done right as you say. A poor Unicron would ruin a film, and probably any chance of a sequel. I think it needs to be an ever present threat that builds up to a climax, rather than a two hour villian that we know will just be defeated.
 

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Unciron needs either two films or a trilogy, and needs to be done right as you say. A poor Unicron would ruin a film, and probably any chance of a sequel. I think it needs to be an ever present threat that builds up to a climax, rather than a two hour villian that we know will just be defeated.

I agree, and in the comics there are one place (an ark) there the Matrix is gone, apparently destroyed, and Unicron is coming. That may be a way to do it. After all, what can they/we do without the Matrix? :shock:

Now for some other stuff (more rumours) about Transformers 4:

Now that "Transformers: Dark of the Moon" is approaching the $500 million mark in just eight days, Paramount Pictures has been talking about continuing the franchise, instead of rebooting it.

When the first "Transformers" hit theaters, director Michael Bay revealed that he'll direct as many installments as fans want. But lately he's been claiming that he's done with the franchise.

But during a recent screening, Bay didn't sound very confidant that he won't be returning. "This is bittersweet because this is PROBABLY the last one for me," he said. When the crowd seemed disappointed, the helmer added: "Last night it opened in America and did somewhere like $50 million dollars. Now in movie speak, $50 million in one day, on a Wednesday, that's freaking awesome. So..."

Sounds like if Paramount throws enough money at him and gives him some time to work on "Pain and Gain," he would be willing to return.
 

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*Blows off dust*

Stumbled accross some new news on the subject.

Transformers 4 will happen if the forces that be have their way. Phillipe Dauman, the CEO of Viacom - the umbrella company which contains Paramount and Nickelodeon -- said Transformers 4 is happening. This was backed up by Hasbro CEO Brian Goldner who has said several times that they're working on a concept for the franchise which is a multi-million dollar earner. Link to story.
 

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Right now, everything is still mostly "hear-say". The word going around is M. Bay is taking a 2-4 year break from the TF franchise. Word has it the Shia LaBeouf will not be in the next "2" installments. Yes, that's right, they appear to be looking at Sequels #4 and #5. They are actively considering 2 scripts as well as planning to film both 4 and 5 at the same time to cut production costs down. It appears they plan to film in 2013.

Again, it's all hear-say.
 
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If this goes through (and I hope it does) I'd rather have a reboot. They can always use the same models (save a lot of cost there), but rework the plot. Short on that, they're going to need a new villain (created from scratch) and a whole new threat. They can't do the Cube, they can't do the Fallen, and they can't do anything with Cybertron anymore either, cause that's gone. Without a reboot, there ain't much left short of a Decepticon army coming in from another planet to destroy Earth for their part in the loss of Cybertron / other Decepticons.

Galvatron is the only other Decepticon I can see working, though if chosen, they need to alter canon a little and have him separate to Megatron (opposed to an upgrade).
 

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We only finally got to see TF3 last night.

I was a real shame to see Ironhide get destroyed.

I feel that Sam needs to be in the next two TF movies, he is like the main character and without him I really don't know how well it will do.
 
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I feel that Sam needs to be in the next two TF movies, he is like the main character and without him I really don't know how well it will do.
Hence a reboot. ;)

If they started the films up again (ten or fifteen years from now) then not only would we not have to worry about the lack of current bad guys, they could also fix the plot of the second film. That was, quite honestly, terrible.
 
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