Kahn in AR Star Trek?

[SciFiFan]

Why did I do these? Because I wanted to. Because I am now and shall always be a little boy at heart. Because SciFi Fan did a great job and he needed to see his beautiful new ship in a pic showing her off to maximum advantage. Because ST II: TWOK is near the top of the list for everyone's favorite science fiction movies. So, here. Enjoy!

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Very nice I love the pictures. I'd like to see you do one of your vids with these.

 

[Jetfreak]

Makes me wonder about the story line though, I wonder how this universe's Jim got into this mess lol

 

[thunderfoot]

Makes me wonder about the story line though, I wonder how this universe's Jim got into this mess lol

Think I'll just use this opportunity to hijack my own thread. All of this timelines/Mirror Universe stuff can sometimes be a little annoying. For the Mirror Universe to match the Prime one to the point it does seems pretty far fetched. I could see it happening once in awhile. But not to the extent it does. Chaos Theory would practically ensure the millions of small, random events which make up each day would eventually bend both versions of the multiverse signifcantly away from each other.

As what the AR Jim Kirk did to wind up in this mess. Who knows.

AR Khan Noonien Singh: "Look at what they've done to my car!"
AR Jim Kirk: "Yeah. Look, we're sorry about that and-"
AR Khan Noonien Singh: "KIIIIIIIRRRRRRKKKKK!"

For those who do not get the joke, Google, "Chrysler Cordoba".

Okay, hijack's over. Move along. Nothing to see here.

 

[SciFiFan]

Think I'll just use this opportunity to hijack my own thread. All of this timelines/Mirror Universe stuff can sometimes be a little annoying. For the Mirror Universe to match the Prime one to the point it does seems pretty far fetched. I could see it happening once in awhile. But not to the extent it does. Chaos Theory would practically ensure the millions of small, random events which make up each day would eventually bend both versions of the multiverse signifcantly away from each other.

As what the AR Jim Kirk did to wind up in this mess. Who knows.

AR Khan Noonien Singh: "Look at what they've done to my car!"
AR Jim Kirk: "Yeah. Look, we're sorry about that and-"
AR Khan Noonien Singh: "KIIIIIIIRRRRRRKKKKK!"

For those who do not get the joke, Google, "Chrysler Cordoba".

Okay, hijack's over. Move along. Nothing to see here.

How about this:

In the Prime universe, Khan tried to hijack the Enterprise.....
In the AR universe, it was the Reliant who found the Botany bay and Khan successfully hijacked it and Starfleet, in it's infinite wisdom, sent Kirk and the Enterprise to get her back if possible, destroy her if necessary.

 

[Knight]

Great pics, and i love Scifi fans story idea!

 

[Starfox1701]

Any thing is possible but I just don't see a good way to recreate the dynamic between both men without treching creadiblity past breaking.

 

[Majestic]

I do think they should do Kahn in this new Star Trek timeline. Many people want it but I feel it's not right, at least for now. If they did Kahn in the next movie or two and it turns out poorly it could undo everything they have done thus far.

I say they do some more original and new things in Star Trek rather than going back on the old.

I might also split this thread and make it a new one. So discussion on this can continue.

 

[thunderfoot]

Well let me see if I can really stir this up a little. The AR timeline is broadly similar to ours. How about a Khan who is rescued by Kirk and he is the only survivor aboard Botany Bay? What would he do then? Maybe join Starfleet? Now this would be interesting. I do not think the Rommies or the Klinks are truly prepared for someone like Khan Noonien Singh.

Short version: In the AR timeline, make Khan one of the Good Guys.

 

[Starfox1701]

oh now that would be a switch. Make him like Garth of Izar

 

[Adm_Z]

heres a little something from Memory Alpha

"Abrams has explained with the alternate reality set up in Star Trek, it would be "ridiculous to not be open" to ideas like resurrecting William Shatner's James T. Kirk or recasting Khan Noonien Singh. "The idea, now that we are in an independent timeline, allows us to use any of the ingredients from the past – or come up with brand-new ones – to make potential stories," he said. [6] When asked specifically about Khan, Orci said he would prefer to develop a story first and then see whether he would be appropriate for it."



So there is a possibility of there being a AR version of Kahn, but not the next movie. I know this isn't exactly what you guys were talking about, I just thought you would like to know that part of the story.

