About the Terrans

[Muad'Dib]

Hey guys, mod is looking better and better as the days go by and I'm looking forward to your big "treat"!

I was curious aside from the obvious aesthetic appearance, what kind of difference might there be between the Federation Starfleet and the Terran Starfleet?

I suppose things like more weapons oriented ships and heavier shields or things of that nature, however I'd like to know if you could reveal anything about the differences about choosing to play one over the other as I'm certain the team is developing something much more interesting than two identical factions with different paint jobs.

Will the Terrans have any different units, non-canon designs or some such? Special Weapons? What can you reveal at this time?

Thanks.

 

[Majestic]

Hey guys, mod is looking better and better as the days go by and I'm looking forward to your big "treat"!

Ah thanks, we are working around the clock on the mod, we have done a great deal for just having 2 of us on the team.

I was curious aside from the obvious aesthetic appearance, what kind of difference might there be between the Federation Starfleet and the Terran Starfleet?

I suppose things like more weapons oriented ships and heavier shields or things of that nature, however I'd like to know if you could reveal anything about the differences about choosing to play one over the other as I'm certain the team is developing something much more interesting than two identical factions with different paint jobs.

Will the Terrans have any different units, non-canon designs or some such? Special Weapons? What can you reveal at this time?

Thanks.

I was wondering when someone was going to ask us this.

The Terrans are different to the Federation, and their fleet and technology reflects this.

For starters we have the cosmetic differences like ship textures and weapon textures. Then we have them have a few classes of ships and several classes of stations that are infarct different.

A nice example of this is that the Federation uses the Ulysses class as a Dreadnaught while the Terrans use a completely different design. Same can be said of the medium cruiser, frigate and all the non combat ships.

The Federation and Terrans also differ in technology. For example Federation shields are much stronger than the Terrans, but the Terrans excel in weaponry. The Federation also has the advantage in production time due to the cooperative nature and better sensor systems.

Both races also have different special weapons, the Terrans are more focus on destroying the enemy, while the Federation aims to disable the enemy.

 

[Muad'Dib]

Sounds great, thanks for the update!

 

[Paul]

. Terrans would have more Hull Armor than the fed's i think , the Federation develops great shields to protect her ships from such attacks but since the Terrans are to devoted to weaponry , makes sence they would have a strong hull

 

[Majestic]

. Terrans would have more Hull Armor than the fed's i think , the Federation develops great shields to protect her ships from such attacks but since the Terrans are to devoted to weaponry , makes sence they would have a strong hull

Unfortunately that is not possible in Armada 2. It is in multiplayer but it goes out the window when one plays single player. Don't ask me why it happens, it just does thats all I know.

 

[Paul]

Hmm true , addin more hullpoints also means that the crew die a lot faster for some reason ( some mods they have the borg with no shields but a very strong hull , the crew always dies ! )

 

[Excelsiors190]

Terran & Federation Confusion

Why is the terran empire allways shown with red niccels and alot of yellow

 

[Rodglas]

To make it look different from the regular Federation on a quick glance?

 

[Excelsiors190]

hmmmm ok then

 

[Aerilon]

I have often wondered this too. Excluding TOS, where the two ships (apart from the I over the U) looked exactly the same, the only visible change we have seen between the Federation and Terrain Empire are the occasional yellow features on the ships, with the sword through planet logo.

As for the nacelle colour change, I honestly don't know where this came from, nor do I understand it. It seems many projects of which involve the Mirror Universe shade the Federation nacelles and engines differently, why? I don't know. On Enterprise, and In A Mirror Darkly, they look exactly the same.

One does have to ponder...

 

[Syf]

It is simply a matter of making them look a bit different. It makes finding one or 2 in the midst of a massive battle a bit easier. That's pretty much the reason behind the "paint scheme" of adding the yellow flame/sword on the saucer and the red nacelle effect.

 

[Excelsiors190]

then why not just but the yellow things on and a deeper shade of blue where the red is on the nicells

 

[Paul]

Im on the teams side , this must be different

Think about it , Terrans v Fed's , in a battle between them it would be very difficult to find your ships if everything was cannon , they must look different and can be ID'd the second you find them . the terran symbol helps , the new paint helps a lot . But the red nacelles wouldnt make much different , the glow is only visable at a certain angle

 

[Majestic]

Apart from the reasons Syf said, we the team wanted them this way. We wanted something different, TMP era ships for the Terrans have never been seen onscreen in any case.

I have also noticed many especially over at A2Files have complained about this. My suggestion to them is either get over it, TMP Terran vessels aren't canon in any case or don't play the mod when it comes out.

 

[Aerilon]

It is simply a matter of making them look a bit different. It makes finding one or 2 in the midst of a massive battle a bit easier. That's pretty much the reason behind the "paint scheme" of adding the yellow flame/sword on the saucer and the red nacelle effect.

I can understand the yellow stuff, because we have seen it on the Mirror Enterprise ships. But I've just never gotten around the nacelle colour changes.

then why not just but the yellow things on and a deeper shade of blue where the red is on the nicells

Why would they need a different shade of blue, when they could stick with the same?

