The Shout Thread

[CrazyFrog1903]

I don't mean just human races. Since human is a race. It could be any alien race in Trek. Diversity is good but you don't have to have one of each type of orientation, gender, and race to make it diverse. They did show in DS9 a complete Vulcan crew.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

I don't mean just human races. Since human is a race. It could be any alien race in Trek. Diversity is good but you don't have to have one of each type of orientation, gender, and race to make it diverse. They did show in DS9 a complete Vulcan crew.

I'm hoping that the way they do aliens in Discovery will be more casual, where you see aliens in the background among the crew, but their non-human species isn't a big deal. I heard an interview with someone high in the discovery project say something along those lines, but idk if said person is even still involved or if anything has changed.

 

[CABAL]

I don't mean just human races. Since human is a race. It could be any alien race in Trek. Diversity is good but you don't have to have one of each type of orientation, gender, and race to make it diverse. They did show in DS9 a complete Vulcan crew.

Honestly, this level of species diversity does seem odd for as early in the timeline as Discovery is set. Solok's crew were outliers, of course, because he was a raging xenophobe and racist, but the 1701 Enterprise (is there a shorthand I don't know about that would make talking about that ship easier? even 'original Enterprise' could refer to the NX-01) had an almost exclusively human crew. I even thought that having Phlox on the NX-01 was odd and don't think they had sufficiently explained why there was a non-human doctor on a human owned and operated pseudo-military vessel, particularly since they didn't have many friends at the time. Having the crew become more diverse over time as the founding of the Federation drew closer would have been cool, though.

I'm hoping that the way they do aliens in Discovery will be more casual, where you see aliens in the background among the crew, but their non-human species isn't a big deal. I heard an interview with someone high in the discovery project say something along those lines, but idk if said person is even still involved or if anything has changed.

I do hope they're treated more as just 'ordinary people who aren't human' than some of the other series have done. Worf's character always came back to him being a Klingon, Ro's character always came back to her being a Bajoran, etc. Even B'Elanna's character heavily relied on internal conflict about being half Klingon and half human. At least make it so that everyone in the same species doesn't have more or less the same personality. The 'I sense death' guy doesn't give me all that much hope, though.

All that said, I'm hoping the show is better than the trailer made it seem. Trailers tend to not be all that representative anyway, so the odds aren't terrible.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

The 'I sense death' guy doesn't give me all that much hope, though.

Agreed. There's a difference between race/species and culture.

I'm also afraid they're going to do something to make Discovery's science officer stand out to highlight his lack of heterosexuality, to make sure he doesn't appear too "normal".

 

[CABAL]

Agreed. There's a difference between race/species and culture.

Exactly.

I'm also afraid they're going to do something to make Discovery's science officer stand out to highlight his lack of heterosexuality, to make sure he doesn't appear too "normal".

I wasn't even aware they had announced a gay character. I hope they handle him like they did Sisko. 'First black captain' sounds big, but he was really just written as a normal guy and happened to be played by a black actor. Alexander Siddig tried out for the role of Sisko at one point. That Sisko was black didn't come up at all until "Far Beyond the Stars" when he was dropped into the '50s. I can't help but think that all of his love interests also being black may have indicated something going on behind the scenes, though, probably from the network execs. They should at least have the characters not really care about it, like how it was never really brought up that Dax's ex that she's falling for again happens to have a host of the same sex as Dax's.

I suppose what I'm saying is that I want them to be a character who happens to be gay, like how Sisko happens to be black, not have the character be The Gay One the way Ro was The Bajoran One or Worf was The Klingon One.

 

[Chiletrek]

Last night there was a massive rain in my city (for the standards of a desertic city) having twice the ammount of water last night to what we usually get in a year

Also, we've got a city-wide blackout that also affected another city. Weather has been extremely weird.

 

[CABAL]

The new Xbox One model is the Xbox One X, not Scorpio. Anyone else think that instead of this rolling hardware release that Microsoft and Sony are doing they should have just done low, mid, and high performance versions of the hardware and gone with a longer generation? Basically they'd have the same models of Xbox One that they have now (basic, S, X) more or less, but they would have all been released simultaneously and stick around for seven years or so before making the Xbox 4 family or whatever. They could even phase out the lower one and release an ultra-high-end model over time. As it is, they just keep coming out with newer and better models and it just makes me want to wait for the best one so I'm not interested in buying one now. They seem to think people will buy an XB1, then buy a nicer XB1 every year or two. And Sony's not doing much better.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

They seem to think people will buy an XB1, then buy a nicer XB1 every year or two. And Sony's not doing much better.

This idea's worked beautifully for Apple...

 

[CABAL]

This idea's worked beautifully for Apple...

They have deals for people who already have the iPhone X and want to get the iPhone X+1, though, so most people only pay full price for the first phone. Microsoft and Sony aren't doing that with the XB1 or PS4.

 

[Chiletrek]

After many months (darned job and darned old-pc that exploded) I reinstalled FleetOps! ... now Ineed to re-learn how to mod .

 

[dvatreknerd314]

now Ineed to re-learn how to mod .

