Overzealous Raters

[ISS_Enterprise_D]

For those of you who visit the Bridge Commander Filefront POTD often enough, you may have noticed that Sovereign001 has just announced that he is withdrawing from submitting any new mods or POTDs because of his most recent flounder with an Enterprise-D pic. Reasons being a tad low of a rating on a rather good picture.

Personally, I find him overreacting to the situation. There's no reason to completely pull out of the modding community because of a few rating trolls who like to break down every little thing in pictures. If and when my pictures ever get through the queue, if I get some low ratings, I'm not gonna care. I made put my time into making the shots, and I liked them. If some people on the Internet I don't know and don't care about don't like my pics, then that's their loss.

I know that some of us here (no names, I respect people's opinions) aren't terribly fond of Sovereign001 for the way he's acted some times, and I agree to an extent, but I see him as an okay guy.

Anybody here agree that he should go on with his work, and just be happy with the work he does, and not care about those little naysayers?

 

[Atlantis]

I think the problem is he's being a bit up himself about this. "7.8?! I expected better than this!"... who talks like that? Slightly highly strung.

People have different tastes and interpretations. What someone thinks is great, others think is rubbish. It's the same in everything. Just accept it, no need to just throw all your toys out of the pram and quit entirely. It's a bit much.

 

[EAS_Intrepid]

I don't know that name "Sovereign001", but then I am only passive in the A2 community anyway.

Hm, I think people should remember that it is for fun... It is not mandatory.

On the one hand: sometimes one should avoild trouble and stirring up folks and just "go away from it". Not from the community itself, but from the arguement.
On the other hand: Poor ratings on a "Picture of the Month" - stuff happens. So what?

Trolls are everywhere, so don't feed the trolls

I remember when people at A2 were starting to complain about images which were not absolutely state-of-the-art in terms of image resolution etc etc.
The staff solved that problem quite creatively in posting up an image which included all points of critique the trolls had, lol. Worked.

 

[Dominus_Noctis]

From what I can tell there seem to be some very strong niche markets in the PotD's on several of those sites and tempers run hot.

 

[ISS_Enterprise_D]

From what I can tell there seem to be some very strong niche markets in the PotD's on several of those sites and tempers run hot.

EXACTLY. There nitpickers for every thing on every picture, no matter what there is. They were getting on DJ Curtis' model for having a few inconsistencies. It's not a perfect world. As good as modders are, they're NEVER going to achieve the absolute same quality of the ships we see in the series and movies. We can make our best attempts, and they will be undeniably great, but they're not gonna be the same as what we fell in love with. People just have to learn to accept that

 

[thunderfoot]

From what I can tell there seem to be some very strong niche markets in the PotD's on several of those sites and tempers run hot.

You called that in one, you did. Spot on. Stopped sending in pics there long before I was asked to leave. Because of the trolls who have nothing better to do than slam PoTD's. Lest anyone feel too badly, I'd like to bring up this guy has done more than his fair share of dissing other people's work publicly and then laughing it off as, "It was only a joke! I didn't mean it!" Not making stuff up here. Go look at the A2Files PotD's and read some of the things he's said about others' work. Sounds like karma finally caught up to him. Awwww!

 

[Adm_Z]

yeah, I'm sorry but the potd's will not suffer without him. some of his mods were great, but not worth this drama. modding will go on without the trolls.

He has gotten on my nervs before for giving Jet low marks for his stuff, so I don't feel a bit sorry that one of his pics got a lower than expected rating. Seriously? its just a picture.

 

[ISS_Enterprise_D]

I don't want to sound like someone who shifts opinions with the crowd, because I'm not, but looking back, I have to agree. He's intentionally ruffled feathers quite badly, then tried to shrug it off with a chuckle. I guess he won't be terribly missed. The only reason some people don't want him to leave is that he hasn't released the various re-textures of planets and stuff.

 

[Majestic]

In my time I have had my fair share of hot headed arguments in the community. Most notably that importer issue that has popped it's head a few times. I too wanted and in fact did cancel a mod or two because of this, however Syf's calm helped me see what really mattered and we did things alternatively.

Images on the other hand I found were and in some cases still judged way too highly for a piece of artwork. Yes everyone loves to see some really high quality, totally jaw dropping image of a Galaxy wiping out a wing of Romulan Warbirds, however not everyone has the ability to produce that and they should be judged on the individual's skills and work and not again people with more experience and talent. However that is often very hard if not impossible when we have an online community as large as filefront, where even guest can vote.

But I do agree with intrepid:

On the one hand: sometimes one should avoid trouble and stirring up folks and just "go away from it". Not from the community itself, but from the argument.

It's what I mainly do these days unless it's a MSFC issue that needs my attention. It's a reason I don't submit much in the way of POTD to filefront any more, I mainly only upload to my profile album here instead.

It's for fun and should remain as such.

From what I can tell there seem to be some very strong niche markets in the PotD's on several of those sites and tempers run hot.

Well said and put.

Go look at the A2Files PotD's and read some of the things he's said about others' work. Sounds like karma finally caught up to him. Awwww!

Yeah he really dished it out to Jetfreak not all that long ago and due to this I really don't have time or sympathy for him. Jet is one of the nicest people you'll ever find and here this guy was complaining and nitpicking in a negative way towards Jet's images which I saw as there being nothing wrong with them at all. I personally had put it down to jealously.

I agree Karma did catch up with him Thunderfoot.

I think the problem is he's being a bit up himself about this. "7.8?! I expected better than this!"... who talks like that? Slightly highly strung.