Apart from the reasons Syf said, we the team wanted them this way. We wanted something different, TMP era ships for the Terrans have never been seen onscreen in any case.

I have also noticed many especially over at A2Files have complained about this. My suggestion to them is either get over it, TMP Terran vessels aren't canon in any case or don't play the mod when it comes out.

Woah, calm down

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaning about the colour schemes. I am on about the Mirror Universe ships in general, at least, for gaming. Not only you, but many ships for Bridge Commander share the fashion of having different coloured nacelles. I've just pondered as to why.

Obviously someone thought one day 'I'm going to change the nacelle colour' and then it took off from there.

 

[Ryan]

Aren't mirror universe ships, aside from slightly different colouring supposed to be identical to their counterparts in our universe?

 

[Majestic]

Woah, calm down

Don't get me wrong, I am not complaning about the colour schemes. I am on about the Mirror Universe ships in general, at least, for gaming. Not only you, but many ships for Bridge Commander share the fashion of having different coloured nacelles. I've just pondered as to why.

Obviously someone thought one day 'I'm going to change the nacelle colour' and then it took off from there.

Well it does get extremely frustrating when people continuously question a teams work on something that isn't even canon. I have never seen a series or episode with TMP Terran vessels in it, or have I missed something?

Also it was never directed at you Tycoon.

Aren't mirror universe ships, aside from slightly different colouring supposed to be identical to their counterparts in our universe?

From what was seen in ENT and TOS yes but TMP Terran vessels where never seen so we decided to take an artistic licence.

 

[Syf]

Let's not forget that different is the point of the mod. Actually, of any mod. Almost everyone can model a standard looking Conny. I honestly find that a bit boring. As to directly answer your questions about the red nacelle glows. The Terrans are a "mirror" opposite version of the Federation. The Feds are the good guys. Their Nacelles glow blue. What is considered the opposite of blue......... You guessed it, Red. There you have it. I am 100% sure that is where the red glow came from. At least, thats the way I think. In the incarnations we've seen of the Terrans, there was never any TMP as Majestic has pointed out. Until I see actual canon, or even semi-canon proof of what a Terran TMP era vessel looks like, we can only use our imaginations.

The Klingons have red nacelle glows, so why can't the Terrans.

What is the point of this question anyway?

 

[Atlantis]

Did you read his question? He said that he's not criticising your work, he's talking about people's idea of mirror universe ships in general.

 

[Aerilon]

Aren't mirror universe ships, aside from slightly different colouring supposed to be identical to their counterparts in our universe?

I guess, to a point, they are suppose to be, yeah. However, this is the problem with having 'The Mirror Universe'. If you think, we know that ENT & TOS had a Terran Empire, though when we get up to DS9, there is no such thing as the Terran Empire. This would mean that there was no Terran Ambassador, no Terran Nebula, no Terran Galaxy etc, just a Terran Defiant (which looked exactly like our Defiant, just without the registry).

Well it does get extremely frustrating when people continuously question a teams work on something that isn't even canon.

I can understand that.

I think it is best if we (all of us) think of this thread as a place to discuss Terran vessels in general, rather than those only in YesterYears.

Also it was never directed at you Tycoon.

The Terrans are a "mirror" opposite version of the Federation. The Feds are the good guys. Their Nacelles glow blue. What is considered the opposite of blue......... You guessed it, Red.

I would have actually said Green

He said that he's not criticising your work, he's talking about people's idea of mirror universe ships in general.

Quoted for Truth

 

[Ryan]

I would have actually said Green

Using a painting colour wheel I'd say it would be orange, although the light sepectrum (RGB) would say Yellow.

 

[Syf]

Well, Here's a sample of the Federation and Terran nacelle glows with a light chart.

As you can see, no, they are not 100% opposites. However Since they are within 10% accuracy, they are close enough to make Myself happy. That being said, I'm not about to go back and redo the models or textures. Not for any reason. Majestic and myself are pleased with the outcome of our hundreds of hours worth of work.

I think it is best if we (all of us) think of this thread as a place to discuss Terran vessels in general, rather than those only in Yesteryears.

As for this question, when put in the Yesteryears section, it is directed to us, the modders of Yesteryears. If this is going to turn into a general discussion, Let's start a different thread in the proper location.

I myself am glad to be able to shed some light on the topic in relation to Yesteryears. I have not taken any offense. It would not be logical.

 

[Aerilon]

As for this question, when put in the Yesteryears section, it is directed to us, the modders of Yesteryears. If this is going to turn into a general discussion, Let's start a different thread in the proper location.

I myself am glad to be able to shed some light on the topic in relation to Yesteryears. I have not taken any offense. It would not be logical.

Well, if it is required, and there is a point to it, then we shall create a thread on the matter, but I think it has been sorted in this one to be totally honest.

 

[Excelsiors190]

This has been edited out by Syf.

 

[Syf]

Excelsiors190, Thank you for your questions. Sorry if your question was misinterpreted. Majestic is a bit under the weather right now. That, and the fact we have had to defend the decision of making the Terran glows red, along with the yellow decorations a few too much on other sites. So put that all into light, and that makes for us seeming a bit defensive. I hope that my explainations have proven enlightening for you.

