Do You Think Our Download Limit is Too High?

[Majestic]

An ongoing part of our previous poll, I wanted to get opinions see what people think. This one is pretty straight forward, do you think our limit is too high? If so what do you recommend the limit should be. Please post that limit in your reply.

Of course at the end of the day it's up to the artist's who host their files here and recommendations or such will be presented to them via PM.

Poll is Multi-choice, so you can choose more than one option.

The original thread this started from can be found here:
http://www.msfc.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=4512

 

[-RJB-]

I do think a person has to be an active member of the community to use the system. I'd be more towards 50 post, 30 days and 10 rep. If they need a file sooner then they can ask the author and they can make the call.

 

[CABAL]

I think 15 posts, 7 days, and 10 rep would work nicely, but rep does get under used around here so I also voted 15 posts, 14 days, and 0 rep.

 

[Starfox1701]

Is ther any way to auto rep a person for ceirtain milestons like awards and stuff?

 

[Majestic]

Is ther any way to auto rep a person for ceirtain milestons like awards and stuff?

Unfortunately no, however that would then defeat the purpose of the rep system.

 

[Starfox1701]

Not really I mean isn't the point to ecourage participation? I makes since for some things like 1000 posts or like the awards we used to have. Stuff like that requiers time and effort to earn. Wouldn't a ceirtain amount of rep be appropriate for such things?

 

[K_merse]

I think that many people come here because they heard that there are cool stuffs on the site, worth to download.
I liked Adm_Z's idea, we should separate the downloads to two part: The first one would be available to anyone who registered on the site. The second one would be the Exclusive contents which was discussed in the previous poll and they would be available only to those who are active members of the community.

 

[Majestic]

Not really I mean isn't the point to ecourage participation? I makes since for some things like 1000 posts or like the awards we used to have. Stuff like that requiers time and effort to earn. Wouldn't a ceirtain amount of rep be appropriate for such things?

There is already an option where a member gets so many rep per so many posts, the same with how long they have been able to keep their account active (ie logging in at least once a month). It's something I set up with vB when I first installed the rep system requirement for downloads.

Remember Rep Power is not Rep points, it's how powerful your own repetition is to a member you give Rep to. FOr example my Rep Power is 250 as seen next to this post in the postbit_legacy section to the left. However my total Rep Points is actually 3411 points as seen through my settings panel where I can see who has given me rep and what they have said. SO if I was to give rep to someone straight off the bat, they'd already have the Rep points needed to meet the download requirements, as I would give them 250 rep points.

I find people still confuse Rep Power and Rep Points up a fair bit, even after my last time I explained this in a thread a year or so ago when we introduced the rep points in the download requirements.

I think that many people come here because they heard that there are cool stuffs on the site, worth to download.
I liked Adm_Z's idea, we should separate the downloads to two part: The first one would be available to anyone who registered on the site. The second one would be the Exclusive contents which was discussed in the previous poll and they would be available only to those who are active members of the community.

That would be an ideal solution, however we need people to donate to help with that cause, people who wish to and can afford to. Even if we got 10 people to donate $5 each will cover that (paypal takes money plus the exchange between US and AU $ can give or take money depending on exchange rates). But I don't expect any of that so at the moment I am looking at if we do change the limit what would be best and what the people who host here think. Though opinions from non-hosters is of course always welcomed.

 

[CABAL]

I find people still confuse Rep Power and Rep Points up a fair bit, even after my last time I explained this in a thread a year or so ago when we introduced the rep points in the download requirements.

I think that adding Rep Points to the bit next to the post where it has poster info would help with this. I'm not even sure where to see how many rep points I have.

 

[Majestic]

I think that adding Rep Points to the bit next to the post where it has poster info would help with this.

I'm already looking into this.

Update: Got it in a working, Cabal you have over 1700 Rep points.

I'm not even sure where to see how many rep points I have.

However my total Rep Points is actually 3411 points as seen through my settings panel where I can see who has given me rep and what they have said.

Yeah what I said^

A direct link for you:
http://www.msfc.com.au/forum/usercp.php

 

[Hellkite]

Yep this should clear it up a far bit

Good job Maj

 

[Majestic]

Thanks Hellkite and thanks for the +Rep.

 

[CABAL]

Yay! Thank you. +rep

 

[Hellkite]

Thanks Hellkite and thanks for the +Rep.