I think more likely, Kahn and his other augments would have taken over whatever un-lucky ship found them, and then, either assault random stations and just bug starfleet, or go to a planet and wait until his numbers were great enough to over run starfleet.

 

[StarBlade]

They did a good enough job with Khan the first time-- there's plenty else to be done in the universe before they turn to Khan.

But then, I said the same thing not so long ago about Heath Ledger as the Joker, and now I can't enjoy the Jack Nicholson version quite the same way anymore. "Why so serious?"

 

[FallenGraces]

Agreed can really see anyone as topping the original Khan. It would be interesting if Hollywood for ONCE says "screw it, lets no mess with the good stuff"
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side note: im more afraid of who they are gonna get to play joker next. One was a lighter messed up creepy (does that make sense?) and the other was just scary...in a good way

 

[Adm_Z]

Off topic: They should get the actor that played Luke skywalker in the original SW movies. He plays the voice of Joker in all the old cartoons, aswell as hobgoblin in the old spiderman cartoons. his laugh is perfect

 

[thunderfoot]

I hope they do something else besides Khan next as well. TWOK would be very hard to reboot anyways. No matter whom they got or how good a job they did, it probably would not compare to the original favorably. There is nearly fifty years of Star Trek material, counting books and games as well as the series and films. JJ Abrams and Co. have an embarrassment of riches to choose from.

I liked the new movie a great deal. The characters all seeemed just like the TOS characters, only moreso. How many times have I said to myself while watching a scene, "Ya know, if Spock would just lose it right here...", or, "Sulu and Checkov don't really get to do as much as I'd like." Then again, I am old enough I got to watch first run episodes. I used to spend far too much time staying up until 3 AM for a local TV station to run the same eleven or twelve TOS episodes as filler.

 

[FahreS]

I hope they do something else besides Khan next as well. TWOK would be very hard to reboot anyways. No matter whom they got or how good a job they did, it probably would not compare to the original favorably. There is nearly fifty years of Star Trek material, counting books and games as well as the series and films. JJ Abrams and Co. have an embarrassment of riches to choose from.

well said, i also think its more interesting to see a story that one dont know.
btw great shots

 

[Hellkite]

Yes it far to early in the game for Kahn in AR Star Trek?

There so much from the original series other than Space Seed

just look

"The City on the Edge of Forever" ,"Mirror, Mirror","The Doomsday Machine"
,"Amok Time","The Devil in the Dark","The Trouble With Tribbles"
"This Side of Paradise","The Enterprise Incident", "Journey to Babel"

and then you have to look in to TAS

yep there a lot more then Kahan that needs to be done

What I like to see is how Kirk and crew meet and engage Koloth, Kor or Kang

 

[StarBlade]

Off topic: They should get the actor that played Luke skywalker in the original SW movies. He plays the voice of Joker in all the old cartoons, aswell as hobgoblin in the old spiderman cartoons. his laugh is perfect

Mark Hamill is a very capable voice actor, but he might be a little old for the role now. Besides, they'll be onto other villains in the next movie. Hopefully they do right by Mr. Freeze, like he was in the Animated Series. Freeze was so well rebooted in that cartoon, they retconned him in the comics as being of the same origin, with his wife Nora as part of his backstory. Briliant stuff, that Animated Series.

But, uh, no Khans. There, back on topic!

 

[Knight]

Lol, we need a new topic just to discuss the Batman animated series at this point. its so good, they got kevin conroy, mark hamill and the woman that voiced Harley Quinn in to voice the characters again in Arkham Asylum.

On topic, i cant help but feel recasting Kahn would be a mistake. TWOK was virtually perfect, and shouldnt be messed with

 

[Starfox1701]

Yes it far to early in the game for Kahn in AR Star Trek?

There so much from the original series other than Space Seed

just look

"The City on the Edge of Forever" ,"Mirror, Mirror","The Doomsday Machine"
,"Amok Time","The Devil in the Dark","The Trouble With Tribbles"
"This Side of Paradise","The Enterprise Incident", "Journey to Babel"

and then you have to look in to TAS

yep there a lot more then Kahan that needs to be done

What I like to see is how Kirk and crew meet and engage Koloth, Kor or Kang

Don't forget Elann of Troyus, the Ultamate Computer, The Tholian Web, Arena, Spector of the Gun, Tommarow is Yesterday, and Immunity Syndrom.

