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Day- and Nightshifts

EAS_Intrepid

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Hi fellow co-posters!

As you may know, I work as an EMT-B and I am gearing up for EMT-P qualification.

Now I operate in a 12hour day and night shift schedule. Usually this means that you have three days dayshifts, then two days off, then three days in nightshift and three days off again. Days like Christmas eve or new years's day don't matter, since there has to be someone who does what we usually do. Weekends don't count either and since we de facto work with a five-day week this adds sort of a fifth four-day week to a month.

But since I started working this schedule is absolutely messed up. It is not uncommon for us to work four days in day, then have maybe one day off to switch to nightshift. Then two days nightshift and three days off-work again.
The guy who does the work schedule really tries not to be too cruel to us and keep it all in balance, but in the case that colleagues fall out of the roster it can get messed up from one day to the other. Plus there's guys like me who have special wishes, like not having too many day shifts (I just like working at night better).
Example: One broke his leg while his team plus voluntary firefighters were transporting a 150kg-patient off a three story building. Means his work times had to be diverted to us and a colleague dispatched from another station. Another one has a cold and one other is out of work for a month or so due to back pains.
The colleague with a cold is returning in two days, but that still needs us to cover additional workhours. Now the financial planning is so tight that the organization which runs the EMS cannot simply "order" someone at "Joey's EMS Personel" to come here an replace the colleagues.

The 12hour shift system alone results in very infrequent free time. I love my job, but at some point I have enough of sick people (or people at all). My private life is basically on hold. Where others who have a weekend (so two days) off work, I have to spend at least one day to switch to day or night shift.
If you have worked five 12h shifts in a row, you feel like a zombie at the "weekend". I am beginning to feel what this does to your body. Irregular sleep and eat times for example. I got extremly used to night shift so I started to have problems sleeping at night. After a few changes between day and night times, your body needs chinese noodles at 3 am or you are not hungry at the usual times. Sleep disorders and loss of appetite... and I am not the only one. Ask nurses or doctors in a three shift hospital.

However: We are still priviliged to have a 12 hour system. The Berlin Police switched from this to a three shift system. Early, late, and nightshifts.
(same as the above mentioned nurses and docs). The percentage of sick policemen and women has increased tremendously since then. I do not know if there is an official statistic (probably not) but from what I could hear this puts a lot of people working there under stress, because the duty roster is even more frakked up than ours. But they have an advantage. "Dienstgruppen" - squads. These people work with each other every single shift they have. They know who it will be sitting next to them on patrol.
Same as in hospitals. And don't think a nightshift in a Cardiological care unit is a cakewalk....

What I would like for my job would be: Don't start the shift at 7 am please. Make it an 8 am sift. Eight to eight.... that would be perfect. It does not matter I am home at 20:30 or at 19:30. But it does matter if I get up at 5:30 or 6:30.... 6:30 just feels better....

But still I am a lucky guy. No-one tries to fire SCUD missiles upon me while I sleep or I don't have to sleep in a rambling Bradley IFV. Nor does a Drill Sargeant come into my room to politely ask my squad to run a few kilometers.
"What does a soldier define as 'free time'? - The time between the 'Ateeen' and 'tion' from his Sarg."
 

Hellkite

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I know all to well of what your talking of my friend
But try this went you add 10 hours jet-lag on top of it then the fun starts and then be on call 24 7 as alert fighter so free time a word that is not in your vocab and rack time is when you can cache it after the paper work and Pt is done

Sleep its worth fighting for :D
 

Starfox1701

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I rmember once in 1997 athe sonic drive in I was working at had a whole bunch of people quit at once. I ended up working 8 am to 1 pm for the next month straight no days off. So I know your pain man:cool:
 

Majestic

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I can sympathise what you're going through, having work a few 12 hour shirts and having a disability that makes me really tired all the time. Rest is really one thing you can't go without, you need sleep. When you don't get it you're really not living. If I had one wish I'd personally have it so I was one of those people who only needed 4 hours a day and then I was rested. I have not felt rested since I was in high school.
 
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thunderfoot

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I understand exactly how you feel, Intrepid. When I first started driving long haul trucks, my schedule could be completely thrown out of whack by someone taking two and one half hours instead of two hours to load the reefer with fruit or other perishables. Down time is mandatory for us drivers. At that time, it was eight hours. It has since been changed to ten hours but some days it is very hard to keep to a somewhat regular schedule. People do not realize the problems sleep debt can cause to someone's cogitative process. I recently read an article where it was presented that nearly everyone in what we call the Western world is about two or three complete cycles behind on sleep.