It was well earned my friend

 

[Majestic]

Yay! Thank you. +rep

You're welcome anything to try and make it easier for the community and thanks for the +Rep.

I also re-did the poll as some of the votes may have been based on Rep Power and not points. So please could everyone please vote again. I also cleared up two of the poll options as I could see they could have been misinterpreted.

 

[Avon]

Remember Rep Power is not Rep points, it's how powerful your own repetition is to a member you give Rep to. ..........snip..............
I find people still confuse Rep Power and Rep Points up a fair bit, even after my last time I explained this in a thread a year or so ago when we introduced the rep points in the download requirements.

An excellent point, and something I think many of us forget. Me especially, lol.

I also re-did the poll as some of the votes may have been based on Rep Power and not points. So please could everyone please vote again.

Good idea, considering our confusion

 

[Terra_Inc]

I think something between 7 and 14 days would be fine, with a low amount of posts. I don't know how much rep is given these days, so no idea on the repcounts.

If someone thinks he can spam his way through, we'll see it and he can be b&.
If someone thinks he can wait his way through, he'll need to post some stuff nonetheless and then we'll see that he is ebil and he can be b&.
If someone has the brainz and the time to both wait and be constructive, there's no way we can stop him anyway.

Just my 0.02$. Remember, even jetnova was once a credible new member, and if he had been more careful with what he posted elsewhere, it would have taken much longer to spot him.

 

[Borg_Queen]

I think the balance is right.

Oh, and nice one that we now have both rep. points and rep. power shown under our avatar as I to am confused over the difference from time to time.

 

[thunderfoot]

It is not broken, so why repair it? Is this a Community or simply a downloads repository?

I participated in the current system. As did nearly most of the current members. I understand why some would want to relieve some of the requirements, but on the whole I think they work as intended. The only exception I can see making to the requirements as they are now is to a new member who has files they would like to contribute to the Downloads Section. Since someone is actively improving the quality of the place in this specific instance, the requirements should be waived.

"Buh! Buh! Buh...Thass not fair! Waaah!" I can already hear people shrieking my name in hatred. Real Life isn't fair, either. The limits were originally put in place to encourage people to actively participate in this Community. How is this unfair? It is a still a perfectly valid reason to retain them as is.

But I recognize mine will probably be the minority viewpoint here. So I propose this: Remove the limits entirely and let everyone do as they please. The limits also help protect the integrity of the rights of people who mod and share things with the Community. Is this not one of the foundations of MSFC? Is it still valid or has the phrase, "protecting the rights of artists" suddenly gone out of fashion around here because some find it inconvenient to adhere to? BTW, if you do remove the limits completely, I'll ask nicely for someone to please remove everything I've ever had hosted here. Not restrict, remove. As in no longer available. It is a very small gun as such things go, but it is all I have at the moment.

 

[CABAL]

I don't think that the requirements will ever go away as long as Maj is in charge, so I wouldn't worry about that.

The only exception I can see making to the requirements as they are now is to a new member who has files they would like to contribute to the Downloads Section. Since someone is actively improving the quality of the place in this specific instance, the requirements should be waived.

I really like this idea. If they're already trying to contribute in such a way, then why should their post count or rep matter?

 

[Katala]

I don't think that the requirements will ever go away as long as Maj is in charge, so I wouldn't worry about that.



I really like this idea. If they're already trying to contribute in such a way, then why should their post count or rep matter?

Unfortunately, you can't have it both ways... VBulletin just wont allow it, you can either have it on or off completely or we have to go an manually adjust each and every person which takes up alot of time and prevents us from doing more important tasks on the site and so long as MSFC is still up and running it wont be taken off. Maj was just asking what everyone's opinions were on the subject

 

[Andre27]

Maybe i'm missing something. Why do you need rep which is given by someone else to download a file?

Post count & duration on the forum those i can understand to a point, but why rep?

 

[Borg_Queen]

If I'm not mistaken, the rep is to show if you can be trusted or not (as both positive and negative rep can be given).

 

[Adm_Z]

I don't know that you can give negative rep. I know I cant.

 

[Majestic]

Only staff members can give negative rep, though we never do use it. Rep is to show that you've made a post that a member of the community has found rep worthy as they are the ones we feel that should have the final say as to whether a member is the kind of person they'd like to access their files. It's also to encourage people to use the system with is largely ignored.