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American Politics

Who do you want to win the 2008 American Presidental Election?

  • John McCain

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Mike Huckabee

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Barack Obama

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hillary Clinton

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Any Republican

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Any Democrat

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • I could really care less!

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • Total voters
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CrazyFrog1903

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I am just curious if anyone is actually following the American Presidential race. I know politics can be a sour subject. No flame wars on this or this thread will be locked and removed. There will be a poll of who you think should be President. Everyone is entitled to thier own opinion. This thread is just for the purpose of seeing what people think. Keep it friendly.
 

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I'm not going to select one until the primary nominations are done. My vote depends on who gets it.
 

CrazyFrog1903

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I understand that. I personally am hoping McCain gets it. He has the most experiance. Also, he is not only a veteran but he was a fighter pilot and P.O.W. I know that I do not want Clinton in Office. I just don't think she would do any good. I really don't know alot about the other two.

I know many women that would do great as president but they are to trustworthy to go into politics. LOL.
 

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Being Australian I don't follow American politics, hell I don't even follow Australian politics until a week before election time. :lol:

So I am not going to vote myself.

Politics is something I normally avoid myself, the same a religion. My two personal golden rules. :lol:
 

CrazyFrog1903

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I avoid it much myself. But I figured it was only a matter of time till someone posted a thread like this one. I felt it was best that one of the staff started it. That way it could be done properly and with as small of a chance of flame wars as possible.
 

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Rest assured, there will be no flame war here...

On the note of who I hope will get the election... I have my mind who I'll vote for, if they get their nminations But it is too early still to say for sure.

Don't worry Majestic, I follow it enough for both of us.:lol:
 
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Could really care less. I mean, McCain has experience, but so does Clinton, plus she can get pointers from her husband (I.E., how not to have a scandal :p), Obama will probably carry most of the African American vote, and nobody's going to elect a Republican, not this soon after what I like to call "The Bush Catastrophe".
 

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Not being American I havn't been following the election, though if there was an "Anyone but George Bush" option I'd vote for that :lol:
 

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Not being American I havn't been following the election, though if there was an "Anyone but George Bush" option I'd vote for that :lol:
I second that option. :D

I'm hoping Clinton will get it, but I'm not going to vote this year, the candidates are too politically incorrect in my opinion...
 

CrazyFrog1903

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I would have put the "anyone but Bush" option but Bush can't run again. So, it would be a mute point. Althought the whole primary set up that is in place is really pointless. The public does not even vote for the president. They vote for a group of electors. Who in turn vote for the president. Is there any other country that makes you vote for those who will vote for you?
 
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I would have put the "anyone but Bush" option but Bush can't run again. So, it would be a mute point. Althought the whole primary set up that is in place is really pointless. The public does not even vote for the president. They vote for a group of electors. Who in turn vote for the president. Is there any other country that makes you vote for those who will vote for you?

The primary/caucus/conventions etc. aren't even selecting the President - voters are throwing their support, and thus the support of delegates, behind a particular candidate so as to get a party nomination. Months away from now, the Electoral College will be used to select a president.

As a minor historical note, if I recall correctly, the last time the Republicans had a convention where no candidate had sufficient delegates to secure the nomination, Abraham Lincoln walked out as the party nominee. However, I doubt that this will happen here and now.
 

CrazyFrog1903

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The primary/caucus/conventions etc. aren't even selecting the President - voters are throwing their support, and thus the support of delegates, behind a particular candidate so as to get a party nomination. Months away from now, the Electoral College will be used to select a president.


I was refering to the whole process. As it has been said many times before. Delegates just like electors don't have to vote or give support to whom they are told to. The people can put there support behind whomever they want but the final decision is far out of thier hands. The founding fathers did not trust the common man to make choices. It is kind of ironic. That is one reason this whole talk is rather pointless.
 
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well i say i realy care less or sumin coz well im british n who eva becomes the nxt prezident i dont care all tho who eva it is betta be ecological n get america up and going

by doing the following things-
reduce pollution
reduce the sale of guns and drugs over 20.000 people in america have a gun
reduce the amount of unhealthy food come on people fried chicken insunt a vegitable
reduce-crime prostitutes drug users illness

im sorry for the spelling but my new computer will not use the spell checker:confused:
 

CrazyFrog1903

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Fried chicken is my favorite. Its not unhealthy food that the problem. Its all the people who sit around and do nothing. I have wieghed the same for 13 years now. I eat all the "unhealthy" food. But I am always busy.
 
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and if you're using mozilla there is a dictionary plug in... whatever language you like...

Incidentally I know nothing really ambout american politics, but I do think it's high time that America had a coloured president...

If only to make some people realise that the colour of their skin is not as big a bar for advancement as some people would have them believe.
 
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If you're using IExplorer try ieSpell it's what I use. ;)

sorry no can do i don't use iexplorer i use aol and all attempts at using iespell have been futile my anti-virus mcafee says program is has a virus and ieSpell - Spell Checker add-on for Internet Explorer is marked as red by mcafee's site adviser so its blocked

Incidentally I know nothing really ambout american politics, but I do think it's high time that America had a coloured president...