As a general note to all: We do welcome all questions regarding the mod. But once we've addressed the question/issue, that's all we have time for. Majestic and I are both putting a whole lot of hours (thousands) into making this mod. Unlike other mods, we have been doing a lot of "figuring out what the fans want". But there is a limit to what we can do to please the fans. As with anything media wise, there are always going to be differences of opinions between the makers of a movie/show/game, or mod/ and those that would like/watch/or play it in the end. So, ask all the questions you want. Make all the suggestions you want. We are doing our best to make an enjoyable mod and we do take each suggestion/question into consideration. Some things are not going to make everyone happy. That can never happen as there is no such thing as a perfect world. So, in the end, all we can say is we did our best and we hope you enjoy it as at least as much, if not more than any other mod.

Spoiler: secret about this mod

Majestic and I both are doing this and a couple other mods as our last major contribution to the Armada community. After that, we are done with working with other company's games.

 

[Majestic]

if majest thinks i am criticizing his work then he is being chieldish

Watch it. Incase you have forgotten I do run the site and have the powers to stop people from saying things like that about people. Also the name is Majestic not Majest.

Did I ever say it was you? No I didn't. I was referring to people over at A2files. I do not appreciate people putting words into my mouth. As Syf has said I have just gotten tired of defending Yesteryears from people who aren't happy one way or another in the direction the mod is going.

I am also extremely ill with a respiratory infection at the moment, dealing with that, still going to work, and also finishing up at work and all the bull that goes with that has taken it's toll on me.

Then there are people at all sides sending me PM's asking for this and that out of the mod and asking if I can post things up in the RPG's which I haven't even had a chance to get to yet.

To tell you all the truth I have been extremely close this week in just dropping everything and saying thats enough and taking a much needed break, which I haven't had since my last holiday back in 2002.

Also nothing personal but please use a spell check before posting your posts. Otherwise I will be forced to delete them due to their bad spelling and grammar.

 

[Aerilon]

if majest thinks i am criticizing his work then he is being chieldish i was just pointing out the frustration that people have with the mirror universe color's and our universe.

why do people make the section 31 ships look like Terran ships also section 31 never had ships just operatives i think

To my knowledge, Section 31 have never had any ships released that look like the Mirror Universe Ships. As for them having ships on Trek, I don't believe they do. They work in and around those ships already in operation.

As a general note to all: We do welcome all questions regarding the mod. But once we've addressed the question/issue, that's all we have time for. Majestic and I are both putting a whole lot of hours (thousands) into making this mod. Unlike other mods, we have been doing a lot of "figuring out what the fans want". But there is a limit to what we can do to please the fans. As with anything media wise, there are always going to be differences of opinions between the makers of a movie/show/game, or mod/ and those that would like/watch/or play it in the end. So, ask all the questions you want. Make all the suggestions you want. We are doing our best to make an enjoyable mod and we do take each suggestion/question into consideration. Some things are not going to make everyone happy. That can never happen as there is no such thing as a perfect world. So, in the end, all we can say is we did our best and we hope you enjoy it as at least as much, if not more than any other mod.

Quoted simply because it makes a good post.

Spoiler: hidden

Majestic and I both are doing this and a couple other mods as our last major contribution to the Armada community. After that, we are done with working with other company's games.

You are then to go on to Red Ash, correct?

Watch it. Incase you have forgotten I do run the site and have the powers to stop people from saying things like that about people. Also the name is Majestic not Majest.

No offense Majestic / Majest (you use the one of GF if I reall) but aren't you.. jumping the gun a little? Appeared quite hostile there.

I don't mean to stick my nose in, but there really isn't any need to threaten anyone with a ban is there?

To tell you all the truth I have been extremely close this week in just dropping everything and saying thats enough and taking a much needed break, which I haven't had since my last holiday back in 2002.

If things are that strenuous, especially with Yesteryears, why don't you take a week off?

Also nothing personal but please use a spell check before posting your posts. Otherwise I will be forced to delete them due to their bad spelling and grammar.

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[Excelsiors190]

!!

This account has been breached by a non-authorized person. I have dealt with the matter.

Warning issued by Syf. Guard your account access better next time.

 

[Syf]

Everyone, This has gone on long enough! As it looks to me, this thread is WAY off topic, and turning into a potental Flaming issue. I will not Tolerate that at all.

Tycoon - As a fellow Staffer (but on a different site), I'm sure you understand my stance here. Let's keep it real, not a real pain.

I'm now putting this thread on a general notice, anymore off topic posts, and this thread will be locked. I am watching it closely.

 

[Excelsiors190]

sorry

I apologize to everyone my bratty cousin upset. He has the irritating habit of looking at my saved emails and getting the passwords of them:x :x He has a thing for trying to get mine and his sisters online account lives ruined by upsetting others then demands an apology. I read the thread. The first question i wrote. The one that speaks about majestic being childish was edited by him. The original one never was insulting, upsetting, or mean to Majestic. Again I apologize to you all. My cousin wont be using my computer ever again.

This may look like I am lying but I ain't. I was on holiday for 2 weeks. I let him look after my pets and I was going to give him £10. But I ain't now.