Just hook yourself up to The Great Teacher and you'll be fine.

 

[Chiletrek]

Just hook yourself up to The Great Teacher and you'll be fine.

Hello:
Would it be bad to ask who is the Great Teacher? And I know Apoclaydon/Blade would be helping me too .

 

[dvatreknerd314]

Hello:
Would it be bad to ask who is the Great Teacher? And I know Apoclaydon/Blade would be helping me too .

Try re-watching "Spocks Brain"

 

[CrazyFrog1903]

Everyone should check out the thread I created in this section about an app I created. I would like some feedback on it. It is build in html, CSS, and JavaScript.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

Picking up a chronal distortion. There's an anomaly up your ass!

 

[Chiletrek]

Picking up a chronal distortion. There's an anomaly up your ass!View attachment 14170

OMGWTFBBQ!

 

[CABAL]

These two comments somehow made me conclude that the first commercial use for a chroniton projector would be to age foods as one of the steps in factory production instead of having them sit in a special warehouse for a few years.

 

[SciFiFan]

These two comments somehow made me conclude that the first commercial use for a chroniton projector would be to age foods as one of the steps in factory production instead of having them sit in a special warehouse for a few years.

Place your fruits and vegetables in temporal stasis and remove when you are ready to eat. Always enjoy fresh food.

 

[CABAL]

Place your fruits and vegetables in temporal stasis and remove when you are ready to eat. Always enjoy fresh food.

Oooh, that's a good idea, too. Cut down on warehouse space by doing things like aging wine as it's being bottled, and replace refrigerators with temporal stasis boxes so you never need to worry about your food going bad ever again.

 

[SciFiFan]

Today here in the US, we are celebrating Fathers' Day. So, to all my friends here on MSFC all around the world, Happy Fathers' Day to all who have stepped up to make a difference in a child's life.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

When you watch the one episode of TOS that you didn't know you'd skipped over and wish you hadn't watched it.

 

[kjc733]

Finally made the leap and have ordered a new PC...

 

[Hellkite]

Finally made the leap and have ordered a new PC...

It is the end of the world !!!!!

 

[CABAL]

So apparently the directors for the Han Solo movie dropped out with just three weeks of filming left.

 

[Hellkite]

That is never a good sign

 

[SciFiFan]

I had seen something that the studio was unhappy claiming the movie was being made too funny.

 

[Archonon]

I don't think that it was necessary to alter Sulu's sexual orientation merely for the purpose of inclusiveness, that said, it didn't bother me on any level either. It's not as if they had altered Kirk, whose womanizing is deeply embedded into his personality both as a strength and character flaw.

I think that the new Trek movies are some of the most interesting and exciting creations that Trek has ever done. No offense to anyone that dislikes the new flicks, I respect your opinion but I feel many fans are not open minded enough when it comes to experimenting with something new, they want exactly the same thing they have been getting for decades and then complain because everything is the same and stale. Especially given that even the 2009 film points out that the "Kelvin Timeline" is an alternate reality, it is not a replacement of the original Prime universe. It's not like the butchery Kathleen Kennedy did to the Star Wars universe with Episode 7, that one I would slap JJ across the head for.

I also am excited that the new movies actually make the Original Series timeline look futuristic, an evolution of what was shown on the Enterprise series. Good God, the things I hear people complain about...Khan's resurrection blood, too comedic, too many space flares, not enough depth? Really?

As if regular Trek wasn't filled with these. Regular Trek gave us a damn space alien that can alter time/matter/reality on a whim (Q) just because, Vulcans transplanting their souls into other specie's bodies which can then be reunited to resurrection by a ritual on a mountaintop (ST3), episodes entirely dedicated to a cast playing a baseball match against a crew of Vulcans, a damn holographic lounge lizard pursued by holographic mobsters, anything Ferengi related and the asenscion of a human into another species' pantheon of gods (DS9), episodes about a robot's cat, crew members morphed into children, playing robin hood in the holodeck and holographic criminals becoming "real" and taking over the ship (TNG). Need I go on?

I am wary about the new show. This is allegedly the Prime Universe and yet they are 10 years away from TOS and have completely different uniforms and tech from TOS. I dislike many of the choices I have seen behind the scenes, not to mention that ship itself. I dislike the Discovery's design a lot and it certainly does not look like it fits with TOS designs (The Constitution Class is already in service for decades at the point of the new series). Aside from that thanks to their decision to stream the series only, I'm not going to even see the show until it's out on Blu Ray (If reviews make me feel it's worth it).

 

[Terra_Inc]

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I think that the new Trek movies are some of the most interesting and exciting creations that Trek has ever done. No offense to anyone that dislikes the new flicks, I respect your opinion but I feel many fans are not open minded enough when it comes to experimenting with something new, they want exactly the same thing they have been getting for decades and then complain because everything is the same and stale. Especially given that even the 2009 film points out that the "Kelvin Timeline" is an alternate reality, it is not a replacement of the original Prime universe. It's not like the butchery Kathleen Kennedy did to the Star Wars universe with Episode 7, that one I would slap JJ across the head for.