If only to make some people realise that the colour of their skin is not as big a bar for advancement as some people would have them believe.

yea it is time the americans had a woman or colored person instead of white males. but the one problem with the hole president thing is they rely to heavily on religion Ive seen many things go bad cos of religion like the arch-bishop of Canterbury nearly loosing his job because he thinks the uk will soon have the disgracefully law that the people of India and Pakistan use the one where men do everything and women have to stay in doors and cover their face up and cook and clean and that law was created by religion so the new president should not rely on religion that was bushes major flaw (sorry if someone finds it offensive but I'm atheist in other words i don't do religion and i relay don't like religion its humanity's biggest flaw and now i sound like Borg lol)
 
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Paulhanselluk

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its just a case of change the puppet, then followed by a change of the puppet master.
 
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I'm all for Huckabee, mostly because he shares my veiws on all the major conservative items I can think of... And the one person I don't want is Obama, he's all fluff... A pretty face and a silver tongue, nothing more...
 
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[America's next President should do the following things:]
Reduce pollution
Reduce the sale of guns and drugs - over 20.000 people in America have a gun
Reduce the amount of unhealthy food - come on people fried chicken isn't a vegetable
Reduce: crime, prostitutes, drug users, illness

[Edited heavily for spelling, etc.]

I ask you, what place does the government have in the management of pollution? Surely, government did not change gasoline, what was at one time an INDUSTRIAL WASTE PRODUCT, into a viable commercial commodity. And I haven't even begun when it comes to China - firsthand accounts of various cities there paint a picture of a heavily polluted cityscape, far in excess of most, if not all, American cities.

You want Americans to reduce legal gun sales? Why? Guns, in and of themselves, do not and furthermore cannot commit a crime. Encouraging law-abiding citizens to have the means to defend themselves levels the playing field, as it were - one certainly cannot somehow manage to take all guns away from all lawbreakers, before the fact. It is simply not possible.

Reduce the sale of drugs? How? The best way to strangle any industry, shady or otherwise, is to place it under significant government regulation and taxation - i.e. turn it into a legal, but regulated trade. Prices go down, drug-providers can take disputes to the courts as opposed to the streets, and people in government suddenly have a repeat of the end of Prohibition - that is to say, the Gravy Train comes to a screeching halt.

Reduce the amount of unhealthy food - and replace it with what? Government issue paste? No, thank you; having dealt with public school cafeterias in the past, I would just as soon avoid repeating the experience.

Reduce crime, prostitutes, drug users, illness - all laudable goals. Now, how in blazes is an American government going to go about doing so, particularly on the illness matter? Remember, whatever a government does, it has to pay for, and as I have been reminded by those of my acquaintance, the Bush 43 administration has, in conjunction with Congress, managed to significantly increase America's National Debt. Now, government-issued bonds are, in fact, marketable goods in and of themselves, but I suspect that borrowing more money is simply borrowing more trouble.

Excelsior190 said:
Yes it is time the Americans had a woman or coloured person [for President] instead of white males.

[Edited for spelling, etc.]


I've always found it hilarious that those who claim to actively seek equality between all people simultaneously differentiate between genders, racial traits, and so forth. It seems somehow counterintuitive. Personally, I'm more worried about whether or not whomever is sent to the Oval Office is trustworthy, and willing to perform the duties of the office, as opposed to using it to benefit his/her own ends, and ONLY those ends.

CrazyFrog1903 said:
I was refering to the whole process. As it has been said many times before. Delegates just like electors don't have to vote or give support to whom they are told to.
If I understand correctly, whomever a delegate claims to support gets that vote at convention the first go-round, and perhaps the second, if no candidate gets sufficient votes. At that point, a brokered convention occurs, where delegates are up for grabs. As for the Electoral College, the only occurrence I can recall of defecting electors, at least during the Twentieth Century, was during an election in which William Jennings Bryant was participating. If the Electoral College can't select the President, then the matter goes to the House of Representatives. I believe that this has occurred in the past, but I can't recall the details, though the name Henry Clay jumps to mind, oddly enough.
 

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As far as the Electorial college. The only time I remember someone not voting for who they were instructed to was a woman voted for Jesse Jackson. Also, the Electors are not required by law to tell who they voted for. If I could remember her name I would say it. As far as the controling what people use. The problem is when you give people the right to be stupid. Many times they will take it. I am not pushed by race or sex when it comes to choosing who I vote for. I have always gone for the person who had the best values and I felt could do the best job. Like I said before, to me McCain looks to have the most experiance. I don't think Clinton would do good for many reason. The biggest thing to me is how people are with thier families. THats shows alot about the person. But I do admit that I don't know much about the other two.
 
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I voted for Clinton. I think it is about time we get our first female president. Bur if I could vote for trwo be, obama would be next.
 