Kirk didn't meet Kor till Errand of Mercy but it definetly did seem like to me the Kirk knew both Koloth and Kang before Dat of the Dove and The Trouble with Tribbles.

 

[SciFiFan]

I have been thinking, I agree that Khan really does not need to be messed with. However, IF they were to, here is my vote for Khan.

 

[Adm_Z]

naw, hes not Hispanic enough, and hes too...emo

He needs to be buff, should be hispanic(doesn't have to), and needs to look psychopathic. You know, evil with a smile

 

[Majestic]

I have been thinking, I agree that Khan really does not need to be messed with. However, IF they were to, here is my vote for Khan.

I would have to disagree with you here mate, I never liked Hayden in Star Wars as Anakin and certainly wouldn't like him in Star Trek. I think he isn't a really good actor at least for a bad guy he does well as a good guy however.

I really don't have anyone in mind who could portray Kahn in my eyes like the original did. But Hellkite is also right, no need to have him in. If they want him in I say wait till move 12 or something.

 

[Starfox1701]

Something to remember about Kahn is he was a Sikh which means that a moderan portral likly be done by an Indian or Pakistani actor

 

[Nalthren]

AR Kahn is a must in my opinion. Most of the trek fanbase were asking for the next film to be a AR-TWOK.

 

[thunderfoot]

I think I'd rather have them leave Khan alone for now. TWOK takes place long after the TOS episode, "Space Seed", where we first meet Khan Noonien Singh. It would be a little discontinuous for him to be as he was in TWOK in a movie series which is in essence a restart of TOS so far. Lots of other stories to tell first. Time for a remake of TWOK later on.

 

[Nalthren]

I think I'd rather have them leave Khan alone for now. TWOK takes place long after the TOS episode, "Space Seed", where we first meet Khan Noonien Singh. It would be a little discontinuous for him to be as he was in TWOK in a movie series which is in essence a restart of TOS so far. Lots of other stories to tell first. Time for a remake of TWOK later on.

True... now i think of it it would be rushed like mad to get it to work.. a remake of space seed would be one thing. but Twok wouldnt.

 

[Muad'Dib]

I look forward to seeing Abramsverse's version of Khan.

I don't however think he should be hispanic (I am hispanic btw); just because Montalban was cast originally in the role, doesn't mean they have to cast a hispanic actor to reprise the role. Khan isn't a hispanic character anyway. However I hope they cast a good actor whatever his ethnicity.

As to the story itself, Khan's appearance in a new movie would not be a Wrath of khan remake but instead a Space Seed remake as it would entail Kirk and Khan's first encounter. The story could end right there if they kill Khan off during their first encounter or potentially Khan can be a recurring enemy for Kirk, although it wouldn't be rpudent to have Khan hog up the enemy slot in the movies on a constant basis and leaving Khan alive out there is too much unsatisfactory as it leaves things unresolved.

They could potentially mix Space Seed with TWoK, as someone mentioned, having the Reliant encounter the Botany Bay and the Enterprise coming in after the fact of that ship's hijaking but that wouldn't establish the previous animosity between Kirk and Khan which is the basis for their story.

They could also have the Enterprise rescue the Botany Bay as before and somewhere halfway through the film have the crew dropped off elsewhere where they then take over the Reliant, that way the Enterprise could be facing off against the Reliant in the latter half of the movie. This establishes a relationship between Kirk and Khan in the first half of the film and resolves their battle by the last half.

I think can is very appealing as a nemesis because there have been very few opponents in ST which have made truly significant villains against any one of the captains and Khan certainly fits the bill. I think they must include him as the enemy at some point, if not the next film, Kirk needs to have a worthy adversary who really tests him both as a character and as a captain.

I hope they do put a new Khan. I don't know how many movies they plan to make under the new timeline, I read somewhere like only a trilogy is intended (Perhaps they'll do more given the success of the reboot but I doubt the actors will want to be making ST films forever), so Khan should be part of any of these at some juncture.

 

[FallenGraces]

About time i threw in my 2 cents. I feel that they need to make a movie Solely revolving around space seed then leaving it for the possibility of a sequel. Then make an unrelated film to gauge the reactions for the actor who plays Khan then if all is well reintroduce him in a later film