I also am excited that the new movies actually make the Original Series timeline look futuristic, an evolution of what was shown on the Enterprise series. Good God, the things I hear people complain about...Khan's resurrection blood, too comedic, too many space flares, not enough depth? Really?

Yeah, I think that's kind of the central point of the debate. The new movies go into a different direction, which some people just don't like. I myself think they're okay. I don't actually mind the futuristic look - in my opinion, they could have gone even farther with updating the franchise. Also, I maybe would have preferred it if they just made a clean cut and said "this is a reboot, everything is new" instead of this backdoor alternative universe approach. Despite being an alternative universe movie, it's still very much concerned with Prime Universe matters.

I'm surprised to hear you didn't enjoy Episode 7. I haven't seen it myself, but most people I've talked to thus far seemed to like it. What did they do wrong in your opinion?

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I am wary about the new show. This is allegedly the Prime Universe and yet they are 10 years away from TOS and have completely different uniforms and tech from TOS. I dislike many of the choices I have seen behind the scenes, not to mention that ship itself. I dislike the Discovery's design a lot and it certainly does not look like it fits with TOS designs (The Constitution Class is already in service for decades at the point of the new series). Aside from that thanks to their decision to stream the series only, I'm not going to even see the show until it's out on Blu Ray (If reviews make me feel it's worth it).

Yeah, I'm not sure it'll be a success. Apart from the whole streaming only thing (which, to be fair, is probably not going to affect us non-US folks), it looks like it repeats the mistakes that Enterprise made. I'll probably end up watching it anyway when it shows up on German TV channels.

This brings up one of my major problems with a lot of popular SciFi right now. Doug Drexler, on the topic of the Enterprise-J stats, said that people really don't think far enough. It's a 26th century ship for crying out loud, speculating about how fast it is is really missing the point. If you have the time, please do watch the Trekyards episode on the J he was in - it's really worth it. The kind of technological advancement he's talking about in that video is what I want to see from a SciFi show in the 21st century, not rehashed ideas from the 60s or 80s.

 

[dvatreknerd314]

I just now realized the two Constitution variants freely available in STO don't have shuttle bays...

 

[Archonon]

Yeah, I think that's kind of the central point of the debate. The new movies go into a different direction, which some people just don't like. I myself think they're okay. I don't actually mind the futuristic look - in my opinion, they could have gone even farther with updating the franchise. Also, I maybe would have preferred it if they just made a clean cut and said "this is a reboot, everything is new" instead of this backdoor alternative universe approach. Despite being an alternative universe movie, it's still very much concerned with Prime Universe matters.

Yeah, I understand, if we all had exactly the same interests it would be quite a dull world right? Ha.

I think they decided to not specifically make them a reboot precisely so the fans of the original series [TOS-ENT] wouldn't feel like their Trek was being replaced. The new timeline is a companion to the originals, kind of like the universes seen in "Parallels" or "Mirror, Mirror".

The technology seen in the AR universe is pretty advanced by TOS standards, much of it having been a result of the scans the Kelvin did on the Narada, among other changes (Starfleet's more militaristic approach).

You are totally right Terrra, it still is concerned with Prim Universe matters, the difference is how they are presented and how they play out. The AR still has its own course to set, which is something I very much would love to continue seeing. This is a timeline that will not end up with Kirk sucker killed on Veridian 3 by Soran, Soran might not even exist in this timeline and that is very hopeful to me.

I'm surprised to hear you didn't enjoy Episode 7. I haven't seen it myself, but most people I've talked to thus far seemed to like it. What did they do wrong in your opinion?

That's a very long list for me. I'm very passionate about Star Wars, I was born just 2 or so months after A New Hope was released in theaters. I could begin listing all of the things I really dislike about it but a good deal of it would involve spoilers. Since you said you have not seen the movie, I would not want to sour your experience, should you want to see it and judge it for yourself.

Suffice it to say, I really dislike most of the new characters, I hate that the film is a collected greatest hits of story beats of the events of the Original Trilogy, many narrative decisions, changes they made to the Force, and the fact that the new movie invalidates everything that occurred in the OT. Unlike Rogue One, which for the most part, respected the original source material and used it to flesh out the universe more and craft its own story and its own identity, Episode 7 was pandering, it is the OT compacted into a single film with renamed characters and personalities reshuffled at an attempt to claim that this isn't a carbon copy.

Episode 7 should have been far, far away from the Lucas films. They had the opportunity to mine for so many stories, so many timelines, instead they beat a dead horse and change things. Like the new Solo movie, where they claim you will see how Han "got his name"...cause it just couldn't be that he was just named Han Solo. Ugh. We could have seen the great Sith war that prompted the formation of the Old Republic, moved ahead hundreds of years after Return of the Jedi and seen something completely different and new or gone back to the founding of the Order. So much potential, wasted, cause we needed to have nostalgia serviced and "fix" what the prequels "ruined". Yeah, big fix.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. Back to Trek!

I'm so far behind on ST Online, I don't even remember where I am in that game. I think I have a Connie Refit. But I haven't played in over six months. Is there new content for ST online?