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Stephen:
While I agree with a lot of what you have to say I would like to warn you a little against the 'guns don't hurt people' argument. Yes it does take a person to pull the trigger, but there is a whole lot of very real evidence saying that if he can't get hold of a gun he can't do nearly so much damage..

Perhaps better to quote the experience of Switzerland where every householder has to by law own a firearm, and the country has a very low crime rate in comparison to anywhere in the civilised world (especially in terms of housebreaking )

Your basic argument appears to be one about the role of government in everyday life, whether it is it's job to interfere with such, to force the populace that elected it to be 'better' in some way or whether that same society should be doing the job themselves.

Which is about as fundamental a divide as there ever will be in politics.


Crazyfrog et al:

I must admit to being very... confused by the Electoral college thing too. In the UK, as in most places that claim to be a democracy we don't have to elect people to do our elections, we don't just expect the people we who count our votes to do as we ask.

On the other hand our PM and speaker of the house are done in a manner similar to this (ish) whereby the House selects from among the people we have elected someone to fill the role...

However the MP wishing to become PM has to be elected by their constituency first, nobody who hasn't won the approval directly of the public can even be considered, which i am not sure is the truth for the Electoral College process?

(but as i say i don't reall know the ins and outs of it, any more than presumably many others actually in the country do)

One thing that does worry me a little about it is the elitism that this seems to imply, people who have studied American History will no doubt have come across the concept of the American Constitution's original purpose as being to curtail the over democratic proclamations within the declaration of independence but I was under the impression that the US had moved to a more directly democratic model since.

All that having been said I'm not the biggest fan of ignorant electors as a welcome part of the democratic model either, (look at the Athenian model for that one) and am a rather fierce defender of the totally undemocratic monarchy. I am mostly putting the point out there because people here seem a good deal more rationally informed than most and I would like to know what the opinion on the ground, so to speak, was.
 

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Is Ralph Nader with his Green Party also part of the ralley this time?


What made me laugh was, that Obama now wants ol' Al Gorrrre as Secretary for Environment issues :lol: That Bill's wife did let that happen :lol:

Honestly: From here Obama looks more relaxed than Clinton during the whole ralley. BUT I am not too much of an Obama fan. In my humble small opinion he is MUCH too religious.
That's what I like about McCain, he's a guy with both feet on the ground.

I did not vote in this poll since I also do not vote in the US polls... and because it is really hard to decide.
My advice: vote for the smaller necessary evil...
 
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okay... so yeah i want hillary to win, but she can't feasibly win at all. if she gets nominated there are two d***s in the waiting that will run to make sure that they take votes away from her in the actual presidental vote. n.y.c. mayor bloomberg (sp) and ralph nader yet again. NOW, if she doesn't win the primary and obama wins it, nader and bloomberg (sp) will not run. sad huh?

so, i voted hillary, but will probably end up voting obama later this year.:cry2:
 

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Isn't that one of the joys. I mean pains of the election process? LOL. I think this discussion only proves that most people could really care less who wins. Atleast that is what the Poll shows.
 
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Okay... am officially admitting i was wrong as heck.
Have heard even more about Obama and now thoroughly convinced that the average ohio hick might do a better job.
While it would be good fopr the country to have a president of colour, it would be utterly shocking for everyone else who relies on the american Roosevelt fashioned 'big stick' to have somone who even before he has been vaugely elected has started to waver on the need to be sensible about an end to iraq, i.e. make sure it is stable before pulling out...(look what happened in Iran, Nam, Korea.....just about everywhere else people were pulled out before their job was done..)

You'd genuinely hope that people had already learned that lesson....Abandoning a people who need you doesn't undo any damage already done...whatever the rights and wrongs of the war's origins (mostly wrongs) they aren't going to be rectified by handing the country over to warlords and extremists (who WILL get backing from neighbours)

Not that i really expect anyone to be voting on his policies rather than his colour and party, but still
 

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Not that i really expect anyone to be voting on his policies rather than his colour and party, but still

Elections never where about policy, always about showing off with the better Special Effects...
 

CrazyFrog1903

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Okay... am officially admitting i was wrong as heck.
Have heard even more about Obama and now thoroughly convinced that the average ohio hick might do a better job.
While it would be good fopr the country to have a president of colour, it would be utterly shocking for everyone else who relies on the american Roosevelt fashioned 'big stick' to have somone who even before he has been vaugely elected has started to waver on the need to be sensible about an end to iraq, i.e. make sure it is stable before pulling out...(look what happened in Iran, Nam, Korea.....just about everywhere else people were pulled out before their job was done..)

You'd genuinely hope that people had already learned that lesson....Abandoning a people who need you doesn't undo any damage already done...whatever the rights and wrongs of the war's origins (mostly wrongs) they aren't going to be rectified by handing the country over to warlords and extremists (who WILL get backing from neighbours)

Not that i really expect anyone to be voting on his policies rather than his colour and party, but still

I guess that means if He does beat out Clinton. Then it would almost make it perfect for McCain to win. Politics is nothing but a huge mess.
 
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