I would be over the moon if I ever got a 7.8 for any game image I posted on Filefront. I think his expectation on himself are a little bit overrated.

 

[thunderfoot]

A few other things I'd like to point out here.

1) ALL modders are attention mongers at heart. ALL of us.

2) This would not be the first time someone threatened publicly to leave and never return as a clever way to draw additional attention to themselves and their mods/work. By making such an overwrought, drama filled, public exit, he has guaranteed others will comment on it and be concerned about not having any more of his _______.(fill in the blank as appropriate)

3) If he truly meant to leave because he was upset, he would simply go. Without all of the extraneous, self serving(The word I want to use would be filtered out. It is a noun which describes a certain biological byproduct created by male cows' digestive systems).

4) Some people will buy into this tacky and obvious trick, despite being smart enough to know better.

After some of the things he's done to and written about people I consider good friends, I say, "Good Riddance! BTW, mind the the door don't catch you on the bum on the way out!"

 

[Terra_Inc]

The PotD haters and trolls have always been a problem in the A2F community. A large one or a minor one, I'll let you decide that. It doesn't make a difference because he is actually known in the forums, unlike most of the 1-voters and trolls. If we can't discuss the problem with that person without getting flamed, it's hating. If he or she is a hater, he or she should stop it or leave. And there will be no nit to pick anymore.

 

[K_merse]

The whole thing is a storm in a glass of water. I mean, who cares about the PotD rates? A picture is on the page for a few weeks only! What really matters is the download counts and the ratings of your released mods, that's what determines if you're a good modder or not. Of course there are exceptions, whose PotDs are even better than their mods and they're the measure stick for them (right Jet? ).
If Sovereign wants to quit because some idiots, then let him do so! He wanted to move anyway, this only was a reason for making a last big scene. This is only my opinion of course...

 

[dinosaurJR]

LoL! "grrrr I only got 7.8 for my PoTD!!! I wants more ****it!!!"

That is... well... Is there a word(s) for it? Childish? Self Aggrandizing? Silly? I agree with TF - we are all attention grabbers - I can vouch for me anyway - but thats not necessarily a bad thing. This, however is just going a bit too far.

I would go on to say that he'll be back and its a storm in a tea cup, but to be perfectly honest, I don't care. I long since stopped looking at the PoTD at FF (I long since stopped going to FF on a regular basis. Period.)

It seems to me that in the community there is a drama cycle, whereby every so often something dramatic happens and then blows over... Squire James, Jetnova, that ****py April Fools joke where FF closed itself down... The whole third party SOD converter thing... This isn't the first dramatic happening that shall come to pass and you can bet your sweet tuchus it ain't the last...

 

[Jetfreak]

Then again, this was a long time coming I suppose. Sov's utterly childish antics finally got to him. I've previously made my position clear about naysayers and trolls so you guys know how I feel about them. My primary motivation to show and submit pics is because I CAN, its as simple as that. I don't need some disgruntled spineless troll or really low ratings to put me down.

Besides, PoTD's are just another way to get exposure in the community and from what I've seen, Sov seems to care more about his popularity rather than focusing on what makes him happy. He adores praise and really REALLY thinks he's some sort of demigod. If he leaves, then that's his choice. Good riddance.

 

[ISS_Enterprise_D]

Looks like he is just pulling a stunt, he just commented on your current POTD JF.

*le sigh* And here I was beginning to feel sorry for the guy... Ah well, you gotta play the cards you're dealt....

.....Wait, I think that's the wrong metaphor....

 

[Borg_Queen]

Yeah, he started to troll JF again, I see. Guess Sov still has not gotten it.

Personally, for me I don't care if I get low rating on my pics as long as I get feedback. One of my POTDs some years ago got 5.5, but who cares?
I haven't posted POTDs there in a while now, though. Just lurking around on FF.

 

[K_merse]

Talking about Jetnova: Did you know that the guy is active on FO forums and still working on some giga-project? Not so ambitious and arrogant as he was, but he's still an interesting person

 

[Majestic]

Talking about Jetnova: Did you know that the guy is active on FO forums and still working on some giga-project? Not so ambitious and arrogant as he was, but he's still an interesting person

Actually he got a 1-year ban for his behaviour after complaints being made due to his harassing behaviour and ignoring the FO staff. He is actually plaguing AFC a bit and has been giving a stern talking to by Major Payne about a week or two ago.

As for Sovereign, I think the guy needs a chill pill and settle down.

 

[Jetfreak]

Still, my point still stands. Sovereign001 IS STILL an arrogant and pretentious attention seeker. I've never really been particularly impressed from what he's done over the years both in personality and modding in general. Besides, never give a single ounce of sympathy for someone you barely know personally, especially in the Internet. It's just a common trait here, anonymity allows you to act like a total frakfest, and people certainly take advantage of that.

Truth be told, when Sovereign realizes that YOU are a threat to his "gig", he finds ways to put you down. But he's subtle, that much I can say. He usually starts off with sarcastic remarks like crude complements. General complaints like tiny nitpicks are next. He then moves on trolling, in which he insults you publicly.

 

[ISS_Enterprise_D]

Ach.... I made a big time mistake here then.....Sorry for stirring up some bad blood you guys, I really am. I wasn't fully aware of how bad of a reputation he made for himself. From what you guys have said, I now agree, he deserves whatever the hell karma decides to throw at him.

If a mod/admin would kindly close down this topic. I don't think we need to keep something around that talks about something many of us find distasteful

 

[Hellkite]

As you wish