And as to free time, as a friend of mine says, "I used to have a life. Then, my job ate it."

Still we do what we do because we love it, don't we? And we had a pretty good idea it would be challenging before we signed on. I for one am very glad the Bundesrepublik has people like you watching out for ordinary people who suddenly find themselves in unusual circumstances. I wish the EMTs available here were as dedicated and professional as the ones I dealt with im Deutschland back in the Eighties. If I ever get the chance to visit Berlin again, I know I'll feel safer knowing my friend EAS_Intrepid is somewhere nearby.
 

EAS_Intrepid

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Thunderfoot, my sympathies. I now a few "truckers" from around here and they have the requirement to rest a certain amount of time as well. However they can split their breaks.

And a friend of mine is a train driver. Now he is driving local trains but a while back he sat in the cockpit of larger interrergional ones. According to him, the worst part of the job was to arrive at some station somewhere far from home and having several hours waiting time until he could head back at night.
 

Avon

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Yeah I feel your pain better than most.
I do 5 twelve hour night shifts in a row, then three off.
The hardest thing for me, by far, is trying to change your sleeping pattern back into days to try and enjoy your time off. Then you have to change back again to start work.

For my 3 days off, I'm lucky to get one good day in the middle, then two hard days of headaches and tiredness.
For me it's like being jetlagged at least twice a week:cry:

The other problem I find, and I've read about this aswell, is that night workers are permanently tired. No matter how much sleep you get, you are always run-down and tired. This is why they recommend you should not do more than 5 years of nights. (I'm on my 8th year:sleep:)
 

EAS_Intrepid

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Yeah I feel your pain better than most.
The hardest thing for me, by far, is trying to change your sleeping pattern back into days to try and enjoy your time off. Then you have to change back again to start work.

Exactly. It is a medical fact, that prolonged work at night causes (severe) sleep issues. No wonder, we are not creatures of the night by nature, but the society "forces" some people to work at night. There are a hundred jobs that still need to be done at night time, because, well, people in a mental home are also sick at night and crime does not stop just because the sun goes down - quite the contrary.

And then there are the many commodities you don't want to miss, even at 23:00 or 03:45. I for one am glad that there are two larger supermarkets on my way home that are opened until midnight. And even after midnight the work there does not stop. But all in all it is not really necessary....

What I found out: At parties, which I rarely attend anyway, the night workers stay fit for a longer period of time than the people used to 9 to 5 jobs :lol:

The duty roster makes arranging meetings with friends a real challenge. When I look at the jobs my friends have (nurses, EMTs, one works as dispatcher for public transport) who work under the same conditions I do, you can't just say "let's meet on Saturday..." because usually one or more reply "Can't. Saturday I have a late shift at *inset sick people's place here*".
What absolutely does not work for me is having a relationship with someone who has a "normal" job. You can't find time together to spend some time together or to sort stuff out if there is a problem. I guess that dealing with me was difficult for my last partner, which is probably my fault, not her's. Medical personel can be quite straining in private life...
A scientifical study (work sociology, very interesting field!) showed, that most relationtships (be it friends or partners) of medical personel are between them and ..... other medical people....

I always wondered, how soldiers can reintegrate back into civilian life after deployment, when it is already challenging to rotate back to the simple life after 12hours of EMS.
Thunderfoot said, that we knew what we were up to when we signed on. Somewhat, yeah, concerning work times. But I guess I was too idealistic to see the social ramifications of that.

I don't miss: Christmas parties.... at Christmas I work. As much as I love winter I hate Christmas.

@Avon, what job do you work in?
 

dinosaurJR

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Wow - I had no idea so many of you guys worked nights... I am one of the lucky ones; I have only ever worked two or three nights in my life... Touch wood it stays that way. 100% white collar, that's me...

It can get pretty gnarly when I'm on a business trip though; twelve to twenty hour days is the norm. You must fit in as much work as possible into the time you are in the country. China is the worst - add a six hour jet lag (just enough to completely screw your natural rhythm) to the long days and you are fit for nothing when you get home...

I must admit that this is pretty lame compared to the hardships you guys put up with, though. My biggest issue is that I don't get enough exercise when I'm traveling - I need ~ 1 hour a day or I get a little weighty...
 
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