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Federation Carrier U.S.S. Saratoga NX-92015

kjc733

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I like the new nacelles. I'm not sure about the main hull, I think it is to wide.
The pulsedrives are on the nacellepylons, I think they could be better placed on the main hull. It seems to me that 2 propulsion systems so close to one another is a great risk in case of damage.

Two (contradicting) thoughts on this matter. Firstly, you want to keep concentrated impulse wake as far from the hangers as possible. Wakes mean turbulance which is the last thing you want on finals after a long hard days flying. Secondly, implanting impulse drives in the hull means less internal volume for other stuff (hence the secondary pods on my Intrepid refit - not that I'm suggesting you do this here). That said, its a big ship.

Regarding the main hull, I'm not sure that it's too wide, I think its the fact it tapers back too much with the secondary hull. Make the secondary hull a bit wider and the proportions may fell a little better.

Another thing I would suggest, if you're interested, is instead of just a small indentation on the corner parts, turn them into smooth curves, both where the sides of the main section meet the nose and where the sides meet the rear. I think it will give it a bit more flow.

It's a shame because I think the angled primary hull adds character. But... I think the issue isn't that its angled, its that you are using a mix of styles on the same hull. If you look at a side view you see a nicely curved secondary hull and (now) curved nacelles, which is a big contrast with the angled primary hull. I'm really not sure what you can do to resolve this without a radical rework - the blending dvatreknerd suggested may work, but I suspect it'll be harder, and less effective, than you think. But there's only one way to find out.

Apologies if I seem to be coming across as negative, I like where the design is,the fact that its an evolution of the Typhon but seems to fit in with the rest of the fleet (which the Typhon didnt in my opinion). I'm just trying to provide constructive criticism as just getting a thumbs up all the time won't help improving the design.
 

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I am all for any criticism, comments and ideas. If I wasn't I wouldn't have started this thread. And in the end, what I like and think may or may not match was others might think. You guys have brought up design points I too thought might need a little rework. The new nacelles (actually much older as i used them on another mesh) were an interim tweek that i actually liked when I applied them. i do appreciate all the input. And the design will evolve until I decide it's "Finished". LOL If you look at the STX... that design's been evolving for near on 8 years now. Will keep everyone posted. :)
 

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Voyager is relative small. A carrier is much bigger and requires pulseengines that similair bigger. I thought I mention it.
 

Kirtemor

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Voyager is relative small. A carrier is much bigger and requires pulseengines that similair bigger. I thought I mention it.

I appreciate it. I have tried the Impulse engines in multiple locations and I am going leave them where they are. While the impulse engines are bigger, so are the pylons holding them. At current estimates, between 3 and 4 decks tall. So there is strength there for them and the Nacelles.

That being said I do not want to discourage any thoughts or ideas. I appreciate all the input. :)
 

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A couple of new shots of the Saratoga! I have finished the flight decks!
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Your design has evolved a lot and is clearly an evolution from the Typhoon from Invasion.

I just wasn't sure of the launch acceleration fo the fighters is all. I know the modern jets use catapults get up to fight speed, i just thought some kkind of accelerator would be used to get starfighters up to combat speeds when needed. :)

I'm a little late to the discussion here, but I see Star Trek fighters being like shuttles in which they can land and take off under their own power. At best they might need tractor beam assistance for landing, however I doubt that in anything but an emergency as long as the hangars are large enough to allow for high speed combat landings.
 

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still working on the finer details but here is a shot from inside a flight deck. I checked out the opening sequence to Star Trek: Invasion (where the Valkyries cam from and I realised that they do not have landing gear, only a kind of platform, which I modeled from the limited image resources.
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Love the Star Wars stuff in it. :D
 

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I just re-watched DS9's first episode and saw something that I had forgotten about. The runabouts launch from the hull via elevator rather than a hangar. Could something like that be viable for carriers like the Saratoga?
 

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I do have 6 Elevaotrs within serving the 2 flight decks large enough to lift a runabout. I modeled them in, though i know you can'rt see them. I did think about that. :)

Love the Star Wars stuff in it. :D

I thought it was a cool touch. :)

Please refrain from double posting- HK

oops. i will remember that. :)
 
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here is a look at the ship I am currently hung up with. She is supposed to be a federation Carrier in the line of the Typhon. But larger. Capable of manning and maintaining 60 fighters and their crew. I know she isn't much to look at now, but I have yet to begin detailing her hull and adding windows. What do you all think?
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I am looking for some feedback and critique on design and what not. :)

Here are a couple more updates. Were should Flight Control be located? Would it be part of CIC, set between my flight decks with windows fore and aft? Other suggestions?

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Here's another WIP shot. This time displaying a nearly completed mesh with two nacelle options, the old being at the bottom. :)View attachment 12489

A couple of new shots of the Saratoga! I have finished the flight decks!
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I'm late to posting on this thread, but I have to say your USS Saratoga, Saratoga Class Starfighter Carrier is simply amazing. It is a big evolution from the Typhon Class Starfighter Carrier. The Valkerie Class and Gryphon Class Starfighters look quite at home on the Saratoga. Looking forward to future updates on your Starfighter Carrier. Nice Job!
 

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Hello:
I have seen the entire concept now, it is a very nice idea. Ihope you will be able to give full stats on this ship once it is fully ready to your satisfaction :) .

I know I risk sound too BSG-like, but I imagine this ship with 2 Typhoons at the sides and the other ships as escorts (like Defiants, Akiras and Ronins).

Keep it up! :D .
 
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